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Gallop you are a deadset JOKE!!!

RLS

Juniors
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Everyone having a spit about the refereeing this year should go straight around to referee school and sign up, there are so many budding referees here it's not funny, and just think of the amount of mistake free refereeing we will see in the future.

David Gallop is 100% the man for the job.
 

lazza

Juniors
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this is what i find silly.. every year everyone bitches about the refs... they contemplate bringing in 2 refs, and everyones saying they dont need 2 refs..

the game's gone too fast.. they need 2 refs.. 1 at the play the ball and 1 at the line!!!!
 

Anon

Bench
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I'll start giving it to the refs the day that all players are able to play mistake free football.

Or maybe the day the Bulldogs lose a game due to a bad call by a match official. ;-)
 

ibeme

First Grade
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Anon said:
I'll start giving it to the refs the day that all players are able to play mistake free football.

Or maybe the day the Bulldogs lose a game due to a bad call by a match official. ;-)

Bulldogs have had bad decisions believe it or not. They just don't let those decisions beat them
 

Surandy

Bench
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_Johnsy said:
Why not have 3 video refs to keep a constant eye on whats happening, and then get on the blower to the idiot in the middle, and say Utai knocked it on? After the weekends poor effort anything is an improvement.

Excellent idea, as long as one of those video refs isn't Mick Stone.
 

lazza

Juniors
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704
_Johnsy said:
Why not have 3 video refs to keep a constant eye on whats happening, and then get on the blower to the idiot in the middle, and say Utai knocked it on? After the weekends poor effort anything is an improvement.

or just use the vdo ref watching a 5-10sec delayed clip, and just tell the guy in the middle over the mic. everyone on tv saw it!
 
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lazza said:
_Johnsy said:
Why not have 3 video refs to keep a constant eye on whats happening, and then get on the blower to the idiot in the middle, and say Utai knocked it on? After the weekends poor effort anything is an improvement.

or just use the vdo ref watching a 5-10sec delayed clip, and just tell the guy in the middle over the mic. everyone on tv saw it!

A sensible solution. I'd also suggest sending every try to the video ref and allowing the coaches and players to say whatever they like about the referees performance after the game has finished. They shouldn't be bulletproof and surely their egos aren't that fragile that they can't handle criticism.
 

Bengal

Juniors
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The poor ref, who would want to be one? Like everyone I get upset over their decisions, in the heat of the moment I cuss and call them every name under the sun, but when the battle's over it's (mainly) all forgotten. I hold no grudges towards them. Refs are such a valuable component of any sport, it annoys me that the get so much sh*t, they are only doing their best.
The main fault is the amount and type of scrutiny they are under. I would love to see the commentators backing themselves without the use of a dozen replays before giving it to the ref.
“The ref got he wrong” they say “he’s a mug” they say, but only after seeing a replay or two.. Never or rarely do they catch a mistake without the aid of a replay?
How often do they the commentators get it wrong? Here they are (here we are) sitting on our collective arses unable or rarely able to make a decision or back ourselves against a ref’s decision without the aid of a replay. It sucks!

I’m with Gus in saying the video ref needs to get back to just making try-time decisions. It may not be good from a fans point of view, but both the players and the refs are becoming increasingly more confused from the input of the video ref and that cannot be good for the game further down the line.
 

gaterooze

Bench
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Gibbsy made an interesting point on the radio regarding the Matt Utai no-knock-on kerfluffle -- even though that error resulted in a Bulldogs try, it may have fired the Tigers up to get back into the game the way they did. If that error was not made, maybe they wouldn't have played with as much intensity, and actually lost by an even greater margin? Who can say? A mistake like that can change the course of a game, the vibe of a game, dramatically - sometimes to the advantage of the team hard done by.

It sounds paradoxical, but ya never know.
 

gaterooze

Bench
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Re: the video ref.

They MUST update his technology.

For a try/no-try, the video ref should have at least 3 SIMULTANEOUS feeds from 3 different camera angles, all synched by SMPTE timecode. That way, he can advance the footage by a single frame and see the exact same moment from 3 different angles, frame-by-frame, for direct comparison. Only way to triangulate exact positioning.

This is the best way to truly make accurate decisions on several try/no-try issues like grounding, offside, knock-on, etc.
 

_Johnsy

Referee
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Gatergooze, exactly who knows what would have eventuated. The point is a decision like that one has too much of an impact on a game. The tigers may not have won, but they also may have. It is not beyond the realms of reality to say that the utai decision has had a HUGE!!!! impact on their season. Referees incorrect decisions should not impact on a teams chances to win a game, and that one did.

"For a try/no-try, the video ref should have at least 3 SIMULTANEOUS feeds from 3 different camera angles, all synched by SMPTE timecode. That way, he can advance the footage by a single frame and see the exact same moment from 3 different angles, frame-by-frame, for direct comparison. Only way to triangulate exact positioning. "

Bloody brilliant technology, why not use it, we should be talking about how great the footy is (nq v new, and nz v canb) not wrong decisions, especially this far out from the finals.
 

GAME FIRST

Juniors
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387
The Tigers had several other chances to score if good enogh BUT THEY WERE NOT GOOD ENOGH!!

D Halatau should have dived earlier and grounded the ball-is anyone out there crititsizing him-no- why? he would have won the match for the tigers- and at the end when there was a 4 on 2 with 10 seconds left on tigers left, the ball went out there too slow and cost a try for sure!!

Anyone blaming the ref for tigers actually losing are WRONG-they played well and could have won but did not take their chances given!!!!!!!!!!

And that is a .!!!!!!!!!!!
 

_Johnsy

Referee
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GF

No one is blaming the ref for the tigers getting done. We are discussing wether or not that decision had too much of an impact on the outcome of the game. The game should be decided by missed tackles, knock ons etc, and that game was decided by those things and that decision. The decision may not have cost the tiges the win but it did have too much of an impact on the outcome.
 

Bengal

Juniors
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877
We'll never have enough refs, video refs, replays, camera angles etc to satisfy everybody, so we may as well be done with the (majority) of it and go back to what we had before i.e. one ref, two linesmen and a video ref adjudicating on try-time decisions only.
 
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