The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Suitman]

 

[firechild]

I was told earlier in this thread that Brookie's surface is just fine and that we have a tough code and players should just put up with it.

No question the surface isn't up to scratch but it's interesting that neither Sydney FC nor the Waratahs are raising concerns about anything but the playing surface. Are rugby league fans becoming that precious that bogans from the riff can travel across Sydney and complain about having to sit on grass for 2 hours to watch the footy? I kid, because away fans don't go to Brooky. However, apparently Manly's lack of travelling fans is at fault for low crowds at other grounds.

As for Perth Red's constant attacks on Brookvale Oval; I'd rather have a team to follow than a shiny new stadium with no team.

 

[Saxon]

Because clubs could earn more money from their 12 home games than they get from the NRL grant?
Because watching a sport on tv in a full modern stadium as opposed to a half full local park is more attractive?
Because we want the sport to be seen as more than some local suburban cup comp?

So where does watching a Roosters game at ANZ with 80% of the seats empty stand against watching a game at " a half full local park" (or indeed a packed stadium like Belmore)?

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I guess it shouldn't be surprising that a guy that doesn't own something is happy to give it away.

Im a Steelers fan

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

So where does watching a Roosters game at ANZ with 80% of the seats empty stand against watching a game at " a half full local park" (or indeed a packed stadium like Belmore)?

The idea that it is a questions with only 2 answers (shitty Suburban ground or a hulking oversized stadium) is insane.

Just because ANZ is shit doesnt make Brooky good. In the whole wide world, there are more than 2 stadiums......

 

[Perth Red]

So where does watching a Roosters game at ANZ with 80% of the seats empty stand against watching a game at " a half full local park" (or indeed a packed stadium like Belmore)?

View some games at a3/4 full WSS and you will have your answer!

 

[Timmah]

No question the surface isn't up to scratch but it's interesting that neither Sydney FC nor the Waratahs are raising concerns about anything but the playing surface. Are rugby league fans becoming that precious that bogans from the riff can travel across Sydney and complain about having to sit on grass for 2 hours to watch the footy? I kid, because away fans don't go to Brooky. However, apparently Manly's lack of travelling fans is at fault for low crowds at other grounds.

As for Perth Red's constant attacks on Brookvale Oval; I'd rather have a team to follow than a shiny new stadium with no team.

Let's be fair here, Sydney FC and the Waratahs are playing a solitary competition match each at the venues, and the former's agreement to play there was only reached a few weeks ago when Champions League commitments forced their hand. I doubt either would be splitting hairs over attendance concerns for a single match.

Manly meanwhile still play what, 9 or 10 matches there? Most of which are in mid-late autumn or winter, not summer or early autumn.

Call people "precious" all you want but they expect better than places like Brookvale. Why do you think Leichhardt only gets 3 games a year now?

As for the travel complaints, it's not exactly easy to get to, find a park near or get public transport to, is it?

 

[firechild]

Let's be fair here, Sydney FC and the Waratahs are playing a solitary competition match each at the venues, and the former's agreement to play there was only reached a few weeks ago when Champions League commitments forced their hand. I doubt either would be splitting hairs over attendance concerns for a single match.

The Waratahs played there last year so if it was that bad they wouldn't be coming back. Plenty of other options in NSW.

Call people "precious" all you want but they expect better than places like Brookvale. Why do you think Leichhardt only gets 3 games a year now?

Partly because it's a joint venture, 3 games in Campbelltown too. Each to give the fans of each area some home games, then 6 games in a central location. Not really comparable but you have a history of clutching at straws so this should be no different.

As for the travel complaints, it's not exactly easy to get to, find a park near or get public transport to, is it?

Right, but it's so much easier for Manly fans to get to away games? I've never really had much trouble finding a parking spot and it's always been free. Much better than parking near ANZ stadium.

 

[El Diablo]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...e/news-story/07fc9d5d20f1721e325afe6454675de4

Mayor’s bizarre claim over shoddy ground surface

Dean Ritchie, The Daily Telegraph
26 minutes ago


Despite photographic evidence showing the ground surface to be shoddy and dangerous, Northern Beaches Council mayor Michael Regan has claimed Brookvale Oval has a “quality playing field.”

It is a declaration that has quietly stunned officials from Manly, the field’s major tenant.

The Daily Telegraph revealed that Manly, the NSW Waratahs and Sydney FC have all expressed concerns about the substandard playing field.

The Waratahs play Wellington Hurricanes this Saturday night in a Super Rugby match at Brookvale. Manly has a trial against Cronulla on Saturday week with Sydney FC to contest an A-League game at the venue on March 17.

The Daily Telegraph published photographs on Monday, which clearly showed the ground surface was poor through a series of bare patches spread across the playing surface.

“Brookvale Oval is a quality playing field and we are excited to be hosting some top games from a number of codes in the coming months,” Regan said.

“There are a few patches of turf which have died off over summer and it was always our intention to replace them in time for the Waratahs match this weekend.

“We have full confidence the playing surface will be in top shape not just for this game but for all the matches coming up.

“We will continue to liaise with the Waratahs and the other codes this week.”

Manly has been forced to cancel several off-season training sessions at Brookvale for fear of long-term player injury.

When contacted about the ground, Manly coach Des Hasler said: “I know council would be doing everything it can to ensure they maintain the standards necessary for sporting sides to not only participate at Lottoland but to make sure the ground can attract professional sporting sides to the northern beaches and its constituents.”

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

No question the surface isn't up to scratch but it's interesting that neither Sydney FC nor the Waratahs are raising concerns about anything but the playing surface. Are rugby league fans becoming that precious that bogans from the riff can travel across Sydney and complain about having to sit on grass for 2 hours to watch the footy? I kid, because away fans don't go to Brooky. However, apparently Manly's lack of travelling fans is at fault for low crowds at other grounds.

As for Perth Red's constant attacks on Brookvale Oval; I'd rather have a team to follow than a shiny new stadium with no team.

How do they complain? "We want funding for a ground that we never play at. We are choosing to play a single game here but the stadium is actually shit so maybe we wont play the game here"

The only message they can send (if they care at all), is to not play games there. I mean, the SFS is out of action, Brooky is the closest rectange stadium. North Sydney is posh twat heartland, SURELY they will take as many games there as they can.

So how many games have they scheduled there? One each. They would rather play in western Sydney and on a f*cking cricket pitch than suffer Brooky more than once.

So yes, the obviously think Brookvale’s stands are just top notch......

 

[franklin2323]

No question the surface isn't up to scratch but it's interesting that neither Sydney FC nor the Waratahs are raising concerns about anything but the playing surface. Are rugby league fans becoming that precious that bogans from the riff can travel across Sydney and complain about having to sit on grass for 2 hours to watch the footy? I kid, because away fans don't go to Brooky. However, apparently Manly's lack of travelling fans is at fault for low crowds at other grounds.

As for Perth Red's constant attacks on Brookvale Oval; I'd rather have a team to follow than a shiny new stadium with no team.

The renos will make a huge difference to the look of the ground. More seats are always good.

Sharks, Manly and Penrith are never leaving their grounds. Due to their locations mostly need locals to get a crowd. Time of day and how the team is going are factors.

 

[Timmah]

Some predictable and unnecessary personal insulting aside, you've missed the point.

The Waratahs played there last year so if it was that bad they wouldn't be coming back. Plenty of other options in NSW.

Nobody but Manly plays 9-10 matches per season, in winter, at Brookvale.

Waratahs aren't going to be concerned about their ability to draw crowds for a single match in a season. As mentioned, it's the most suitable venue in the Northern beaches (which sucks, there needs to be investment), hence why they've chosen it. The other options would be what, Pittwater Rugby Park which doesn't have the same capacity... or where?

Partly because it's a joint venture, 3 games in Campbelltown too. Each to give the fans of each area some home games, then 6 games in a central location. Not really comparable but you have a history of clutching at straws so this should be no different.

They have moved four games away from the traditional grounds (plus an additional two to alternate markets this season and last) for years now because they know that venues like Leichhardt (and even Campbelltown) can't cater to 6 or more matches.

The point is that venues like Leichhardt and Brookvale are comparable, but the situations are different because WT have realised that the smaller ground/s can't sustain them long term as their primary home.

Right, but it's so much easier for Manly fans to get to away games? I've never really had much trouble finding a parking spot and it's always been free. Much better than parking near ANZ stadium.

I don't understand the reasons Manly fans don't travel in great numbers to away games. I know for sure they aren't the only club who has this problem though.

As for finding a parking spot - if you turn up nice and early you're fine, but anything inside an hour before kickoff and you're almost certainly walking anywhere up to a kilometre or two. There's no doubt access and transport needs to be improved for the venue.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

As for finding a parking spot - if you turn up nice and early you're fine, but anything inside an hour before kickoff and you're almost certainly walking anywhere up to a kilometre or two. There's no doubt access and transport needs to be improved for the venue.

This is the thing about suburban grounds. They are in the middle of suburbs!!!

The quality of the ground might be shit (and no chance of decent investment since they are one-team ground), but the big barrier is the transport.

These streets are bad enough just dealing with the local residents teyinf to get to work each day. Add in +10k trying to get to the local park and it is just impossible.

Homebush is at least DESIGNED to have 100k people enter and leave within a few hours. Suburban streets are just not built for it...

 

[horrie hastings]

I don't understand the reasons Manly fans don't travel in great numbers to away games. I know for sure they aren't the only club who has this problem though.

As for finding a parking spot - if you turn up nice and early you're fine, but anything inside an hour before kickoff and you're almost certainly walking anywhere up to a kilometre or two. There's no doubt access and transport needs to be improved for the venue.

I have driven to Brookvale a few times and never had trouble with parking but as you say you have to get there nice and early. Other wise for some Sunday games there I have got the ferry from the Quay and then a bus from Manly, takes a while but a nice relaxing way to get there and on the way home a bus straight into Wynyard.

 

[_snafu_]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...e/news-story/07fc9d5d20f1721e325afe6454675de4

Mayor’s bizarre claim over shoddy ground surface

Dean Ritchie, The Daily Telegraph
26 minutes ago


Despite photographic evidence showing the ground surface to be shoddy and dangerous, Northern Beaches Council mayor Michael Regan has claimed Brookvale Oval has a “quality playing field.”

It is a declaration that has quietly stunned officials from Manly, the field’s major tenant.

The Daily Telegraph revealed that Manly, the NSW Waratahs and Sydney FC have all expressed concerns about the substandard playing field.

The Waratahs play Wellington Hurricanes this Saturday night in a Super Rugby match at Brookvale. Manly has a trial against Cronulla on Saturday week with Sydney FC to contest an A-League game at the venue on March 17.

The Daily Telegraph published photographs on Monday, which clearly showed the ground surface was poor through a series of bare patches spread across the playing surface.

“Brookvale Oval is a quality playing field and we are excited to be hosting some top games from a number of codes in the coming months,” Regan said.

“There are a few patches of turf which have died off over summer and it was always our intention to replace them in time for the Waratahs match this weekend.

“We have full confidence the playing surface will be in top shape not just for this game but for all the matches coming up.

“We will continue to liaise with the Waratahs and the other codes this week.”

Manly has been forced to cancel several off-season training sessions at Brookvale for fear of long-term player injury.

When contacted about the ground, Manly coach Des Hasler said: “I know council would be doing everything it can to ensure they maintain the standards necessary for sporting sides to not only participate at Lottoland but to make sure the ground can attract professional sporting sides to the northern beaches and its constituents.”

Saying Brookvale has a “quality playing field” is a bit like saying the Eels have a quality forward pack.

 

[T-Boon]

The media loves the word "Bizzare" right now don't they.

 

[Coparugby]

Western Sydney stadium looking good

 

[DlEHARD]

Oh wow.

So who here is going to be heading to the opening match? Or who will be a regular here with their club?

 

[Last Week]

Oh wow.

So who here is going to be heading to the opening match? Or who will be a regular here with their club?

I'll be there. My seats are at the back of section 118.

 

[El Diablo]

My seats are at the back of section 118.

was that by choice?