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Gold Coast Titans,a disgrace

Sull

Juniors
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196
I know many league fans here on the GC that started out supporting the Titans when they entered the comp, they had a good brand, a decent team and they were marketed very well. After a few years those supporters that I know have stopped going to games, have not renewed their memberships and some have become members of the Suns. I usually don't like to generalize but certain population elements of the GC can be very fickle. Instant results were what the Titans lacked in this market. I also live very close to Skilled Stadium and know that because of the inept GC public transport system many will not travel from the surrounding district to the stadium. There is no where to have a few drinks before games near the stadium ( a bar was supposed to built but has never eventuated). It does build atmosphere before games when you can have a few beforehand.
 

Willow

Assistant Moderator
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Granted, all your points make perfect sense, but I just can't understand why the Gold Coast has had 3 cracks at establishing themselves and apparently failed each time, yet the Sharks have managed to survive, albeit only just, with all their shortcomings, for 45 years?

Surely something is not right in the region somewhere...

And who's to say the Sharks would have fared any better if they'd relocated there?
When you 'they', let's be clear and remember that we are talking about different personnel each time on the GC. These were different 'clubs' with different people in charge.

The first time was in Tweed Heads. Seagulls is technically a NSW club. The football team had management issues.

The Chargers also had management issues. But they still turned a profit.

If you compare the GC's problems back then with the problems of other clubs, it's pretty obvious that there was more at play then just a lack of onfield success and crowd numbers. Half the clubs were struggling and crowd figures were down. Then, as with now, the problems on the GC can be resolved, just as they been resolved with other first grade clubs.

Historically, and generaly speaking, the reasons given for giving a club the flick fall into the following categories:

1. Geographic - no longer room for growth.
2. Financial - unable to remain viable or fund recruitment.
3. Lack of onfield success.
4. Little or no fan base.

All of these points are related to each other. It can be said that a strong geographic location can lead to an improving fan base. Equally, a strong financial base can lead to onfield success. On the other side of the coin, if they have a poor location and no money, it's hard to see how a club could survive. But amazingly, some (eg the sharks) manage to hang on.

I say historically because since 1908, all the clubs that have been omitted from the NSWRL/ARL/NRL have been given some or all of these reasons. Glebe, University, Newtown for example were all struggling on at least three out of the four points.

But the Gold Coast in the 1990s were strong on two of these points, the two most important points of geography and money. So why were they omitted? That's where they became the exception to history because politics played a larger part in their demise in 1998. When the Super League war finished, deals were being struck and part of that involved the Brisbane Broncos receiving the entire SE Qld franchise for a period of five years. This is a fact, some Broncos fans argue about it but it is public record. The new NRL administration omitted Gold Coast from the comp - not really because of the usual reasons, but because it was in the Broncos' contract.

So when people say the GC have had 3 (or some wags say, 5) chances, they are really looking at it from the surface. A little bit of digging will reveal that these were different clubs, and in 1998 there a precedent in place with the heady politics of the day taking over.

Now compare it to the sharks who have poor location, no money, no onfield success and a dwindling fan base, and ask yourself if the the right team was given the flick in 1998.

If the sharks relocated in the late 90s/early 2000s, they would received a healthy grant from the NRL, plus the support of GC Council, businesses as well as the GC bid team's financial support. It was always a big IF though because club boards (especially in Sydney) tend to become complicated when big decisions have to be made. In the end, the GC bid team decided to stand alone.

One more thing before I catch my flight to the beaut land known as Jubilee...

It is a false claim to say the GC have been "boosting their crowd figures since day 1" (from St.phil). The fact is that when they won the bid, the GC crowds were great. They have had a drop in numbers since then but there are reasons for this: team isn't travelling as well, Robina costs too much, transport and parking needs improving - all these are issues that can be resolved. There's plenty of land out at Robina, plenty of room for growth. They should restructure the pricing at the game, it's turning people off. Plus with onfield success, the crowds will increase again.

As for Searle's Centre of Excellence, in my opinion it was a mistake. And one that he and the Titans will have to recover from. Just a case of trying to grow too fast. It was always unneccessary as the sports centre at Runaway Bay is world class. The Titans were already using those facilities.
 

Reyter

Juniors
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264
One more thing before I catch my flight to the beaut land known as Jubilee...

Good points but you are flying from the GC to Sydney just for the Dragons game? You are obviously very rich and a very dedicated Dragons fan. I'm just a worker in the frozen north but I will be there in spirit.
 

j0nesy

Bench
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3,747
The NRL has to have a team on the Gold Coast. They've got a perfect stadium, plenty of sponsorship opportunity, good crowds, good juniors and most importantly it keeps AFL from gaining market dominance in a rugby league region.
 

Blood Shot Eyes

First Grade
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6,448
There are Asian people all over Australia. Makes for great restaurants. But BSE, just so you know, Asian people have been known to follow Rugby League as well.

I never understood the logic behind not trying to sell the greatest game of all to people simply because on their racial background.

For example, after a game at Kogarah, a few of us went to Hurstville and had soft shelled crabs in a Chinese restaurant. All the other diners were Asian and no English was being spoken. On the wall were two big TV screens showing a replay of the game and people were into it. It shoudn't be no surprise. After all, we were in Saints territory.

I agree Willow regarding we should be trying to sell the game to the Asian folk, but the cold hard facts are Leagues been around for years and so have they but seriously how many do you see at our game compared with other sports etc...and as for them sitting in the restaurant and being "into it" as you say , how many of them were actually at the game.......I could be eating in an Italian restaurant watching Soccer but it doesnt mean they get my money through the turnstyles.......
 
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clifford

Juniors
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178
I went to the dragons titans game in rd1 last year. Local team that had a terrific 2010 playing the defending premiers, i expected a sellout.
Turns out the rowd was about 12000 and we outnumbered the locals 2 to 1

Mate I went to that same game and couldn't believe how much we outnumbered there supporters hey. I thought for sure that game would be a sellout and they'd be there all ready to try get one over the defending premiers, and couldnt believe how much we outnumbered them hey. Just unfortunate we don't get a game there this yr. only one is in brisbane next weekend to go too.
 

Willow

Assistant Moderator
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Good points but you are flying from the GC to Sydney just for the Dragons game? You are obviously very rich and a very dedicated Dragons fan. I'm just a worker in the frozen north but I will be there in spirit.
Well it's not really a big expense. I bought a return ticket for $98 last December. If you keep an eye on the specials, it doesn't cost too much. Thanks to juanfarkall who alerts me to the good website deals. I stay at a friends house not too far from Kogarah.

I was brought up in Sydney so I guess I know my way around the place, but of course knowing people down there is a must. I'm sure you could be looked after Reyter.
 

RedVee

First Grade
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7,675
When you 'they', let's be clear and remember that we are talking about different personnel each time on the GC. These were different 'clubs' with different people in charge.

The first time was in Tweed Heads. Seagulls is technically a NSW club. The football team had management issues.

The Chargers also had management issues. But they still turned a profit.

If you compare the GC's problems back then with the problems of other clubs, it's pretty obvious that there was more at play then just a lack of onfield success and crowd numbers. Half the clubs were struggling and crowd figures were down. Then, as with now, the problems on the GC can be resolved, just as they been resolved with other first grade clubs.

Historically, and generaly speaking, the reasons given for giving a club the flick fall into the following categories:

1. Geographic - no longer room for growth.
2. Financial - unable to remain viable or fund recruitment.
3. Lack of onfield success.
4. Little or no fan base.

All of these points are related to each other. It can be said that a strong geographic location can lead to an improving fan base. Equally, a strong financial base can lead to onfield success. On the other side of the coin, if they have a poor location and no money, it's hard to see how a club could survive. But amazingly, some (eg the sharks) manage to hang on.

I say historically because since 1908, all the clubs that have been omitted from the NSWRL/ARL/NRL have been given some or all of these reasons. Glebe, University, Newtown for example were all struggling on at least three out of the four points.

But the Gold Coast in the 1990s were strong on two of these points, the two most important points of geography and money. So why were they omitted? That's where they became the exception to history because politics played a larger part in their demise in 1998. When the Super League war finished, deals were being struck and part of that involved the Brisbane Broncos receiving the entire SE Qld franchise for a period of five years. This is a fact, some Broncos fans argue about it but it is public record. The new NRL administration omitted Gold Coast from the comp - not really because of the usual reasons, but because it was in the Broncos' contract.

So when people say the GC have had 3 (or some wags say, 5) chances, they are really looking at it from the surface. A little bit of digging will reveal that these were different clubs, and in 1998 there a precedent in place with the heady politics of the day taking over.

Now compare it to the sharks who have poor location, no money, no onfield success and a dwindling fan base, and ask yourself if the the right team was given the flick in 1998.

If the sharks relocated in the late 90s/early 2000s, they would received a healthy grant from the NRL, plus the support of GC Council, businesses as well as the GC bid team's financial support. It was always a big IF though because club boards (especially in Sydney) tend to become complicated when big decisions have to be made. In the end, the GC bid team decided to stand alone.

One more thing before I catch my flight to the beaut land known as Jubilee...

It is a false claim to say the GC have been "boosting their crowd figures since day 1" (from St.phil). The fact is that when they won the bid, the GC crowds were great. They have had a drop in numbers since then but there are reasons for this: team isn't travelling as well, Robina costs too much, transport and parking needs improving - all these are issues that can be resolved. There's plenty of land out at Robina, plenty of room for growth. They should restructure the pricing at the game, it's turning people off. Plus with onfield success, the crowds will increase again.

As for Searle's Centre of Excellence, in my opinion it was a mistake. And one that he and the Titans will have to recover from. Just a case of trying to grow too fast. It was always unneccessary as the sports centre at Runaway Bay is world class. The Titans were already using those facilities.
The Sharks couldnot be flicked in 98, for the same reason the Gold Coast were. Politics surrounding the Super League peace. IMO.
 

Efresh

Coach
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12,382
I'm not sure a 2nd Brisbane team would work. Why would a fan support the newcomer when they have been a one club town for so long and that one club has had nearly unparalleled success for 25 years? Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast make much more sense to me.
 

Como Connection

First Grade
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6,181
When Searle tried to get a friend of mine to invest in the Titians about 2 years ago, his answer was "I will if you convert the centre of excellance into a licensed club", but Mr Know All Searle was not interested!! He's a buff head, and that is being kind as I know a bit about him from the Gold Coast Gladiator days. Get him out of there!!!!!
 

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