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Future NRL Stadiums

El Diablo

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why kind this maggot just f**k off and die?

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...ing-points-for-new-venue-20170413-gvkkny.html

Andrew Barr says stadium surface and A-League the sticking points for new venue

ACT chief minister Andrew Barr says soccer content is a sticking point for the viability for a new rectangular stadium in Civic, but plans will push ahead even if Canberra doesn't secure an A-League licence.

But one of the major hurdles for the proposed $350 million venue to be built by the mid 2020s is the type of playing surface and whether the ACT Brumbies can Canberra Raiders will agree to a synthetic field.

The government is weighing up whether to invest in regular A-League fixtures in the capital or pool their money to lure marquee Socceroos matches in the coming years.

Barr is adamant there must be an ongoing relationship with soccer if a new stadium is to be built and flagged hopes for a long-term partnership similar to AFL club the GWS Giants agreement in Canberra.

There were rumours a private group was preparing a bid for Canberra to be considered for an A-League licence when the league expands in the comings years.

However, that seems unlikely and the government is yet to start negotiations with the Central Coast Mariners about returning to Canberra Stadium next year.

The Mariners launched a push into Canberra this season, investing in a pathway program and paying to play in the capital in the hope of a longer-term arrangement.

"We made $15,000 or a tiny amount of money on the A-League game with 5000 people in Canberra," Barr said.

"That doesn't work. The Central Coast lost money and we only made spare change, it's not a commercial proposition.

"The question for soccer in Canberra is what scenario will get more than 5000 people to a game?

"The experience with the AFL 10 years ago when we had a casual year-by-year arrangement where we didn't have a team, AFL crowds were at that [5000] level.

"There was no momentum. So we need to hear from Capital Football and from a potential bidder about what they're going to do.

"To put it in the simplest terms, the government is not going to spend millions and millions of dollars to invest and not make anything back if the crowds are only going to be 5000 people.

"We can follow two paths. Either go for major tournaments and the Socceroos and invest in that, or we can pursue an A-League path. But we can't do both."

Barr has floated the prospect of buying the current Canberra Stadium site off the Australian Sports Commission as the parties prepare to renegotiate the terms of a $350,000 per year lease.

The government says it is unlikely to invest significant money at Canberra Stadium to keep it up to date with the industry standard after changes to the lease, which raised the payment from $1 to $350,000.

It leaves Canberra Stadium at risk of falling further behind the rest of the venues in Australia and the government says it cannot afford to build a new stadium in Civic until at least 2025.

It is hoped the government can strike a partnership with ANU to build a 50 metre pool at the university to free up the land at the site of the Civic Pool.

However, the orientation of the proposed new stadium and whether its surface is real grass or synthetic could add massive costs to the build.

The Brumbies and the Raiders are keen for real turf given there are still concerns about player safety on a synthetic field.

But that would mean changing the direction of the stadium and impact plans to move Parkes Way.

"The playing surface issue is a problem, too," Barr said.

"Trying to get grass to grow in winter and not cook in summer in a greenhouse is an issue.

"So the orientation is significant and the advice I have does mean moving Parkes Way. If that costs hundreds of millions of dollars, that would add to the cost of the project and you'd have to look at other sites.

"We need to develop further work ... Neither rugby league or rugby union are prepared to commit to playing on an entirely synthetic surface."
 

Perth Red

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Given how rich the raiders LC is, is it worth their while owning an Aleague club in order to get a new stadium? Could call them Canberra Vikings and have shared colours etc.
 

The Great Dane

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Given how rich the raiders LC is, is it worth their while owning an Aleague club in order to get a new stadium? Could call them Canberra Vikings and have shared colours etc.

I don't want to go into a huge post, so without going into detail suffice it to say that the Raiders wouldn't go for it, Capital Football wouldn't go for it, by and large ACT soccer fans would detest it, the FFA wouldn't go for it cause Canberra isn't a suburb of Melbourne, Sydney, or Brisbane, Canberra Vikings is a brand that is already in use (RU), and Barr would find a new excuse not to build the stadium anyway cause it's really about getting a "multipurpose" stadium for his AFL friends and not about the economics of it...

I know that a lot of people will think this is mad and everything, but the Raiders would be better off trying to get in with a developer and building their own stadium at the Braddon Rugby League Park where they want to build their centre of excellence, they already own the land, it's in at least as good a spot as the civic pool (the proposed site of the new stadium) if not a lot better spot actually, they'd own the best stadium in the city and be charging their main competitors to use it, if they built a good sized multistory car park that'd draw in a lot of cash as well as there's a huge lack of parking space in that part of the city, they wouldn't be reliant on the government for stadiums and the such anymore, etc, etc...

That field in Braddon is prime rel-estate, building a glorified training pitch and gym on it is a massive waste, the centre of excellence can be built anywhere in the city and still serve it's purpose, hell buy Raiders HQ from the government and build it there, but that spot in Braddon would be much better used on other things for the Raiders.
 

Raiderdave

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I don't want to go into a huge post, so without going into detail suffice it to say that the Raiders wouldn't go for it, Capital Football wouldn't go for it, by and large ACT soccer fans would detest it, the FFA wouldn't go for it cause Canberra isn't a suburb of Melbourne, Sydney, or Brisbane, Canberra Vikings is a brand that is already in use (RU), and Barr would find a new excuse not to build the stadium anyway cause it's really about getting a "multipurpose" stadium for his AFL friends and not about the economics of it...

I know that a lot of people will think this is mad and everything, but the Raiders would be better off trying to get in with a developer and building their own stadium at the Braddon Rugby League Park where they want to build their centre of excellence, they already own the land, it's in at least as good a spot as the civic pool (the proposed site of the new stadium) if not a lot better spot actually, they'd own the best stadium in the city and be charging their main competitors to use it, if they built a good sized multistory car park that'd draw in a lot of cash as well as there's a huge lack of parking space in that part of the city, they wouldn't be reliant on the government for stadiums and the such anymore, etc, etc...

That field in Braddon is prime rel-estate, building a glorified training pitch and gym on it is a massive waste, the centre of excellence can be built anywhere in the city and still serve it's purpose, hell buy Raiders HQ from the government and build it there, but that spot in Braddon would be much better used on other things for the Raiders.

its a nice idea
but a pipe dream , no single sporting entity in the country let alone the Raiders could afford the 300 million plus price tag to build their own stadium even if it where in cahoots with a developer
they don't pay a great deal to play at GIO now & won't pay too much more to play at a new venue either that the Govt would pay for , they'd get some return on their own venue through sponsorship catering & pourage etc but the interest alone PA on the outlay would be millions more

its a huge financial risk & the benefits don't outweigh that risk
 

The Great Dane

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its a nice idea
but a pipe dream , no single sporting entity in the country let alone the Raiders could afford the 300 million plus price tag to build their own stadium even if it where in cahoots with a developer

The Raiders football club definitely couldn't afford it no, but the Raiders group with the right developer, a bit of rationality and willingness to compromise, maybe some help from the NRL... Then yeah who knows.

And who says that it's going to cost $300 million? If the Raiders were going to build their own stadium of course they probably can't afford a state of the art roofed 30 thousand-seater or whatever, but they may be able to pull off a smaller 15k-20k seater with room to expand, chuck in a reasonably sized multistory car-park and maybe even some retail and/or residential space and who knows...

I mean frigging GWS and the AFL found a developer willing to help them re-devlop Manuka to the tune of $800 million dollars, with apartments and a bloody hotel built into the stadium! It fell through cause of nimbys and the government, but if they can get that sort of interest for a project in Manuka on government owned land, then surely there is interest out there for a similar develop plan basically right in the heart city on land that isn't owned by the government!
I mean f##k if the Raiders can draw half the investment that GWS and the AFL drew then they've got your $300mil stadium with cash to spare!

they don't pay a great deal to play at GIO now & won't pay too much more to play at a new venue either that the Govt would pay for , they'd get some return on their own venue through sponsorship catering & pourage etc but the interest alone PA on the outlay would be millions more

Really is that right? Ok then how much rent do they pay to use Bruce then?

I know it cost the government roughly $350k a year, but how much it actually cost the Raiders isn't clear at all, and what exactly are they getting for that price? A totally inadequate and out dated stadium, situated in a terrible spot, that is probably costing them millions in gate takings each year.
And don't pretend that you have the faintest clue how much rent will cost for the new stadium, cause nobody knows that, not even the bloody government, and frankly stop talking about a "new venue" as if it's just around the corner cause it's not, I'll be surprised if construction has even started a decade from now the way things are going...

its a huge financial risk & the benefits don't outweigh that risk

You don't know that, nobody knows that, cause the studies have never been done, the Raiders have never looked into it as a possibility at all.

I mean they want and need a new stadium, at what point do they give up on the bureaucracy and stop relying on the taxpayer to subsidise what is effectively their private business and attempt to be the change they want to see?
 

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