The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Tiger Shark]

Because the NRL would be essentially forming a business partnership with a rival club?
What's to stop all the other clubs wanting to form a partnership with the NRL to move to their own leagues clubs grounds and lobby for a stadium to be built around it?

End of the day, as many have said, I just can't see a state government putting money into a privately owned ground, let alone one with a privately owned leagues club integrated into it

I dont think kogarah without the sharks is a great option either (but is a more likely one given its being handed over to stadiums nsw) - if the sharks are adamant on staying put Id just direct all the funds to Wollongong, entice the dragons there full time, and get some brownie points for spending on regional areas for once

Toss cronulla a few funds as a "grant" to improve the stadium themselves

Well I guess no reason they can't lobby it but how many would actually own the land for a new stadium. Not many.

Sharks own the stadium. They're in a very unique position.

Personally I'd rather see no new suburban stadiums built but the current ones given decent funds to upgrade. The government gave the Sharks $9.6m in 2006 to upgrade the stadium and they built the Monty Porter stand.

Do something similar but give them more. Give some to WIN Stadium, Leichardt, Panthers etc Probably be a lot cheaper and appease tax payers too.

 

[franklin2323]

Well I guess no reason they can't lobby it but how many would actually own the land for a new stadium. Not many.

Sharks own the stadium. They're in a very unique position.

Personally I'd rather see no new suburban stadiums built but the current ones given decent funds to upgrade. The government gave the Sharks $9.6m in 2006 to upgrade the stadium and they built the Monty Porter stand.

Do something similar but give them more. Give some to WIN Stadium, Leichardt, Panthers etc Probably be a lot cheaper and appease tax payers too.

Sharks owning the land makes it more difficult. Pretty much other NRL clubs are giving Sharks money everytime they host a game

 

[Tiger Shark]

Sharks owning the land makes it more difficult. Pretty much other NRL clubs are giving Sharks money everytime they host a game

How are clubs giving Sharks money every time they host a game ?

 

[Tiger Shark]

Cant see there is much in it for NRL other than a depreciating asset on the books and a little revenue (not like Sharks can afford to give away much of their income!) but if that is what it takes to get these stadium rebuilds over the line then make it so Vlandys.

The aim isn't for the NRL to invest financially but endorse it for upgrades as opposed to Kogarah. The Government would be funding it.

Secondly land can't be a depreciating asset but the improvements to land can be. There wouldn't be many parcels of land in Sydney that would not be an appreciating asset.

Since there is no capital investment from the NRL and they'd be looking to make money on this (whatever that would be) then you can certainly argue there's something in it for the NRL.

It might not even go that way and the NRL doesn't need to step in if you will.

I think we can agree that if the Sharks don't play at Kogarah, at least until Shark Park is no longer viable, which could be quite a few years then playing 6 games of NRL at a brand new Kogarah is a waste.

 

[franklin2323]

How are clubs giving Sharks money every time they host a game ?

Unless Sharks hand over the running of the new ground to Stadiums NSW then they would run it and as such would get the money associated with leasing it out

 

[franklin2323]

The aim isn't for the NRL to invest financially but endorse it for upgrades as opposed to Kogarah. The Government would be funding it.

Secondly land can't be a depreciating asset but the improvements to land can be. There wouldn't be many parcels of land in Sydney that would not be an appreciating asset.

Since there is no capital investment from the NRL and they'd be looking to make money on this (whatever that would be) then you can certainly argue there's something in it for the NRL.

It might not even go that way and the NRL doesn't need to step in if you will.

I think we can agree that if the Sharks don't play at Kogarah, at least until Shark Park is no longer viable, which could be quite a few years then playing 6 games of NRL at a brand new Kogarah is a waste.

As if we will see any of these grounds for 5-10 years. It was done to keep NRL on side

 

[Tiger Shark]

As if we will see any of these grounds for 5-10 years. It was done to keep NRL on side

True, but they moved pretty fast to knock down SFS. Granted alot of that was politically motivated.

We might see the NRL demand progress in this new stadium plans by certain dates otherwise they take the GF elsewhere.

 

[Perth Red]

When you have NSW liberal members of parliament and the PM instructing the NSW treasurer that the Kogarah rebuild is a white elephant because Cronulla is not moving there and there is no sound commercial case for this money to be spent on Kogarah, expect the money that was to be allocated there be moved to Cronulla and possibly shared with the Steeler's stadium in Wollongong. This makes much more financial sense. Upgrade two Rugby League grounds that get used and not an athletics oval which may get used 6 times a year which is crap to watch football at anyway. Local soccer, Southern Districts, CSJRL and NRL Sharks will all use the upgraded Shark Park, plus it is earmarked to be a home base for South Pacific Rugby league in Australia. (Part of the COE development) Most Dragons junior play in the Cronulla junior league now anyway so makes sense to move the focus to an area of Sydney where all sport is played more.

Will just be yet another missed opportunity for Sydney to do something special and that will set it up for the next 50 years. get the dragons and sharks (and Aleague) in a room and nut out a deal that sees them both agree to move their home games to a new purpose built 30k southern stadium that can service the whole region for the next few decades. Putting $80mill of lipstick on Shark park isnt going to be beneficial to the game of Rugby league in the southern sydney region. Sharks will still get 14k crowds, Dragons will be no better off and the game wont benefit in that region the way it could. You dont need a 25k stadium to have a CofE, amateur sport and a LC. Which seems to be the main reason people are saying upgrade Shark Park.

NRL could tip in some funding in order to ensure favourable terms of the RL tenants and have some say in its design and usage.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

well yeah. then you could just turn the stadium into more apartments.
the FFA, NRL and Rugby could all band together.
anyway. that's too sensible.

 

[Captain Apollo]

We might see the NRL demand progress in this new stadium plans by certain dates otherwise they take the GF elsewhere.

Like how they were going to take the GF elsewhere if the NSW Government didn't upgrade ANZ? The NRL really got the NSW Government to follow through on that one eh

 

[Perth Red]

well yeah. then you could just turn the stadium into more apartments.
the FFA, NRL and Rugby could all band together.
anyway. that's too sensible.

Shark park could still serve as a great venue as it is for local amateur, reserve grade, women, lower soccer and union sport and heritage round etc. and it would give sharks something else to sell off next time they run out of money.

a southern Sydney 30k bankwest stadium hosting at least 16 nrl games plus an Aleague club makes sense for the next 5 decades.

 

[Perth Red]

Like how they were going to take the GF elsewhere if the NSW Government didn't upgrade ANZ? The NRL really got the NSW Government to follow through on that one eh

Tbf if they get two or three decent 25-30k stadiums instead it will be abetter outcome. It’s worth keeping the threat up their sleeve for now.

 

[siv]

a southern Sydney 30k bankwest stadium hosting at least 16 nrl games plus an Aleague club makes sense for the next 5 decades.

There is no room between the Sharks LC and the appartment complex to build anything like this

You would also have issues in signifant stand upgrades as the east side is the LC structure while in the west would council DA approval and would block residental 3D open space. So they could block it anyway due to so many reasons

 

[yadamisha]

Will just be yet another missed opportunity for Sydney to do something special and that will set it up for the next 50 years. get the dragons and sharks (and Aleague) in a room and nut out a deal that sees them both agree to move their home games to a new purpose built 30k southern stadium that can service the whole region for the next few decades. Putting $80mill of lipstick on Shark park isnt going to be beneficial to the game of Rugby league in the southern sydney region. Sharks will still get 14k crowds, Dragons will be no better off and the game wont benefit in that region the way it could. You dont need a 25k stadium to have a CofE, amateur sport and a LC. Which seems to be the main reason people are saying upgrade Shark Park.

NRL could tip in some funding in order to ensure favourable terms of the RL tenants and have some say in its design and usage.

Obviously you have no idea of what is happening in southern area of Sydney in regards to rugby league and other rectangular sports if you think Kogarah is the best location.

The home of league in the south is in the Shire (based on participation numbers alone), hence it makes sense for the main stadium to be there from a pure RL perspective,

The Dragons future home is in Wollongong, not Kogarah, The old Dragons juniors will eventually come under the CSDJRL as they mostly play there now, hence put some money into Wollongong where the dragons would actually get some benefit from an upgrade.

Sydney FC play out of the SFS and are an anchor tenant there, nothing to do with this stadium so A league is not relevant, unless there was another new A-league team and they want that based in the shire to distance themselves from Sydney FC hence another reason for Shark Park upgrade.

Having the main southern stadium in a location (the Shire) where the largest participation of all the rectangular codes combined in Sydney resides, plus have attached an integrated COE for not just RL, not only makes commercial sense but is logical. As a result the game of rugby league would benefit more from an upgrade at Shark Park, the centre of league in the south of Sydney, than at Kogarah which is becoming more meaningless each year.

Besides its a building site already!

 

[yadamisha]

There is no room between the Sharks LC and the appartment complex to build anything like this

You would also have issues in signifant stand upgrades as the east side is the LC structure while in the west would council DA approval and would block residental 3D open space. So they could block it anyway due to so many reasons

There is an approved DA already in place for Stand upgrades! The stadium space is its own area, nothing to do with the units and does not impact them.

 

[siv]

There is an approved DA already in place for Stand upgrades! The stadium space is its own area, nothing to do with the units and does not impact them.

It will go down the same path as Luna Park Big Dipper

Residents forced its end

 

[Saint Doc]

Obviously you have no idea of what is happening in southern area of Sydney in regards to rugby league and other rectangular sports if you think Kogarah is the best location.

The home of league in the south is in the Shire (based on participation numbers alone), hence it makes sense for the main stadium to be there from a pure RL perspective,

The Dragons future home is in Wollongong, not Kogarah, The old Dragons juniors will eventually come under the CSDJRL as they mostly play there now, hence put some money into Wollongong where the dragons would actually get some benefit from an upgrade.

Sydney FC play out of the SFS and are an anchor tenant there, nothing to do with this stadium so A league is not relevant, unless there was another new A-league team and they want that based in the shire to distance themselves from Sydney FC hence another reason for Shark Park upgrade.

Having the main southern stadium in a location (the Shire) where the largest participation of all the rectangular codes combined in Sydney resides, plus have attached an integrated COE for not just RL, not only makes commercial sense but is logical. As a result the game of rugby league would benefit more from an upgrade at Shark Park, the centre of league in the south of Sydney, than at Kogarah which is becoming more meaningless each year.

Besides its a building site already!

lol.

 

[yadamisha]

It will go down the same path as Luna Park Big Dipper

Residents forced its end

Can't when it is in your sale contract for living in those apartments!

 

[yadamisha]

lol.

It's call denial

 

[Perth Red]

There is no room between the Sharks LC and the appartment complex to build anything like this

You would also have issues in signifant stand upgrades as the east side is the LC structure while in the west would council DA approval and would block residental 3D open space. So they could block it anyway due to so many reasons

im not talking about building it at Cronulla. Build it somewhere both clubs will feel it is neutral that has good public transport options.