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Finally found some US thoughts on Game

Eelectrica

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Link: http://www.thetriangle.org/news/820700.html

It's a fairly long article, but the reviewer was very impressed and believes the game could catch on in America!
The only small complaint I have about the article is that author still called it Rugby. IE. no differentiation for those in America unaware that the 'Rugby' code is split.
 

NPK

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I agree - good article, except for not saying the actual sport's name.
 

Eelectrica

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I swear a lot of problems would have been alleviated if, when the game split they simply called the game leagby (or something) instead of 'rugby league' ;-)
 

DIEHARD

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The solution is simple.

The complete and total extermination of the inferior Rugby, Rugby Union.
 

Hurriflatch

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I'd prefer a following of 25 million Yanks calling it Rugby then
2500 yanks calling it Rugby League
 

DIEHARD

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Rugby comes to Franklin Field with double-header

By Mark Gress Jr.
Published: Friday, December 3, 2004

The first time I was introduced to rugby was about 10 years ago when I watched the movie "Necessary Roughness." Interestingly and coincidentally enough, the movie is about American Football. One of the players, "McKenzie," was dubbed the "little Australian Rugger" by the PA announcer. That was my very first exposure to rugby. This character was, as expected, as a former rugby player, very gritty. He was willing to do anything to play and to win.

Needless to say, that grit and that moxy that the rugby-turned-football player exhibited was everything I saw Nov. 30 at Franklin Field.

I saw two rugby matches, the first of which was between the Coogee Dolphins and the Glen Mills Bulls. This "under card" was my first official, live experience to the sport of rugby. What did I witness? Harder hits than anything I have ever seen in the NFL, a faster paced game than any NHL or MLS contest, and comparable skill, speed, strength, and athleticism to any sport played in America.

You think I took one too many sips of grandma's cough syrup? Oh no, I am clean as a whistle. This is no joke. It is so much like American football that it should catch on here in the US. The hitting is the same, if not better. The ball is the same, just bigger.

You know we Americans tout the "bigger is better" mantra all the time. The differences can be overlooked because the game of rugby flows so well and without any hitches. There are no forward passes, no blocking, and they have 5 downs instead of 4. Too crazy for you? Come on, this is the country that embraced prefessional wrestling for decades.

Am I not speaking your language?

No?

OK, well then it is pretty much a combination of football, soccer, hockey, and wrestling. There are hard hits, long runs, a fair amount of kicking, tackling, passing and one thing we love here in America: violence. That sounds barbaric but within the context of sport, I consider it fine and dandy.

"Footie" as they call it in the land down under, also institutes a rule similar to what some of us have used in street basketball: "make-it, take-it" or "winners out".

Basically, if you score, you get the ball back. This concept is unheard of in any organized sport, which adds to the uniqueness of rugby.

Those things, in conjunction with some solid marketing by the AMNRL and Drexel's Sport Management Students, brought the crowds to Franklin Field. Rugby fans and non-fans alike came to see the top level of rugby in the world and through that, one of the best teams in the world in Australia.

The USA ruggers were heavy underdogs coming into this contest. Their players certainly have the abilities and experience as shown in their 24-6 lead after two quarters of play over Australia. They pounded the jet-lagged Aussies until the third and fourth quarters when the Kangaroos had pretty much wrapped things up after reeling off 30 straight points to finish off the Tomahawks 36-24.

Regardless of who won or loss or the final score, we should take away a few significant things from this event. First, the heads and organizers from the AMNRL should be commended. They brought rugby to Philadelphia and made it work. They made it a point to honor those lost from the Coogee Dolphins squad in the bombings in Bali. They put on a very memorable show. Second, the USA team is pretty damn good. Sure they lost, but they hung around with the Aussies and gave them a fight. Finally, I see no reason why rugby shouldn't take in the US.

We pushed baseball to the side because the games move too slowly and sometimes take up to four hours to complete. Hockey pushed itself to the side with the lockout, plus it is a Canadian sport.

Soccer's lack of contact and hitting pushed itself away from a TV following. The lack of talent and ability helped push the NBA to the back of our minds.

The number one sport organization in America, the NFL, contains or encompasses none of the above.

Ditto for rugby.

Sure it may take time for the terminology to stick or the uniforms (or lack there of) to grow on us, but why not rugby? Why not here?

Sorry. Bad answer. "Try" again.

Just for everyone's viewing benifit.

A million thank yous to Eelectrica for digging this up for us!
 

Eelectrica

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Diehard said:
A million thank yous to Eelectrica for digging this up for us!
My pleasure mate.

Hurriflatch said:
This writer also did a preview piece for the match aswell.
Yep, that's how I found this, through a link on one of Roopy's posts. So thanks to Roopy for getting this thing started 8)
 

DIEHARD

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Good work team. ;-)

He offers a very positive view of the potentional of Rugby League, one we agree with but we know the Americans can think very differently. It is good to see at least one of them seeing things our way and appreciating our sport for the merits we embrace it.
 

Razor

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Eelectrica said:
I swear a lot of problems would have been alleviated if, when the game split they simply called the game leagby (or something) instead of 'rugby league' ;-)

Australia and NZ wanted a completely different name when League started off here. But the British and the French over-ruled Australia, so we were stuck with the name.
 

t-ba

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The name issue will haunt us. In Britian, new RU clubs are exhuming the old names of long past 'rugby' clubs and claiming the history of RL clubs as their own.

imo, the code had a real chance in the 1950's to adopt the term 'trieze'. Certainly more distinctive than league.

Our product is better, and we WILL win.
 

DIEHARD

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May the best rugby win.

That is us. :D

I love RUGBY league and would never ever want to change the name. We are what rugby is all about. Running and ball handling.
 

NPK

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Yep, I find union a very negative sport..so many goals and not enough tries. Whenever they get the ball in bad field position, they kick the ball out on the full deliberately - they are scared of making a mistake and it is all very negative.
 

ruggabugga

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NPK,

It is not that they are scared of making a mistake, it is they are aware of the consequences of a mistake. Ask Lote, Dell or Rogers how they feel taking a bomb in RUGBY against how they felt in league. It is simply a matter of choices and consequences...In League if U get in trouble at the back, then take the tackle and retain possession, in RUGBY if you take the the tackle under the same circumstances then you turnover possession and look like a goose.
Mate, play both games ( I have) and you will appreciate the differences and understand the strengths of BOTH games. ie........losing possession in League is naughty....losing possession in Rugby is criminal. :idea:
 

Charge

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ruggabugga said:
NPK,

It is not that they are scared of making a mistake, it is they are aware of the consequences of a mistake. Ask Lote, Dell or Rogers how they feel taking a bomb in RUGBY against how they felt in league. It is simply a matter of choices and consequences...In League if U get in trouble at the back, then take the tackle and retain possession, in RUGBY if you take the the tackle under the same circumstances then you turnover possession and look like a goose.
Mate, play both games ( I have) and you will appreciate the differences and understand the strengths of BOTH games. ie........losing possession in League is naughty....losing possession in Rugby is criminal. :idea:

You are right, but it is one of the reasons why I prefer league. In union posession is everything so you don't take the risks, eg you can't make a break in risk of running away from your forwards. In league you can without getting punished if you don't make it all the way to the line. :)
 

screeny

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be quiet ruggabugga, your code's shite and you know it.

I came in yesterday and watched a bit of Castres v Munster. I watched from 70th minute to end of game (with ET 85 mins) and the ball passed out to the backs (other than a kick by the 10 or 15) exactly twice, both by Munster in the last seconds when they needed a try to equalise.

I could not believe how boring it was. If you think I'm exaggerating watch it, I'm not.

As for our name, we're rugby league and we should proudly stick to it. We have decades of heritage to protect.
 

In-goal

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France had nothing to do with the name of Rugby League and nor did the Brittish, If you would check your history books you will see that the game was reffered to as Northern Union/Rugby in this period.

ps the French didn't even take the game up until the 30's
 

Balmainia

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even on the AMNRL site it refers to it just as Rugby rather than rugby league

Only place that is really done is in the heading.
 

Razor

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In-goal said:
France had nothing to do with the name of Rugby League and nor did the Brittish, If you would check your history books you will see that the game was reffered to as Northern Union/Rugby in this period.

ps the French didn't even take the game up until the 30's

Yes and in 1934 the 4 countries - England, France, Australia, NZ had a meeting to discuss the name. ENgland & France wanted Rugby League, Australia and NZ wanted a different name.
 
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