Galvin v the Tigers

[Marshall_magic]

If anyone thinks any player walks away from a guaranteed 7-figure-a-season deal without knowing exactly where they are going to, I have a bridge to sell you.

throw in how bullish Parramatta are about signing him. I find it hard to believe they are at least part of the way down the road to getting a deal done. Ryles’ candor when speaking about being in for him is something you don’t see when speaking about a player with 18 months left on a contract.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

If anyone thinks any player walks away from a guaranteed 7-figure-a-season deal without knowing exactly where they are going to, I have a bridge to sell you.

That's exactly right, and doesn't it highlight how irrelevant the Nov 1 anti-tampering (or whatever it's called) deadline is? He will go to Parra, we'll all know the conversations happened well before Nov 1, but nothing will happen.

 

[Canard]

That's exactly right, and doesn't it highlight how irrelevant the Nov 1 anti-tampering (or whatever it's called) deadline is? He will go to Parra, we'll all know the conversations happened well before Nov 1, but nothing will happen.

Haven't the Tigers ostensibly given him permission to talk to other clubs though?

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Haven't the Tigers ostensibly given him permission to talk to other clubs though?

How so? Genuine question.

 

[Canard]

How so? Genuine question.

They have publicly announced he will not be there post his current contract.

So for mine they don't care where he signs for 2027.

 

[Tiger5150]

They have publicly announced he will not be there post his current contract.

So for mine they don't care where he signs for 2027.

He has a Contract until the end of 2026, what is the hurry to sign with another club? Unless of course he already has one lined up, in contravention of the anti tampering laws?

Why would a club want to sign him now before November 2025 when he could snap an ACL, or have a catstrophic form slump? Unless they already have an offer made and accepted in principle?

 

[Penrose Warrior]

They have publicly announced he will not be there post his current contract.

So for mine they don't care where he signs for 2027.

Yeah OK, I hear you...but I wouldn't necessarily see it that way. They tried to re-sign him, he said he wasn't going to - which, purely on face value, is his right - so it wasn't like they didn't care, they just got to a point where they couldn't care, because it wasn't with them so it's not of their interest (unless they can get some value in a swap for 2026, which doesn't seem likely)

So no I wouldn't say they gave him permission... they tried to go early to extend him, which seems like they need to read the room better, he said no, so ostensibly he now has permission on his own doing of saying no.

 

[Canard]

He has a Contract until the end of 2026, what is the hurry to sign with another club? Unless of course he already has one lined up, in contravention of the anti tampering laws?

Why would a club want to sign him now before November 2025 when he could snap an ACL, or have a catstrophic form slump? Unless they already have an offer made and accepted in principle?

Clubs do it all the time.

If he club consents to him looking elsewhere there is no "breach".

 

[Penrose Warrior]

He has a Contract until the end of 2026, what is the hurry to sign with another club? Unless of course he already has one lined up, in contravention of the anti tampering laws?

Why would a club want to sign him now before November 2025 when he could snap an ACL, or have a catstrophic form slump? Unless they already have an offer made and accepted in principle?

Those anti-tampering laws may as well be written in fairy dust. They're meaningless. If Parra signs him, we're all smart enough to know the talks have commenced...and it isn't Nov 1. So will the Eels face sanctions? I bet they don't, because 'how can you prove it'.

I guess a club would want to sign him before Nov 1 to get ahead of other clubs. I know a lot of clubs have pulled out of the race but a few haven't, and it's in their interest to get in Moses' ear who would sell Galvin to the Satan's Hell Beelzebubs - and only for the away games - for the right price.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Clubs do it all the time.

If he club consents to him looking elsewhere there is no "breach".

But they're not consenting to it.

Club Statement: Lachlan Galvin

We would like to announce that Lachlan Galvin will not be with the club beyond the 2026 season.

www.weststigers.com.au

Nowhere there does it say that. In fact, it says this:

It should be noted that the club has no intention of releasing Lachlan from his contract, and he has not requested this.

So no, there would still be a breach because they intend him to stay until the end of 2026, which means Nov 1, 2025 and before is a breach of anti tampering laws

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I'm sure there's been other instances and recency bias is affecting me, but I can't remember a club f**king up a situation worse than the Tigs have.

Now Jack Bird is saying he never lost any trust in the playing group, Benji refuses to say why he didn't play last week but is this week, it's just a circus of their own making.

 

[Tiger5150]

Clubs do it all the time.

If he club consents to him looking elsewhere there is no "breach".

Why would/should they?

 

[Tiger5150]

they tried to go early to extend him, which seems like they need to read the room better,

The Tigers had to "go early" to offer to extend him because they have a competitive advantage over other clubs in that they can offer him extra money for 2025, 2026 to sweeten the deal and potentially be able to offer him more than other clubs without the cap hit moving forward.

Additionally, it was in Galvins interests for the Club to "go early" in offering him the extension. Galvin is on only $250K this year and $350K for next year and he is clearly worth more and wants more (the reason for his request to leave last year). Tigers are willing to pay him more but only if he extends.

Not "going early" would have been malpractice by the Tigers and potentially costing Galvin money so they did the right thing but clearly his camp & Parra have poisoned the water.

he said no, so ostensibly he now has permission on his own doing of saying no.

Still nope. Club needs to give permission and they wont unless they get a benefit.

 

[Tiger5150]

Clubs do it all the time.

If he club consents to him looking elsewhere there is no "breach".

Remind me again of when the Tigers gave Galvin permission to look elsewhere and negotiate with Parra (or anyone else)? If they didnt, is there a breach?

 

[Tiger5150]

Those anti-tampering laws may as well be written in fairy dust. They're meaningless. If Parra signs him, we're all smart enough to know the talks have commenced...and it isn't Nov 1. So will the Eels face sanctions? I bet they don't, because 'how can you prove it'.

So how do you fix that? By enforcing it. What is the purpose of a law unless you enforce it.

Its not as hard to prove as you might think and even if it is hard, they should attempt to enforce it and put Parra through the wringer. I know for a fact that the Tigers have significant circumstantial proof of Parra breaching the anti tampering laws wrt Galvin, at least enough to make the NRL ask Parramatta & Moses to answer some difficult questions. Even if you dont get a "conviction" it might be enough, with the threat of financial sanctions to make clubs think twice before doing it again.

The NFL do it very successfully and its no easier to prove over there than it would be here. In the NFL, Ryles comments last week would have been a breach and copped a fine.

I guess a club would want to sign him before Nov 1 to get ahead of other clubs. I know a lot of clubs have pulled out of the race but a few haven't, and it's in their interest to get in Moses' ear who would sell Galvin to the Satan's Hell Beelzebubs - and only for the away games - for the right price.

Particularly if you can do it with no consequences.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

The Tigers had to "go early" to offer to extend him because they have a competitive advantage over other clubs in that they can offer him extra money for 2025, 2026 to sweeten the deal and potentially be able to offer him more than other clubs without the cap hit moving forward.

Additionally, it was in Galvins interests for the Club to "go early" in offering him the extension. Galvin is on only $250K this year and $350K for next year and he is clearly worth more and wants more (the reason for his request to leave last year). Tigers are willing to pay him more but only if he extends.

Not "going early" would have been malpractice by the Tigers and potentially costing Galvin money so they did the right thing but clearly his camp & Parra have poisoned the water.


Still nope. Club needs to give permission and they wont unless they get a benefit.

Yeah I completely hear what you're saying but apparently Galvin agitated for a release last year, and clearly he doesn't want to be a Tiger. Why were they not aware of that? Or did they think there was a million reasons a year he'd look past that fact (ignoring that someone else would likely pay him similar or the same)?

I don't have a problem with them going early but from all I read, and yes be aware of believing what you read, he was never going to want to stay. He proved that by what his statement said.

And yeah, his camp no doubt poisoned the water. As another poster said, there's very little likelihood he turns down a $1m a year, 5-year deal if he doesn't know one exists similarly somewhere else, so yeah Parra are in his ear, no question.

And yes, they still do need to give permission, 100%. They should not release him, unless they get something in return given he's on f**k all of their cap. And they won't, so they shouldn't.

But again, the Eels are not going to get sanctioned even though blind Freddy could see they have breached the Nov 1 anti-tampering deadline. Has a club ever been penalised for going before that date?

 

[Penrose Warrior]

So how do you fix that? By enforcing it. What is the purpose of a law unless you enforce it.

Its not as hard to prove as you might think and even if it is hard, they should attempt to enforce it and put Parra through the wringer. I know for a fact that the Tigers have significant circumstantial proof of Parra breaching the anti tampering laws wrt Galvin, at least enough to make the NRL ask Parramatta & Moses to answer some difficult questions. Even if you dont get a "conviction" it might be enough, with the threat of financial sanctions to make clubs think twice before doing it again.

The NFL do it very successfully and its no easier to prove over there than it would be here. In the NFL, Ryles comments last week would have been a breach and copped a fine.


Particularly if you can do it with no consequences.

I agree mate, 100%. If the law exists, they should be enforcing it. And as fans, as I'm sure you're feeling now, it is a kick in the nuts when you know another side is breaking the rules to steal your players. It needs to be enforced, or the law changed to make it workable and fair on clubs, but also fans that they expect a contract to be a contract.

 

[Tiger5150]

Yeah I completely hear what you're saying but apparently Galvin agitated for a release last year, and clearly he doesn't want to be a Tiger. Why were they not aware of that? Or did they think there was a million reasons a year he'd look past that fact (ignoring that someone else would likely pay him similar or the same)?

They were completely aware of Galvin agitating for a release last year. The reason was that he was on only $250K adn already being feted as a superstar. Richo went around to his parents house and had dinner with the family and committed to a large increase for 25 & 26 wrapped into an extension and his family were happy with this (source: Richos mouth first hand).

I don't have a problem with them going early but from all I read, and yes be aware of believing what you read, he was never going to want to stay. He proved that by what his statement said.

8 weeks ago Moses was talking to Tigers about length of deal. Everything changed after Dylan Brown signed with Newy. I wonder why?

 

[Penrose Warrior]

They were completely aware of Galvin agitating for a release last year. The reason was that he was on only $250K adn already being feted as a superstar. Richo went around to his parents house and had dinner with the family and committed to a large increase for 25 & 26 wrapped into an extension and his family were happy with this (source: Richos mouth first hand).


8 weeks ago Moses was talking to Tigers about length of deal. Everything changed after Dylan Brown signed with Newy. I wonder why?

OK sweet, it wasn't necessarily that he wanted out, just more money. Makes sense. That changes what I thought I'd learned from the last week or two.

And yeah makes complete sense that someone like Moses would use that situation to redirect Galvin into the hole Brown leaves, and wanting to take a full bag of cash with him there, as well.

 

[MKCS]

Those anti-tampering laws may as well be written in fairy dust. They're meaningless. If Parra signs him, we're all smart enough to know the talks have commenced...and it isn't Nov 1. So will the Eels face sanctions? I bet they don't, because 'how can you prove it'.

I guess a club would want to sign him before Nov 1 to get ahead of other clubs. I know a lot of clubs have pulled out of the race but a few haven't, and it's in their interest to get in Moses' ear who would sell Galvin to the Satan's Hell Beelzebubs - and only for the away games - for the right price.

Yeah, it does fall into a "How can you prove it" situation but also I think every club would do it and know how to work around it.

Galvin is obviously either in advanced discussions with a club right now or has a verbal agreement with a club that will be made official after November 1st. Him, his manager and his new club (Probably the Eels) will be pushing for him to get out of his contract early and be there for 2026.

DCE in the same boat, obviously he can currently negotiate but he swears he hasn't agreed to anything or signed anything yet which I find highly doubtful. He's probably already signed a deal under the proviso that it isn't announced until he wants it to be.