Former Panthers in the NRL

[jane the pain]

Ivan talked shit about an employee's future career prospects in the media.

The club deserves whatever Luai serves back.

That wasn't a insult.

 

[Iamback]

Not showing up to training?

Ivan and the club aren't above criticism but when players don't show up its a new scenario. Deserving or not that isn't how we are going to run things here.

Luai is a grown up.

IF he is pissed off. Then speak to him not hide behind your manager.

That is the one for me... not to mention he was training ok UNTIL he decided to leave

 

[Iamback]

Ivan talked shit about an employee's future career prospects in the media.

The club deserves whatever Luai serves back.

Yet he was training up until this week. So what has changed?

 

[martielang]

Tigers probably offering him $400k more for this season alone. I'd be down with COVID for a month if I was Luai.

Agree with @Munky, Ivans comments were short-sighted and missed the mark regardless of his intentions.

 

[Iamback]

Tigers probably offering him $400k more for this season alone. I'd be down with COVID for a month if I was Luai.

Agree with @Munky, Ivans comments were short-sighted and missed the mark regardless of his intentions.

The issue isn't whether the comments were bad.

The question is what changed since he came back?

 

[martielang]

The issue isn't whether the comments were bad.

The question is what changed since he came back?

Money money money money moneyyy

 

[ColdWetPanther]

Ivan talked shit about an employee's future career prospects in the media.

The club deserves whatever Luai serves back.

I’ve said it before, I love Ivan but that was super unprofessional.

 

[Kilkenny]

I’ve said it before, I love Ivan but that was super unprofessional.

I’ve read the transcript of exactly what Ivan said on more than one occasion. Many more.

It really isn’t that bad. He was asked the question, he gave an honest answer, more just pointing out the obvious, which many on here and in the media acknowledge as being basically a fact.

He simply pointed out Jerome other than with Samoa hasn’t been required to fulfil a central playmaking role and given the money involved there would be risks.

Should he not have answered the question, or given a politically correct non answer.

When pressed on whether Jerome could be a central playmaker his response was “I’m sure he could.”

Is $1M or more for Jerome across five seasons to be your central playmaker a ‘risk’. Absolutely.

If Nathan Cleary signed with the Roosters tomorrow, would you be comfortable giving Jerome a five year deal to take over as our central playmaker on the same money.

Ivan is refreshing in the coaching ranks for his press conferences, his honesty and I don’t see his response was anywhere near as bad or unprofessional as few make out.

 

[MugaB]

I’ve read the transcript of exactly what Ivan said on more than one occasion. Many more.

It really isn’t that bad. He was asked the question, he gave an honest answer, more just pointing out the obvious, which many on here and in the media acknowledge as being basically a fact.

He simply pointed out Jerome other than with Samoa hasn’t been required to fulfil a central playmaking role and given the money involved there would be risks.

Should he not have answered the question, or given a politically correct non answer.

When pressed on whether Jerome could be a central playmaker his response was “I’m sure he could.”

Is $1M or more for Jerome across five seasons to be your central playmaker a ‘risk’. Absolutely.

If Nathan Cleary signed with the Roosters tomorrow, would you be comfortable giving Jerome a five year deal to take over as our central playmaker on the same money.

Ivan is refreshing in the coaching ranks for his press conferences, his honesty and I don’t see his response was anywhere near as bad or unprofessional as few make out.

Everyone interpretates Ivans comments the way they want to hear it especially those from WT, i cannot believe the shit theyve come up with, its gone from a nothing comment to "well, if he wasn't playing along my son, he'd be nothing"

 

[Westernised Panther]

“Is he ready for that? That’s a question mark I would think,” Cleary said.

“Can he do it? I’m sure he could do it. Has he done it? He hasn’t really. In this team he has his role to play. That’s a risk everyone would have to take.”

^ This is exactly what Ivan said verbatim, according to the reports. Breaking it down, it isn’t as frosty as people believe.

 

[ColdWetPanther]

“Is he ready for that? That’s a question mark I would think,” Cleary said.

“Can he do it? I’m sure he could do it. Has he done it? He hasn’t really. In this team he has his role to play. That’s a risk everyone would have to take.”

^ This is exactly what Ivan said verbatim, according to the reports. Breaking it down, it isn’t as frosty as people believe.

My point is it isn’t frosty or personal attack; in other parts of the same interview he talks about how important Jarome is/affection etc.

But ultimately Jarome was in the market negotiating contracts and having your current employer in that context publically questioning your worth is unprofessional.

He shouldn’t have answered the questions. There are plenty of times when Cleary lets a question go, and he should have in this occasion.

Do I think it will cause a big issue; no. It seems like it hasn’t impacted Luai’s contract (which it really shouldn’t; in fact, given how twisted the Tiger’s are about Cleary it might have actually pushed his value up) but that doesn’t mean that Ivan should have done it.

 

[jane the pain]

Everyone interpretates Ivans comments the way they want to hear it especially those from WT, i cannot believe the shit theyve come up with, its gone from a nothing comment to "well, if he wasn't playing along my son, he'd be nothing"

And Luai himself. Imo he misinterpreted them.

 

[MugaB]

Do I think it will cause a big issue; no. It seems like it hasn’t impacted Luai’s contract (which it really shouldn’t; in fact, given how twisted the Tiger’s are about Cleary it might have actually pushed his value up) but that doesn’t mean that Ivan should have done it.

I think this is EXACTLY why he said it, he didn't have to, and it did push his value up, the tigers wanted him more after those comments, so much so they ended up tabling a massive offer some weeks later..
Ivan still hates on the tigers, you'd think he'd be over it, but we all saw his pisstake on WT beating us in Bathurst at the Merv C Medal night, he wasn’t just dirty, he was filthy..
The fact Romy replied with his "know your worth" social media jab, from the outside you'd think wow is this how they treat each other, but it was more like a pisstake, basically laughing at both the media and WT, ...hook, line, sinker

 

[MugaB]

And Luai himself. Imo he misinterpreted them.

Absolute bullshịt, jerome isn't dumb, those looking for drama generally find it

 

[Old and Disgruntled]

Absolute bullshịt, jerome isn't dumb, those looking for drama generally find it

Jerome is one of the biggest sledgers on the football field, as well not backward in coming forward on social media.
And now the thick skinned Jerome gets a poke in the ribs, all of a sudden the skin turns to gladwrap.
"Live by the Sword" Jerome.

 

[Fangs]

If Ivan had his time over he wouldn't have said it. He is still learning.

If Fletcher had his time over he would have said it and more. He can't help himself.

 

[jane the pain]

Absolute bullshịt, jerome isn't dumb, those looking for drama generally find it

Then why did he felt the need to tweet what he did then?

 

[jane the pain]

I think this is EXACTLY why he said it, he didn't have to, and it did push his value up, the tigers wanted him more after those comments, so much so they ended up tabling a massive offer some weeks later..
Ivan still hates on the tigers, you'd think he'd be over it, but we all saw his pisstake on WT beating us in Bathurst at the Merv C Medal night, he wasn’t just dirty, he was filthy..
The fact Romy replied with his "know your worth" social media jab, from the outside you'd think wow is this how they treat each other, but it was more like a pisstake, basically laughing at both the media and WT, ...hook, line, sinker

Ok, you convinced me, I'm wrong.

 

[murraymob]

The issue isn't whether the comments were bad.

The question is what changed since he came back?

I am hearing a bit of cold feet .While the money is to good to turn down he still is torn

 

[Pomoz]

I am hearing a bit of cold feet .While the money is to good to turn down he still is torn

Of course, he grew up with the team. They are a brotherhood.

He will have 1m more after tax after five years. One more house and quite possibly a horrible five years of turmoil. Take the three year deal and go to the market then. Not as much money, but still a wonderful living doing what you love.