Furner should be SACKED

[shear_joy9]

david furner coaching record:
28 games
10 wins
18 losses
= 35.71%

I've seen nothing from his short coaching career that gives me hope that he can direct the team to become a premiership contender.

- in almost every one of the games the team has only competed for one half of football
- mind boggling team selections. Tongue at hooker...etc.
- players selected regardless of form. Mccrone, T. Thompson, Kelly etc.
- the most ridiculous interchange strategy in the nrl. Whether it be by players not given enough playing time, or in the case of thurling brought on in the final 20min. He's also made interchanges only minutes out from halftime which is strange to say the least.

 

[Raidersrawesome]

So who picks the coach that picks the players? Should we more be looking at him?

No we shouldn't blame anyone right,blame is not in the happy clappers repetoire right?
(TBH i don't know that you are are a HP per say, but that post has a definate smell to it);-)

As usual with any home game the opposition side was counting sheep,then Mr Tim Sheens say's hey boys it's the Raiders,they can't run with the big boys and there you have it.

I never thought we ever where gong to win it,this club fills me with NO confidence ATM.

If you're happy and you know it clap your hands. clap clap.
sorry.

I get disappionted with every loss as the next guy, the missus still hides the remote controls so they don't find a way of landing through the TV screen.
I dont think sacking Furner is the answer. I also dont think the loss to the Tigers was as bad as what everyone is making out to be. Now the Rooster and Warriors games last year were bad games. We turned up on the weekend our completeion rate was heaps better than previous weeks.

Stone , Henjak and Moore are coaches that are struggling as well. They are all inexperienced coaches too. Then there is Ricky who has won 1 game in 14 and he has a heap of FG coaching experience. If we go off certain theories then there should be a few unemployed coaches after last weekend.

 

[matt]

If this were any other industry, Furner would be walked to his desk to clear belongings then escorted out of the building.

:lol: I found this bit amusing,would he also have to hand over the keys to the company car,and If so would his brother drive him home?

 

[edabomb]

And the replacement is.......................

That's a tough one, but it should be noted that the Raiders didn't interview anyone when they hired Furner so it really is an unknown.

 

[Beavo]

Rather than quoting to each question, I'll summarise.

Firstly, I don't want to just sack the coach because we've missed out on some results (English Premier League style) I want to be rid of Furner because I think he's taking us steeply down hill.

Replacement
Not a straight forward call, but I don't think anyone in the current understudy crop is an obvious choice. Just putting it out there (crucify me, I don't care) but I'd throw some money at someone like Graham Murray, acting coach for the rest of the season (or for all of next season, as Furner won't be sent packing tomorrow) and have hime head a panel to help select the next full time coach. Then I would have Murray stay on for another season as a consultant/mentor (position varying depending on appointee's experience) to ensure everything runs as smoothly as possible.

Is who employs the coach the problem?
In a huge part, yes. The secretive board chaired by John McIntyre (the crux of our salary cap issue in the early 90's) and the Executive, leading with Don Furner Jr., were the one's that included a 'get out' clause in Neil Henry's (don't point at problems Henry has had with a developed side in Nth Qld, he did huge thing with the Raiders) contract. They were also the one's who were caught on the hop when Nathan Smith re-signed with Penrith after we had already signed him, our club didn't understand the counter-offer rules in place, quite embarrassing. I don't have confidence in McIntyre, he might love the Raiders, but he's not someone I trust running the club. When McIntyre says things like "my wife used to change David Furner's nappy's", it doesn't inspire confidence that I'm going to get what I want either.
But off that tangent, the coach is an issue that can be fixed, the board would be near-impossible, but the coach could be rid of.

If his bro wasn't CEO would I be quick to dismiss David?
Yes. He has, to this point, been a below average mentor. That his brother is CEO complicates things, when a job comes up and it isn't put out to tender (regardless of if someone has been nurtured for it) alarm bells ring.

Blaming the coach for players errors
What I'm seeing every week is; bad ball control, players trying to force risky passes, bad defence lines, impotent 5th tackle attacking options, I could go on. This was awful last year and it's got worse, the coach needs to fix this, get the players to stop taking stupid options, further develop and nurture to their strengths. Yes, I'm going to blame the coach when the same thing happens week in week out.

Thinking Furner was a genius in the first half against the Tigers?
I was excited about a few good tries and potent looking attack. But I was also looking at the Tigers and that they were hardly on their game to that point. Still in the first half, we weren't holding onto the ball, were offering overlap's and not putting the sword into them when we had the chance. I'm not the biggest optimist at times, but I could see where it was heading, just like against the Broncos when we managed to hold on.

We show promise/we're a premiership team in the making
I don't hold out much hope for that. We're directionless, we've got no half back (none that will be a premiership winner anyway) we've decayed so much since 2008 when there was so much promise. If we don't reverse this situation soon, a few seasons down the track, our big performers from today will be gone, our promising youngsters will be gone (to top 4 clubs probably) and we'll again be developing a new side, talking about how we lose all our young talent and that we can't attract big name players.

Something to ponder:
Don Furner Sr
Wayne Bennett
Tim Sheens
Mal Meninga
Matt Elliott
Neil Henry

What have they got in common aside from being every coach the Raiders have ever had? They have all made the finals (I'm giving Don Sr credit here as he was a co-coach of sorts), every one of them. I don't see how David Furner is even going to sneak us into the top 8 to avoid being the first coach in our almost 30 year history to not take us to the post-season.

Once again, I'd love to proved wrong, but don't think that's going to happen.

 

[matt]

Some extremely balanced answers to the Questions posed.

 

[Macko8]

Dave Furner is the next coach to get us a premiership.
Give him a break,its going to take a little more then 2 years as head coach to really give this premiership a shake

I like him as a coach,no need to be sacking dave.

 

[Timbo]

*sigh*

As I said in another thread, my problem at the moment is that we have been 'rebuilding' for so long, that many of the 'promising young juniors' we had at the beginning of the rebuilding phase are now retired. Not moved one. Retired. It's been that long.

And it's less promising now than it was then. I'd love to believe Furner is the man, but this is a guy whose big brother gave him the job, without interviewing a single other candidate and who had the barest amount of coaching experience.

I would love to be proven wrong. It's just... When you have a team that blows an 18 point lead and goes on to get beaten by 13, and then whose coach names the exact same 17 the following week... I can't be confident.

 

[Cryptic]

The Knights have no changes...

 

[Cryptic]

BTW... Feel so sorry for coaches... Almost every team who has lost a few games has a "lets sack the coach" thread... I would swear they tell their teams to drop the ball and lose... Yes coaches make a difference but remember we do have a lot of other staff members involved as well... The support staff have something to answer for as well... If your going to blame the off-field people don't just focus on the coach!

 

[edabomb]

*sigh*

As I said in another thread, my problem at the moment is that we have been 'rebuilding' for so long, that many of the 'promising young juniors' we had at the beginning of the rebuilding phase are now retired. Not moved one. Retired. It's been that long.

And it's less promising now than it was then. I'd love to believe Furner is the man, but this is a guy whose big brother gave him the job, without interviewing a single other candidate and who had the barest amount of coaching experience.

I would love to be proven wrong. It's just... When you have a team that blows an 18 point lead and goes on to get beaten by 13, and then whose coach names the exact same 17 the following week... I can't be confident.

Is there any space in your boat?

I would be a lot more patient with Furner if he hadn't been given the job on a silver platter. When that happens you expect results, as that privilege is usually only bestowed on the upper echelon of people in their respected professions.