The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[i0Nic]

Sharks will only get between 12-16k crowds at best so Shark Park after it's upgrade will be ok for 80% of their games. They should move a couple games to Allianz and that's it.

 

[Vlad59]

Sharks will only get between 12-16k crowds at best so Shark Park after it's upgrade will be ok for 80% of their games. They should move a couple games to Allianz and that's it.

Sounds about right.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Has to be something in it for the govt. Does Management rights for x years do it?

if i were running the sharks, if there was an offer to fix it up i would be signing the paper before ot was printed

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

I’m no expert on this but I can’t see $100 million being even remotely close to being enough to improve the stadium and restore it back to 18000 capacity. The club needs to consider moving its big games to Allianz maybe three times a year. I’ve defended the stadium in the past but it’s no longer defensible imho as a venue for 12-13 games a year even once it gets back to true capacity whenever that is.

The cost to get the capacity back up is actually not that great, the reason the capacity is lower is due to safety regulations as there are only entrances at one end so there is a fire egress issue.

They will be building a new turnstile/entrance at the north east corner when they get approval to start the leagues club fitout. they (sharks) literally can't do anything until the developers have finished.

once the new entrance is built, the capacity will be the 18,000 odd.

to make actually make it a good stadium, theyd need over 300 million at a minimum.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

It depends on maintenance costs etc. clubs are greedy and will do what is best money wise, I can't see the club is playing at Shark Park while knowing Allianz is more lucative for them

well, this is the thing
eventually there will be a tipping point money wise.
but..atm, the benefit of playing in the shire bit outweighs the extra money across the season

 

[Wb1234]

The cost to get the capacity back up is actually not that great, the reason the capacity is lower is due to safety regulations as there are only entrances at one end so there is a fire egress issue.

They will be building a new turnstile/entrance at the north east corner when they get approval to start the leagues club fitout. they (sharks) literally can't do anything until the developers have finished.

once the new entrance is built, the capacity will be the 18,000 odd.

to make actually make it a good stadium, theyd need over 300 million at a minimum.

Don’t they need to just finish the roof on the leagues club to get capacity up to normal

 

[Vlad59]

The cost to get the capacity back up is actually not that great, the reason the capacity is lower is due to safety regulations as there are only entrances at one end so there is a fire egress issue.

They will be building a new turnstile/entrance at the north east corner when they get approval to start the leagues club fitout. they (sharks) literally can't do anything until the developers have finished.

once the new entrance is built, the capacity will be the 18,000 odd.

to make actually make it a good stadium, theyd need over 300 million at a minimum.

My understanding is that the development delays have held up the leagues club fit out due to the contract signed by the club with the developer. I’m not keen to go back to watch another game there until I can be sure it will be comfortable for my old bones.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

My understanding is that the development delays have held up the leagues club fit out due to the contract signed by the club with the developer. I’m not keen to go back to watch another game there until I can be sure it will be comfortable for my old bones.

well mate i honestly reckon you should save you money and go in a corporate setting tbh
when the have the upper peter burns part back online again its pretty good
maybe try the king wan2 or even book one of the hotel rooms overlooking

the in ground experience f**king sucks at the moment

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Don’t they need to just finish the roof on the leagues club to get capacity up to normal

no they need the sign off from the developers and the handover which allows them to do their fitout on the LC
at present they are not allowed to do any of their own internal or external work whilst the project is being finished.

the entrance on the north side has to be built before the capacity can go up

 

[Iamback]

well, this is the thing
eventually there will be a tipping point money wise.
but..atm, the benefit of playing in the shire bit outweighs the extra money across the season

I heard the break even crowd for Allianz ( unless you get the primary tennant rate ) is 16k.

Venues NSW would drop that if want content that badly but when you consider traffic, extra travel time than only a few games would fit into that category.

even less when you rule out Roosters and Souffs to keep 'home' advantage

There are reasons clubs stay at these mostly sub par venues

 

[Vlad59]

well mate i honestly reckon you should save you money and go in a corporate setting tbh
when the have the upper peter burns part back online again its pretty good
maybe try the king wan2 or even book one of the hotel rooms overlooking

the in ground experience f**king sucks at the moment

Thanks mate. I’ll consider that. The hotel is mint by the way. Stayed there last year.

 

[Wb1234]

no they need the sign off from the developers and the handover which allows them to do their fitout on the LC
at present they are not allowed to do any of their own internal or external work whilst the project is being finished.

the entrance on the north side has to be built before the capacity can go up

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Sounds like the developer is close to handing over the lc for the refurb

Guess that would rule out all of this year too at reduced capacity or does the fit out allow greater capacity with less scaffolding etc ?

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

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Sounds like the developer is close to handing over the lc for the refurb

Guess that would rule out all of this year too at reduced capacity or does the fit out allow greater capacity with less scaffolding etc ?

they have been getting close for months. just edging and edging

this year will be exactly the same

Say they handed over today. mad. it then would take 1 year minimum to do the fitout so no LC, no upper burns, no LC Deck means the corporate tent stays as it is which means a few less would stand in that hill there.

if they did some absolute speed round entrance building you could probably raise the capacity to 16k once thats opened up and jam in more GA standing but thats it

 

[Wb1234]

they have been getting close for months. just edging and edging

this year will be exactly the same

Say they handed over today. mad. it then would take 1 year minimum to do the fitout so no LC, no upper burns, no LC Deck means the corporate tent stays as it is which means a few less would stand in that hill there.

if they did some absolute speed round entrance building you could probably raise the capacity to 16k once thats opened up and jam in more GA standing but thats it

Still when it’s done the sharks will have two leagues clubs to make dollars off with Kareela gf course

I saw there’s a new corporate / restaurant over looking the ground next to the leagues club bet they make some decent coin off that

Even if they average 16k when the ground is fully open they will be making decent money off game day

Not manly clubs where the leagues club is part of the ground

Rothfield will keep complaining how unfair it is lo is getting money and they will guilt the feds and state govt to do something

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Still when it’s done the sharks will have two leagues clubs to make dollars off with Kareela gf course

I saw there’s a new corporate / restaurant over looking the ground next to the leagues club bet they make some decent coin off that

Even if they average 16k when the ground is fully open they will be making decent money off game day

Not manly clubs where the leagues club is part of the ground

Rothfield will keep complaining how unfair it is lo is getting money and they will guilt the feds and state govt to do something

yeah itll be really good, also kareela is the best bit of business the club ever did. makes a good profit, has land to do more residential stuff. great bit of value.

they have a stake in the new chinese joint, food is good. you can book a table on gameday for the cost of our arm and leg
when the LC deck is complete that will be another corporate gameday experience

tbh i would love it if the club plan was that the venues do well enough then they could put some money into the stadium themselves to keep the place at a decent standard

 

[Wb1234]

yeah itll be really good, also kareela is the best bit of business the club ever did. makes a good profit, has land to do more residential stuff. great bit of value.

they have a stake in the new chinese joint, food is good. you can book a table on gameday for the cost of our arm and leg
when the LC deck is complete that will be another corporate gameday experience

tbh i would love it if the club plan was that the venues do well enough then they could put some money into the stadium themselves to keep the place at a decent standard

That’s one way to get stadium upgrades is to put some in yourself then get govts to match it

Dunno what they could do other than bury the power lines if they aren’t already and do a smallish eastern stand

Capacity is fine for sharks crowds. If they ever get to sellouts for a lot of games they could take a game or two to Allianz

 

[Perth Red]

I heard the break even crowd for Allianz ( unless you get the primary tennant rate ) is 16k.

Surely depends on corporate sales achieved?
At an avg $25 a ticket (which is probably low) that's 16kx25 = $400k. Is that the rental cost of Allianz per game?

 

[Vlad59]

Surely depends on corporate sales achieved?
At an avg $25 a ticket (which is probably low) that's 16kx25 = $400k. Is that the rental cost of Allianz per game?

Applying your logic, which I agree with, the broncos have always maintained they need a crowd of 30000 at Suncorp to break even. At $25 a ticket that’s $750000 a game or over $10 million a year just to rent the ground. That’s pretty fecking ridiculous.

 

[Iamback]

Surely depends on corporate sales achieved?
At an avg $25 a ticket (which is probably low) that's 16kx25 = $400k. Is that the rental cost of Allianz per game?

Are you getting enough corporates as a 1 off though?

That is where Roosters and Dogs at Accor get good deals being longer term tennants.

 

[Perth Red]

Applying your logic, which I agree with, the broncos have always maintained they need a crowd of 30000 at Suncorp to break even. At $25 a ticket that’s $750000 a game or over $10 million a year just to rent the ground. That’s pretty fecking ridiculous.

thats not what Broncos pay, they pay around $350k a game for Suncorp last time I looked.

Depends I suppose if 'break even' includes everything related to game day ie marketing, ticket sales, membership costs, venue hire, corporate hosting costs etc etc. Some of that stuff is the same regardless of venue used.
If we are purely looking at how much it costs to rent a venue and how many tickets you need to sell to cover that cost than it would be a straight avg ticket price divided by venue hire cost.