Forward passes

[SBD82]

The point that really stands out for me in all of this is that the reasoning given for the video ref not being able to rule on forward passes seems at odds with the forward pass rule.

My understanding (happy for someone to fix this for me if it's wrong) is that the ref can't rule on forward passes because camera angles can be misleading with relation to the way the ball is traveling. But if the rule is about the way that the ball comes out of the hands, surely determining that the hands were facing backwards is no different to ruling on a knock on.

 

[GongPanther]

Only when a team lose do they use that as a reason to cry about.

As long as it's the only reason to have a whinge if one's team does lose...

 

[kdalymc]

Jimmy the jet to Nikorima....

 

[Card Shark]

A thousand sideline eyes sitting stationary will always have the advantage over linesmen trying to keep up while players block their view, expecting them to get forward passes right is like expecting players not to get passes wrong.

If the video ref can clearly distinguish that a player throws a pass while the receiver is in front of him, in the same way as offside is adjudicated from a kick let them grow enough balls to say so

Most dummy half passes are thrown with the player stationary which negates all the arguments in this thread.

Touchies should be in line with the ruck & call the forward passes easily.

 

[Card Shark]

So I'm very interested to know what all you experts think of the Tom Trbojevic pass from last night. Forward or good?

Back

The person throwing the ball is very fast - they don't call him Turbo for nothing. I'd say he was running (at least) at 7 metres per second (about 14 seconds to run 100m).

The ball landed 5m in front of where it was thrown & was in the air for a bit over a second.

Therefore it was thrown backwards relative to the fast running passer.

 

[Vee]

Has there ever been an instance where a try has been "scored" where a player has thrown a ball from the field of play and the support player catches the ball in goal a metre in front of the ball thrower?

If so, was it deemed a forward pass?

If a forward pass was called, all you with your "backwards out of the hands" and "it drifted forward" arguments can go take a hike.

All I can say is that any pass thrown that is propelled forward of parallel to any cross field line is forward.

FORWARD! Got it yet?

No, no, no, no, NO!

 

[Vee]

What game is that?

American "football"?

Onion?

 

[POPEYE]

Most dummy half passes are thrown with the player stationary which negates all the arguments in this thread.

Touchies should be in line with the ruck & call the forward passes easily.

Does this thread include dummy half passes . . . I'll have to put the other kettle on

 

[T-Boon]

Has there ever been an instance where a try has been "scored" where a player has thrown a ball from the field of play and the support player catches the ball in goal a metre in front of the ball thrower?

There is an example of that in the recent Touch Footy trans tasman highlights on Youtube. (ps: these are must see for fans of football passing skills).

If so, was it deemed a forward pass?

No, it was deemed a touch down (try).

Touch Footy is very lax on forward passes from dummy half. The rule seems to be "who cares?". But I think that is because the sport is a bit like basketball in the sense that they don't fuss too much about defending hard a long way out from the "red zone" (the full court press is a thing of the past).

As Rugby League is all about trying to establish field position and pressure (i.e. the full court press is still in fashion) they should be much harder on passes out of dummy half than Touch Footy is. If a runner in hit up mode mistimes his hit up and the dummy half still passes to him the advantage they get is huge (momentum, metres, etc). It is also just an ugly look for the game.

 

[wibble]

Back

The person throwing the ball is very fast - they don't call him Turbo for nothing. I'd say he was running (at least) at 7 metres per second (about 14 seconds to run 100m).

The ball landed 5m in front of where it was thrown & was in the air for a bit over a second.

Therefore it was thrown backwards relative to the fast running passer.

At risk of adding fuel to the opposition fire, I agree. Everyone on "TV" is blowing up about this one, and I think the referees got it spot on. I didn't agree live, but rewatching it, noting Trbojevic and the catcher and their speeds, I think it went "backwards" according to the rules.

Trbojevic is certainly running at least 7 m/s, and stays in front of the ball the whole time, and the catcher stays behind Trbojevic the whole time. It's just because it went over a line (a fair bit) that people are blowing up.

 

[Nice Beaver]

At risk of adding fuel to the opposition fire, I agree. Everyone on "TV" is blowing up about this one, and I think the referees got it spot on. I didn't agree live, but rewatching it, noting Trbojevic and the catcher and their speeds, I think it went "backwards" according to the rules.

Trbojevic is certainly running at least 7 m/s, and stays in front of the ball the whole time, and the catcher stays behind Trbojevic the whole time. It's just because it went over a line (a fair bit) that people are blowing up.

Its quite simple physics really.

But those of us arguing its backwards are pushing shit uphill here.

 

[Amin Yashed]

Onion?

Fuseballs for the devil Bobby

 

[POPEYE]

Its quite simple physics really.

But those of us arguing its backwards are pushing shit uphill here.

If the bloke passing the ball can stay in front of the ball at ALL times it makes it right . . . judging the procedure is the difficult part. . . its mostly in the eye of the beholder

 

[Penrose Warrior]

What do touch judges actually do these days apart from run like gimps up and down for 80 mins

 

[Card Shark]

Tell the ref "I'm not sure if it's a try, so go to the video so we get our free KFC."

 

[POPEYE]

Tell the ref "I'm not sure if it's a try, so go to the video so we get our free KFC."

KFC alone should pay the increase in the cap, Klein and others would be dumb to not have shares