The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[i0Nic]

The SCG needs an upgrade and will get it. Cricket adds to the economy and social context in ways your dense minds can't conceive. I acknowledge your stupidity.

You fumbleball obsessed fools will just have to suck up your tears.

so what is rugby league, soccer and union then? Just chump meat, doesn’t add anything to the economy or culture. Not worth spending on

 

[AlwaysGreen]

so what is rugby league, soccer and union then? Just chump meat, doesn’t add anything to the economy or culture. Not worth spending on

Do you mean like spending money on 3 new rectangular stadiums at Moore Park, Penrith and Parramatta over the last 10 years?

 

[Captain Apollo]

Some like sfs has issues with disability access and fire exits and the cost of upgrading those was prohibitive

But stadium Australia could go for decades as is

The scg upgrades are just the afl grifting as usual on the public purse

I don’t know why the Gabba was said to be nearing the end of its life and whether that was true or not

From the media reports I've read, its Cricket Australia and not the AFL banging on about upgrades for the SCG.

 

[i0Nic]

Do you mean like spending money on 3 new rectangular stadiums at Moore Park, Penrith and Parramatta over the last 10 years?

Oh that Penrith ground is so comparable to these high end afl stadia.

One high end stadium and two middle of the road grounds in Sydney. What’s that about 1.5B total?

For AFL if you’re talking last 10 years total add up Optus Oval, Tasmania stadium, Brisbane stadium, RCG Showgrounds… what’s that 7B? And probably add SCG soon to this.

So 1.5B vs 7B+ spend in a 10 year window. Is the AFL worth spending 5x more for the ‘social context’ over NRL and 2 other high profile sport?

the AFL demands top class stadiums, architectural landmarks. They’re not happy with stadiums the NRL accept like CommBank and Penrith. They think they deserve first tier high end venues only. They bully governments like TAS to spend top dollars on stadiums they can’t afford. Why can’t they build a CommBank style 20k ground in Hobart, why do they need to spend 2B?

the disparity between government spending for afl infrastructure vs nrl + rectangular sports is massive.

 

[i0Nic]

From the media reports I've read, it’s Cricket Australia and not the AFL banging on about upgrades for the SCG.

They both have well established they have a 1-2 lobbyist punch to bully governments, it’s one and the same.

 

[Wb1234]

Including centres of excellence the nsw govt has spent 1.7 billion and still has to pay 8 million a year to keep the grand final its a great result

In terms of stadiums in nsw in terms of priority

1. Brookie. Too small. Minimum 200 million to replace the hill with a two tier. 300 million to replace the old stand on Pittwater ? Rd.

Leave Arko and Jane try for later

2. Newcastle 200 to 300 million to get capacity up to around 40k with stands at either ends

3. Gong 200 million to 300 million to replace hill and southern stand with two tier

4. Campbelltown ? Would depend if dogs want their stadium in Liverpool which is 40k proposed

Accor will be fine for 20 years as is it sells out for origin and grand final. And likely won’t have regular club tenants down the track

If Accor is rebuilt then 100k and a roof is what it should be from a total rebuild

That just leaves Canberra and maybe go media and the nrl is sorted (hbf park is getting at least 200 million and png is getting stadium upgrades funded by the png govt )

 

[Perth Red]

Oh that Penrith ground is so comparable to these high end afl stadia.

One high end stadium and two middle of the road grounds in Sydney. What’s that about 1.5B total?

For AFL if you’re talking last 10 years total add up Optus Oval, Tasmania stadium, Brisbane stadium, RCG Showgrounds… what’s that 7B? And probably add SCG soon to this.

So 1.5B vs 7B+ spend in a 10 year window. Is the AFL worth spending 5x more for the ‘social context’ over NRL and 2 other high profile sport?

the AFL demands top class stadiums, architectural landmarks. They’re not happy with stadiums the NRL accept like CommBank and Penrith. They think they deserve first tier high end venues only. They bully governments like TAS to spend top dollars on stadiums they can’t afford. Why can’t they build a CommBank style 20k ground in Hobart, why do they need to spend 2B?

the disparity between government spending for afl infrastructure vs nrl + rectangular sports is massive.

Commbank is a brilliant mid size rectangular stadium, its one of best I've been to. Not sure Id be using that as an example of middling stadium outcomes lol

A lot of the new oval stadiums costs have been due to them being new builds in new locations that require significant transport and infrastructure upgrades. Optus stadium for example cost $1.6bill, but half of that was spent in transport upgrades and improving the surrounding area, not on the stadium. The rectangular stadium projects so far have been built in same location as previous stadium so not so much spend on other areas.

Oval sports stadiums in last 10 or so years:
Perth Stadium (New)
Adelaide Oval (redevelopment)
Marvel stadium (upgrade)

Future:
Tassie Stadium (New)
Brisbane Stadium (New)

Rectangular stadiums in last 10 years or so:
Allianz (New)
Commbank (New
NQ Stadium (New)
Brookvale (upgrade)
Perth RS (Upgrade)

Future:
Penrith (redevelopment)
Perth RS (?Upgrade)
PNG Stadium (Upgrade)

 

[i0Nic]

Yeah move Rabbits to Allianz, build Liverpool CommBank clone and have wests and dogs play there. (1B)

new stadium in Canberra. (1B)

fix up brookvale, win stadium. Add seats to Newcastle. (1B)

You could do all the above for 3B spread out over the next 10 years.

leave Accor for the next 15 years for the big events only, and just give it lipstick updates. Heck stick a roof on it. It’s ok for grand finals and origins that’s about it. Then in the 2040s create a top class 80k rectangular stadium in Sydney. Effectively rugby league moves of out Accor except for GF, origins, and maybe some select marquee games.

Elsewhere we will need a new Suncorp or Suncorp upgrade in the next decade.

 

[jim_57]

Total crowds of 2 x oval sports - 10.3m
Total crowds of 3 x rectangular sports - 6.3m
No doubt that helps their argument.

Vast majority of that 10.3 million would be in Victoria, SA & WA who have their oval stadiums sorted. The vast majority of the 6.3m would be in QLD & NSW so no it shouldn’t factor in to calculations significantly for NSW & QLD spending.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Oh that Penrith ground is so comparable to these high end afl stadia.

One high end stadium and two middle of the road grounds in Sydney. What’s that about 1.5B total?

For AFL if you’re talking last 10 years total add up Optus Oval, Tasmania stadium, Brisbane stadium, RCG Showgrounds… what’s that 7B? And probably add SCG soon to this.

So 1.5B vs 7B+ spend in a 10 year window. Is the AFL worth spending 5x more for the ‘social context’ over NRL and 2 other high profile sport?

the AFL demands top class stadiums, architectural landmarks. They’re not happy with stadiums the NRL accept like CommBank and Penrith. They think they deserve first tier high end venues only. They bully governments like TAS to spend top dollars on stadiums they can’t afford. Why can’t they build a CommBank style 20k ground in Hobart, why do they need to spend 2B?

the disparity between government spending for afl infrastructure vs nrl + rectangular sports is massive.

I've got no idea about afl, I'll leave that to you.

I'm only interested in cricket and the Sydney Cricket Ground needs and will receive an upgrade.

 

[i0Nic]

I've got no idea about afl, I'll leave that to you.

I'm only interested in cricket and the Sydney Cricket Ground needs and will receive an upgrade.

Good for you. I’m not interested in cricket upgrades and this is a rugby league forum so I’m kinda more interested in that.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Good for you. I’m not interested in cricket upgrades and this is a rugby league forum so I’m kinda more interested in that.

Yet you spend the majority of your time crying about afl.

 

[i0Nic]

Yet you spend the majority of your time crying about afl.

It's relevant to compare to a football code played in winter like the NRL, which is our major competitor and competing for the same government dollars.

 

[Desert Qlder]

The notion that cricket in Australia requires larger stadiums is stupid.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Commbank is a brilliant mid size rectangular stadium, its one of best I've been to. Not sure Id be using that as an example of middling stadium outcomes lol

A lot of the new oval stadiums costs have been due to them being new builds in new locations that require significant transport and infrastructure upgrades. Optus stadium for example cost $1.6bill, but half of that was spent in transport upgrades and improving the surrounding area, not on the stadium. The rectangular stadium projects so far have been built in same location as previous stadium so not so much spend on other areas.

Oval sports stadiums in last 10 or so years:
Perth Stadium (New)
Adelaide Oval (redevelopment)
Marvel stadium (upgrade)

Future:
Tassie Stadium (New)
Brisbane Stadium (New)

Rectangular stadiums in last 10 years or so:
Allianz (New)
Commbank (New
NQ Stadium (New)
Brookvale (upgrade)
Perth RS (Upgrade)

Future:
Penrith (redevelopment)
Perth RS (?Upgrade)
PNG Stadium (Upgrade)

And yet when Brisbane is done, every capital city in Australia has an oval as the biggest stadium dispite rectangular sports overwhelmingly providing more tourist revenue...

Magic Round
Origin
Grand Finals
Wallabies
RU British Lions Tours
RU World Cup
Olympic Soccer
Socceroos
Matildas
Soccer Asian Cup

Let's see what events the oval sports drive

AFL GF
AFL Reach Around
Ashes
Cricket World Cup
Maybe Indian cricket tours

Fair disparity there

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The notion that cricket in Australia requires larger stadiums is stupid.

Right? As if Cricket Australia can afford to take tests off Sydney, or Brisbane for that matter - empty threats

 

[Perth Red]

And yet when Brisbane is done, every capital city in Australia has an oval as the biggest stadium dispite rectangular sports overwhelmingly providing more tourist revenue...

Magic Round
Origin
Grand Finals
Wallabies
RU British Lions Tours
RU World Cup
Olympic Soccer
Socceroos
Matildas
Soccer Asian Cup

Let's see what events the oval sports drive

AFL GF
AFL Reach Around
Ashes
Cricket World Cup
Maybe Indian cricket tours

Fair disparity there

Difference is those ovals attract big crowds every other week + the occasional big event crowds. NRL crowds have only just hit 20k avg, many clubs still well below that, soccer under 10k, union 10k. Its not like theres much demand for 60k+ stadiums other than for the occasional event and Govts arent forking out a billion $'s for the occasional event.

Even Broncos cant get close to filling Suncorp regularly and that isnt a stadium barrier. Part of the issue is NRL clubs not sharing stadia. If there was 2-4 NRL clubs pulling 30k+ every game sharing a stadium it would be a fair case for a decent sized stadium. Hard to justify building a 50-60k stadium when one club will use it drawing 20k on a good day. In reality the only cities where a new 50-60k rectangular stadium would be justified is Brisbane and Auckland.

 

[reanimate]

Right? As if Cricket Australia can afford to take tests off Sydney, or Brisbane for that matter - empty threats

There’s no chance they won’t hold tests in Sydney even if there’s no SCG upgrades.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Difference us those ovals attract big crowds every other week. NRL crowds have only just hit 20k, soccer under 10k, union 10k. Its not like theres much demand for 60k+ stadiums other than for the odd event. Even Broncos cant get close to filling Suncorp regularly.

The case the rectangular sports need to be making to governments though is a tourism dollar case. They (RL, RU and Soccer as a united front) should be saying, we bring bring in the events that matter, we want large world class rectangles to host those events in

AFL filling the MCG with Melbournians every week does f**k all for airlines, hotels etc in Melbourne.

 

[Perth Red]

The case the rectangular sports need to be making to governments though is a tourism dollar case. They (RL, RU and Soccer as a united front) should be saying, we bring bring in the events that matter, we want large world class rectangles to host those events in

AFL filling the MCG with Melbournians every week does f**k all for airlines, hotels etc in Melbourne.

Optus stadium has been a huge boost to WA sports and event tourism. But even with that level of usage for these events it wouldn't have been justified if there wasn't 24 games a year of AFL there drawing 40k crowds and cricket as well.

Sydney has two large rectangular stadiums. One brand new. The other needed redevelopment. But when the NSW govt wanted to do it NRL opposed it and asked for suburban spending instead. That's on NRL.
Brisbane has a large rectangular stadium, it could do with a bigger one but hard to justify given Suncorp still has lots of shelf life.
No other city can really justify one until NRL becomes much more popular for attending and there's 2 NRL clubs in that city to use it.