The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[Canard]

Agree with this mate. There's actually not much wrong with Suncorp now at the 22 year mark but the capacity was always at least 10-15k too small. They should have done it at 65k and built it to be the Premier rectangular stadium for 50 years.

Sydney needs to get it right with the next iteration of Accor. It must be rectangular and the capacity can't be reduced, that's crazy! Go all out, a national purpose built stadium for RL, RU and Soccer. Go 90 - 100k and we then have a rectangular venue of our own so when we want attendances like that for all three sports we don't have to go running to the MCG. Plus NSW has an absolute Coliseum on its hands for Origin, can you imagine the atmosphere?

No stadium will have a lifespan beyond 30 years without some renovation.

Things like technology change so much in this time, let alone the degradation of infrastructure

 

[i0Nic]

I dunno if Accor needs to be 100k. Yes we see the mcg at 100k but we gotta keep in mind that is absolutely absurdly massive for a stadium, bigger than any nfl or epl stadium. A 70k stadium would still be absolutely huge. I think could go to 80k and keep it to similar capacity to what it is, but can’t see any need to go bigger.

 

[Steel Saints]

I dunno if Accor needs to be 100k. Yes we see the mcg at 100k but we gotta keep in mind that is absolutely absurdly massive for a stadium, bigger than any nfl or epl stadium. A 70k stadium would still be absolutely huge. I think could go to 80k and keep it to similar capacity to what it is, but can’t see any need to go bigger.

The thing is why spend so much money to reduce capacity? While Sydney and NSW population continues to grow. It should be 80k or current capacity at a minimum. The key is for the stadium to be rectangular.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I dunno if Accor needs to be 100k. Yes we see the mcg at 100k but we gotta keep in mind that is absolutely absurdly massive for a stadium, bigger than any nfl or epl stadium. A 70k stadium would still be absolutely huge. I think could go to 80k and keep it to similar capacity to what it is, but can’t see any need to go bigger.

If you plan to have it go up to 100k capacity, it would be wiser to do it now than do upgrades to keep it at current capacity and upgrade it later. It would cost more doing in that way

It's like when the NSW Government only built the M5 originally as 2 lanes each way yet, about a decade later, upgraded it to 4 lanes each way. It cost them 3 - 4 times as much to do the upgrade than had they originally built it as 4 lanes each way at the time of construction. When planning this type of stuff, we need to look longer term, and not what the immediate or short term needs are.

 

[Perth Red]

If you plan to have it go up to 100k capacity, it would be wiser to do it now than do upgrades to keep it at current capacity and upgrade it later. It would cost more doing in that way

It's like when the NSW Government only built the M5 originally as 2 lanes each way yet, about a decade later, upgraded it to 4 lanes each way. It cost them 3 - 4 times as much to do the upgrade than had they originally built it as 4 lanes each way at the time of construction. When planning this type of stuff, we need to look longer term, and not what the immediate or short term needs are.

There's probably a good cost reason stadiums rarely get built over 80-90k. Im guessing construction costs must go up exponentially once over a certain size? Wembley at 90k would be a good design to use for a new national rectangular stadium in Sydney.

 

[Wb1234]

The thing is why spend so much money to reduce capacity? While Sydney and NSW population continues to grow. It should be 80k or current capacity at a minimum. The key is for the stadium to be rectangular.

Exactly

If they rebuild it should be to 100k with a side for corporates like commbank and Allianz

They have to factor in some growth over the next 50 years in grand final and origin crowds

 

[Jamberoo]

There's probably a good cost reason stadiums rarely get built over 80-90k. Im guessing construction costs must go up exponentially once over a certain size? Wembley at 90k would be a good design to use for a new national rectangular stadium in Sydney.

It is very difficult to design a rectangular stadium over 80k - 90k without compromising the viewing experience. It is why NFL and soccer stadiums over 90k don’t exist.

Consider that the MCG has double the field perimeter to work with. So a 100k rectangular stadium needs to be almost twice as high as the MCG. Imagine adding another 45k to Suncorp. It just doesn’t work without moving stands away from the field, or having a shallow rake and having the upper levels further back. This defeats the whole purpose.

Wembley is great when full but they don’t play regular club games there. Lower levels have a shallow rake and upper levels are a long way from the action.

An awesome 70k stadium is better than a compromised 90k stadium. It costs less to build and will give patrons a better game day experience, thus boosting crowds.

 

[i0Nic]

The issue with Accor isn’t its capacity it’s just a shit stadium. We don’t have any need for a bigger stadium. We need better amenities, corporate facilities, just a general better and more premium experience.

Capacity wise it needs to be minimum 70k to ensure it’s one of the top 2 biggest stadiums in the country. But making it 100k makes worse the situation of lower drawing games. unless we say Accor is only for state of origin, finals and massive derbies only. Which would mean even less impetus for the government to upgrade it.

 

[Wb1234]

The issue with Accor isn’t its capacity it’s just a shit stadium. We don’t have any need for a bigger stadium. We need better amenities, corporate facilities, just a general better and more premium experience.

Capacity wise it needs to be minimum 70k to ensure it’s one of the top 2 biggest stadiums in the country. But making it 100k makes worse the situation of lower drawing games. unless we say Accor is only for state of origin, finals and massive derbies only. Which would mean even less impetus for the government to upgrade it.

Spending 1.5 to 2 billion on a stadium for 15 rugby league games and maybe five other games when the stadium already sells out for big events

Rents would go through the roof for little economic benefit

Allianz or commbank are perfect for club games

If dogs stay and they price tickets properly they will get 30 to 50k for marquee games as is

If the nsw govt wants int events it can just pay for them knowing its got 83.5k capacity

It would mean the arl gives up the 8 million a year the nsw govt pay for the grand final too

 

[Steel Saints]

The issue with Accor isn’t its capacity it’s just a shit stadium. We don’t have any need for a bigger stadium. We need better amenities, corporate facilities, just a general better and more premium experience.

Capacity wise it needs to be minimum 70k to ensure it’s one of the top 2 biggest stadiums in the country. But making it 100k makes worse the situation of lower drawing games. unless we say Accor is only for state of origin, finals and massive derbies only. Which would mean even less impetus for the government to upgrade it.

For Accor stadium it's not about Origin, finals, derbies or sport in general. In the summer months, it is primarily a concert venue. Eleven concerts were held there last year. There is six concerts lined up late this year after the GF.

Slothfield recently said that if Accor had a roof, Taylor Swift may have done eight shows instead of four.

So when it comes to upgrading, renovating or building stadiums, concerts shouldn't be overlooked. Not always about footy. For Accor, minimum should be 80k.

 

[T-Boon]

No stadium will have a lifespan beyond 30 years without some renovation.

Things like technology change so much in this time, let alone the degradation of infrastructure

Yeah. $50m max. Not $1b every 30 years like the SCG thinks it’s entitled to.

 

[Jamberoo]

For Accor stadium it's not about Origin, finals, derbies or sport in general. In the summer months, it is primarily a concert venue. Eleven concerts were held there last year. There is six concerts lined up late this year after the GF.

Slothfield recently said that if Accor had a roof, Taylor Swift may have done eight shows instead of four.

So when it comes to upgrading, renovating or building stadiums, concerts shouldn't be overlooked. Not always about footy. For Accor, minimum should be 80k.

Trust me, you don’t want a roof. The roof at Marvel is extremely unpopular. A metal roof create shadows which broadcasters hate - hence why the Marvel roof is closed even on a dry 20 degree day. Watching sport in the middle of the day indoors with lights on creates a very strange atmosphere. Most don’t like it. And a clear roof create a hothouse effect, making it unbearable in summer. They will regret the door down in Hobart. Waste of $250m.

Also, there is no way Sydney would host all of Taylor Swift’s shows just because of a roof. Melbourne was her biggest crowds ever.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Trust me, you don’t want a roof. The roof at Marvel is extremely unpopular. A metal roof create shadows which broadcasters hate - hence why the Marvel roof is closed even on a dry 20 degree day. Watching sport in the middle of the day indoors with lights on creates a very strange atmosphere. Most don’t like it. And a clear roof create a hothouse effect, making it unbearable in summer. They will regret the door down in Hobart. Waste of $250m.

Also, there is no way Sydney would host all of Taylor Swift’s shows just because of a roof. Melbourne was her biggest crowds ever.

Melbourne had her biggest crowds because it was at a Stadium BIGGER than Accor Also, again,as Steel Saints said, its more than just about the footy codes usage of stadiums that come into play.

 

[Steel Saints]

Trust me, you don’t want a roof. The roof at Marvel is extremely unpopular. A metal roof create shadows which broadcasters hate - hence why the Marvel roof is closed even on a dry 20 degree day. Watching sport in the middle of the day indoors with lights on creates a very strange atmosphere. Most don’t like it. And a clear roof create a hothouse effect, making it unbearable in summer. They will regret the door down in Hobart. Waste of $250m.

Also, there is no way Sydney would host all of Taylor Swift’s shows just because of a roof. Melbourne was her biggest crowds ever.

Retractable roof could be handy on a cold wet winters day. NSW gov. would have to work out if its feasible or not. However, Accor needs to be rectangular. For concerts, fans will be closer to the artist. MCG may have a bigger capacity, but with an oval shape ground, fans are too far away.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It is very difficult to design a rectangular stadium over 80k - 90k without compromising the viewing experience. It is why NFL and soccer stadiums over 90k don’t exist.

Consider that the MCG has double the field perimeter to work with. So a 100k rectangular stadium needs to be almost twice as high as the MCG. Imagine adding another 45k to Suncorp. It just doesn’t work without moving stands away from the field, or having a shallow rake and having the upper levels further back. This defeats the whole purpose.

Wembley is great when full but they don’t play regular club games there. Lower levels have a shallow rake and upper levels are a long way from the action.

An awesome 70k stadium is better than a compromised 90k stadium. It costs less to build and will give patrons a better game day experience, thus boosting crowds.

70k is way too small. If 100k is an issue, keep it as is, capacity wise, or make it 90k

 

[Jamberoo]

Melbourne had her biggest crowds because it was at a Stadium BIGGER than Accor Also, again,as Steel Saints said, its more than just about the footy codes usage of stadiums that come into play.

Yes, that is my point. A roof at ACCOR is not going to take concerts away from the MCG, as it will always be bigger than ACCOR.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

It is very difficult to design a rectangular stadium over 80k - 90k without compromising the viewing experience. It is why NFL and soccer stadiums over 90k don’t exist.

What do you mean? There's half a dozen College Football stadiums in America over 100k

 

[Perth Red]

What do you mean? There's half a dozen College Football stadiums in America over 100k

Theres thousands of sports stadium in the world. only 18 of them are over 90k capacity. Probably for a number of reasons.

 

[Wb1234]

Theres thousands of sports stadium in the world. only 18 of them are over 90k capacity. Probably for a number of reasons.

Yeh it’s not like they can put extra steel and concrete In a stadium and engineer it for more than 90k

 

[T-Boon]

What do you mean? There's half a dozen College Football stadiums in America over 100k

Penn state, Alabama, Ohio state, Michigan, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, LSU.

edit: I just checked and I got them all. I’m some genius.