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'Give 'em back': clubs demand

gong_eagle

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Article from:
By Dean Ritchie
June 28, 2007 12:00am

NRL chief executives are angry State of Origin stars worth $12 million remain sidelined for this weekend's round of football even though Wednesday's night third match is a dead-rubber.
Sea Eagles chief executive Grant Mayer will ask the NRL and ARL to consider vetoing a rule which prevents players playing club football before a dead-rubber Origin game.
Melbourne chief executive Brian Waldron agreed by saying: "Clubs shouldn't be punished in a dead-rubber. The focus now should be finals and premiership.''
Broncos CEO Bruno Cullen and North Queensland boss Peter Parr agreed the game's hierachy should consider allowing players to play club football the weekend before a dead-rubber game.
Manly play St George Illawarra this Sunday at Kogarah in a Channel Nine game without four players - Brent Kite, Steve Bell, Jamie Lyon and Brett Stewart - worth a combined total of $1.4 million.
"It's crazy,'' Mayer told The Daily Telegraph. "I understand State of Origin is the blue ribbon event of the rugby league calendar but it is a dead series now. "Surely the focus must now return to the NRL leading into the finals.
"To have that many first graders (34) on the sidelines at this crucial stage of the season isn't good for the game. We have four players out and it is the Channel Nine match - one we are showcasing.
"Being a dead-rubber, surely we could take the common sense approach and let the players play for the clubs that pay them. There's no reason why they can't back up. I want to contact the NRL and ask them why this many stars won't be playing this weekend.''

There could be an argument that players would then be exposed to burn-out by playing more football but Waldron is adamant Origin players should be available for clubs if the series has already been won.
"If it's a dead-rubber then clubs shouldn't be restricted access to their players,'' Waldron said. "I am a great supporter of the State of Origin concept but next Wednesday night, the players will be dancing with their sisters.
"The third game this year is about pride. Not the result.'' Cullen and Parr also agreed the matter should be reviewed.
"It something worth considering,'' Cullen said. "It's not something I would brush. It sounds quite attractive. We have had better seasons so it would be nice going to Penrith (on Saturday night) at full strength.''
Parr added: "I think it should considered. In principle I agree.'' However ARL chief executive Geoff Carr rejected the idea, saying all Origin matches should be treated as "events''.
"This event is guaranteed to be the biggest rating event in Queensland. The Maroons want humiliation,'' Carr said. "It will rate highly in NSW and Melbourne. It will only do that if you treat each game as an event.
"It isn't a series. Each match is an event-game. To say the last game is a waste of time would correspond with a decrease in media coverage and TV audience.''
The NRL wants to keep the current system, aware the enormous revenue raised through Origin is used to fund clubs. Meanwhile NSW halfback Brett Kimmorley predicted his side would play a more expansive game next Wednesday evening - and have some fun.
"The pressure won't be the same as if it was one-all. At one-all you play more for field position and not want to make mistakes,'' he said. "In this game we might be able to chance our arm.
"I don't think our focus will change but the pressure is off and we might be able to try a few things. But we'll still have to be selective and not throw passes over our head and out the back.''
NSW forward Willie Mason added: "We've been playing within ourselves. I think we have to play some football.''
 

Dr Crane

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Even though we're losing our best player, i disagree completely with this.

If we take this reasoning, perhaps they should play the weekend before game one - after all, that game isn't going to decide the series.
 

Kornstar

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So let me get this straight, first they think players are playing too many games, now they are happy for these players to play in more games? So when it suits them they can play as many games as they want?
 

JoeD

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Why can't they claim they have injuries like they do when NZ players want to play test matches?
 

Stagger eel

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funny how they whinge about it now...why didn't they bring the issue up 6 months ago?
 

Meanie

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Do they really want their players playing 3 games in the space of 7-9 days? Wouldn't that be a poor "investment" decision, being as they seem to be referring to players there in dollar value rather than the fact they're human beings.
 

Bigfella

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Grant Mayer should be happy anyway ... someone is taking Jamie Lyon off his hands for a week. They may have a chance this weekend.
 

ozbash

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heard this song before, usually whern theres a test to be played and your a kiwi.

aussies never cease to surprise.......
 

Mr Saab

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Ludicrous to have them play 3 games in 5 days.
Willie Mason and Andrew Ryan would have to play Monday vs the chooks, then QLD weds and then back up for the weekend game.
 

Pierced Soul

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what a load of crap. I think if they want all players available they should play origin as a stand alone on the weekend. of coruse this would involve the cutting of rounds which clubs wont agree on either...

they should be balming the blues hierarchy for picking such a crap team which couldnt make it into a contest
 

The_Savage_1

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what happens if players get injured in the club game. would then have to rush replacements in with limited preparation. would make game 3 a farce.

personally, i think dead rubbers mean a lot to both teams. the leading team wants to sweep and the losing desparately wants to avoid it, plus there's the overall standings which are so close.
 

Nathan B

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It is absolutely ridiculous that players aren't allowed to play for their clubs at any time during a season let alone because of a meaningless rep game. I can't think of another sport around the world in which this happens. And it's especially pathetic when the NRL competition is so close. Teams will miss out on finals footy by a single game. Heck, teams will miss out on finals footy because of for and against. From a Bulldogs perspective, our game against the Roosters has turned from one which would've been relatively comfortable after a solid win at Manly (as much as a game these days can be comfortable), to a real struggle because we've got one of the worst benches I've ever seen.

And to those talking about player burn out. That's not the point. The point is about choice. If a player, coach and club think he's right to play 3 games in x days, then so be it. A coach might decide to rest some of his origin stars before origin and the rest the game after. At the moment they don't really have a choice. They can't really afford to rest players after origin because they were forced to rest them beforehand and will no doubt be desperate for the points.
 

Kurt Angle

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I agree, this is turning into more and more like the wank soccer does.

Fine Manly, melbourne and Brisbane $100,000 each as a deterrent to every other NRL club.. "keep your mouth shut".
 

CharlieF

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Nathan B said:
It is absolutely ridiculous that players aren't allowed to play for their clubs at any time during a season let alone because of a meaningless rep game. I can't think of another sport around the world in which this happens. And it's especially pathetic when the NRL competition is so close. Teams will miss out on finals footy by a single game. Heck, teams will miss out on finals footy because of for and against. From a Bulldogs perspective, our game against the Roosters has turned from one which would've been relatively comfortable after a solid win at Manly (as much as a game these days can be comfortable), to a real struggle because we've got one of the worst benches I've ever seen.

And to those talking about player burn out. That's not the point. The point is about choice. If a player, coach and club think he's right to play 3 games in x days, then so be it. A coach might decide to rest some of his origin stars before origin and the rest the game after. At the moment they don't really have a choice. They can't really afford to rest players after origin because they were forced to rest them beforehand and will no doubt be desperate for the points.

I agree.

Should be the Club's and players choice whether they want to play the week before SOO, like it is if they want to backup after SOO.

Unfortunetly they don't get the choice because the ARL/NRL has made that decision for them, rightly or wrongly.
 
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This actually affects the knights worst of all, our for and against is terrible and potentially(obviously some of the teams on 14 points play eachother) could drop back 6 places.

Filthy that we are missing our stars, and would be even if it was a decider.
 

Jono078

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IMO there shouldnt even be a third game.

It should be a best out of 3 series, so if a team wins it in 2, well that's it, it's over.
 

CharlieF

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Kurt Angle said:
I agree, this is turning into more and more like the wank soccer does.

Fine Manly, melbourne and Brisbane $100,000 each as a deterrent to every other NRL club.. "keep your mouth shut".

Don't compare the 2 sports. They are not even close. The combined salaries of every NRL clubs players would still not pay for a top line international soccer player in Europe. It may be enougth for the transfer fee though. Just based on these huge sums of money, no national soccer team can demand that a club stand down a player unless the 2 games clash.
 

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