Grand finalists in the NRL vs AFL for the last 21 Years....

[mozza91]

2001 is the only year that matters merkin.

 

[King hit]

How would’ve people copped in the 50’s through to 1971 when St George and Souths won every premiership except for 1969

And who cares about the AFL

 

[firechild]

How would’ve people copped in the 50’s through to 1971 when St George and Souths won every premiership except for 1969

And who cares about the AFL

Who cares? Everyone knows that rugby league only really started in 1972.

Also, can the mods please merge this with every other discussion that's been had on this same exact point? It's been done ad nauseam.

 

[ReddFelon]

Clearly the AFL Model is a much Fairer model.....


What a wonderfully diverse comp.
I look forward to the diversity of the next 21 seasons as well.
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Seeing as you brought up fairness, thought I'd just add in that today the AFL granted the Gold Coast Suns a massive "emergency relief package" that gifts them 4 consecutive #1 draft picks in addition to the picks they already get and the entire city of Darwin as a junior catchment area, while stopping all rival clubs from bidding on any player in their junior academy system, which basically means they get 15 junior clubs in the NT and 11 in the Gold Coast that no other team is allowed to even offer a developmental contract to over the next 3 years to any player in those systems.

Talk "fairness" all you want, rugby league can at least fall back on the integrity of not allowing a team that has failed miserably, priority selection to the point of effectively restricting the right of a player to seek employment just to prop up a single club.

 

[skeepe]

Correct:

Roosters 2019
Raiders 2019
Storm 2018
Cowboys 2017
Sharks 2016
Broncos 2015
Rabbitohs 2014
Bulldogs 2014
Sea Eagles 2013
Warriors 2011
Dragons 2010
Eels 2009
Tigers 2005
Panthers 2003
Knights 2001
Titans N/A

The most important part of this post is that the longest active grand final drought now belongs to the Knights.

Long may it continue.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Seeing as you brought up fairness, thought I'd just add in that today the AFL granted the Gold Coast Suns a massive "emergency relief package" that gifts them 4 consecutive #1 draft picks in addition to the picks they already get and the entire city of Darwin as a junior catchment area, while stopping all rival clubs from bidding on any player in their junior academy system, which basically means they get 15 junior clubs in the NT and 11 in the Gold Coast that no other team is allowed to even offer a developmental contract to over the next 3 years to any player in those systems.

Talk "fairness" all you want, rugby league can at least fall back on the integrity of not allowing a team that has failed miserably, priority selection to the point of effectively restricting the right of a player to seek employment just to prop up a single club.

Think the word ‘contrived’ will sit nicely into any conversation about the AFL

 

[WaznTheGreat]

https://addtext.com/X_HPtfJ

 

[bazza]

And yet in the last 20 years there's been 12 different premiers in the NRL yet only 11 in AFL.
Not to mention no back to back winners in the NRL, AFL had two teams, Hawthorn and Brisbane win three in a row each.

So ya know....

I am guessing with draft and salary cap you get a max 5 year period to do well - then you gradually fall off as you get stuck with the dud juniors coming through. While with a salary cap only you can extend your dynasty a bit longer as you have more say in junior development but each team gets a chance pretty regularly as players still move around clubs

 

[gerg]

Seeing as you brought up fairness, thought I'd just add in that today the AFL granted the Gold Coast Suns a massive "emergency relief package" that gifts them 4 consecutive #1 draft picks in addition to the picks they already get and the entire city of Darwin as a junior catchment area, while stopping all rival clubs from bidding on any player in their junior academy system, which basically means they get 15 junior clubs in the NT and 11 in the Gold Coast that no other team is allowed to even offer a developmental contract to over the next 3 years to any player in those systems.

Talk "fairness" all you want, rugby league can at least fall back on the integrity of not allowing a team that has failed miserably, priority selection to the point of effectively restricting the right of a player to seek employment just to prop up a single club.

Exactly. The AFL artificially manufactured success at the Lions, Swans and GWS. The moron happy clappers that follow the sport don't seem to mind the governing body doing it either.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Aside from "Fair" or not.. the finals series' over the last few seasons has had a distinct lack of matches between the big Sydney clubs.. By these I mean Parramatta, Canterbury, Souths, Tigers and Dragons.

Yes its the NRL not NSWRL... ​

but nothing compares to the hype, atmosphere and interest level in the harbour city when these teams play each other in the finals. (Especially the GF. And we've only had one amongst these teams in god knows how long.. ).

And they fill stadiums. Eg Dogs v Eels Prelim @ Homebush. ​

I've got nothing but respect for the Storm & Roosters' sustained success over the last 21 years.. those clubs have been run brilliantly. And it's up to others to lift their standards if they are to come close to sustaining success like these teams have. But when they make the finals/GF - there's no real "story" about it that captures interest in Sydney except for Roosters fans.. maybe Cronk last year would be an exception..

Others in recent times..

Storm vs Cowboys.... ??? Nothing really..
Sharks v Storm was all about the Sharks winning their first GF. Which they did​

Broncos Cowboys was about the Cowboys first title. Great game it was too,
Souths v Dogs - huge interest, particularly in Souths for obvious reasons.

Just my opinion but for this years GF - it's all about the Raiders making their first GF since 94 - the non-Sydney team. Yes the Roosters could be the first back to back title holders since the early 90's but even considering this, it's not the big story..

​

 

[This Year?]

How would’ve people copped in the 50’s through to 1971 when St George and Souths won every premiership except for 1969

And who cares about the AFL

I wouldn't have coped very well, probably died from alcohol poisoning after 10 straight.

 

[typicalfan]

Aside from "Fair" or not.. the finals series' over the last few seasons has had a distinct lack of matches between the big Sydney clubs.. By these I mean Parramatta, Canterbury, Souths, Tigers and Dragons.

Yes its the NRL not NSWRL... ​

but nothing compares to the hype, atmosphere and interest level in the harbour city when these teams play each other in the finals. (Especially the GF. And we've only had one amongst these teams in god knows how long.. ).

And they fill stadiums. Eg Dogs v Eels Prelim @ Homebush. ​

I've got nothing but respect for the Storm & Roosters' sustained success over the last 21 years.. those clubs have been run brilliantly. And it's up to others to lift their standards if they are to come close to sustaining success like these teams have. But when they make the finals/GF - there's no real "story" about it that captures interest in Sydney except for Roosters fans.. maybe Cronk last year would be an exception..

Others in recent times..

Storm vs Cowboys.... ??? Nothing really..
Sharks v Storm was all about the Sharks winning their first GF. Which they did​

Broncos Cowboys was about the Cowboys first title. Great game it was too,
Souths v Dogs - huge interest, particularly in Souths for obvious reasons.

Just my opinion but for this years GF - it's all about the Raiders making their first GF since 94 - the non-Sydney team. Yes the Roosters could be the first back to back title holders since the early 90's but even considering this, it's not the big story..

​

Throw in the Knights too, who aren't a Sydney club obviously but have significant support.

Big clubs starved of success make for huge storylines. Souths fans you could argue have become a bit complacent since they won theirs. Parra, Bulldogs, Dragons, Tigers and Knights have been starved of success.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Seeing as you brought up fairness, thought I'd just add in that today the AFL granted the Gold Coast Suns a massive "emergency relief package" that gifts them 4 consecutive #1 draft picks in addition to the picks they already get and the entire city of Darwin as a junior catchment area, while stopping all rival clubs from bidding on any player in their junior academy system, which basically means they get 15 junior clubs in the NT and 11 in the Gold Coast that no other team is allowed to even offer a developmental contract to over the next 3 years to any player in those systems.

Talk "fairness" all you want, rugby league can at least fall back on the integrity of not allowing a team that has failed miserably, priority selection to the point of effectively restricting the right of a player to seek employment just to prop up a single club.

Nailed it.

Expansion has turned the AFL into a joke.

The absolutely massive concessions handed out to the GWS and Gold Coast - and now the Gold Coast again - has seen a number of Melbourne based clubs struggle miserably for a decade because they haven't been able to pick themselves up in the draft due to the new soulless franchises having a monopoly on the top picks.

The talent in the AFL is now spread so thin - due to the required player numbers and it still being a provincial game of a few states - that you consistently have about 8 awful sides every year.

And what's worse is that the AFL manipulate the draw to ensure the lesser sides play the other shit sides twice. This results in lots of shitty matches and average teams like the Lions having fluke seasons solely due to a soft draw. And now they made the top 4 (and failed miserably) they'll get a tougher draw and drop back accordingly.

The AFL is the most contrived and heavily manipulated team sport in Australia by a mile.

It's more scripted than the WWE.

So in summary: beware of the knock on effects of expansion and also lol@AFL.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Grand Final Finalists
1999 NRL Melbourne 20–18 St George Illawarra B.
2000 NRL Brisbane 14–6 Sydney Roosters
2001 NRL Newcastle 30–24 Parramatta
2002 NRL Sydney Roosters 30–8 Warriors
2003 NRL Penrith 18–6 Sydney Roosters
2004 NRL Canterbury 16–13 Sydney Roosters
2005 NRL Wests Tigers 30–16 North Queensland
2006 NRL Brisbane 15–8 Melbourne
2007 NRL Melbourne* 34–8 Manly Warringah
2008 NRL Manly Warringah 40–0 Melbourne
2009 NRL Melbourne* 23–16 Parramatta
2010 NRL St George Illawarra 32–8 Sydney Roosters
2011 NRL Manly Warringah 24–10 Warriors
2012 NRL Melbourne 14–4 Canterbury
2013 NRL Sydney Roosters 26–18 Manly Warringah
2014 NRL South Sydney 30–6 Canterbury
2015 NRL North Queensland 17–16 Brisbane
2016 NRL Cronulla 14–12 Melbourne
2017 NRL Melbourne 34–6 North Queensland
2018 NRL Sydney Roosters 21–6 Melbourne G
2019 NRL Sydney Roosters 0–0 Canberra



1999 - Storm
2000 - Roosters
2002 - Roosters
2003 - Roosters
2004 - Roosters
2006 - Storm
2007 - Storm
2008 - Storm
2009 - Storm
2010 - Roosters
2012 - Storm
2013 - Roosters
2016 - Storm
2017 - Storm
2018 - Storm & Roosters
2019 - Roosters

21 seasons.
Both clubs combined have made the grand final 17 times.Compare this to the AFL


Premiership Winners
Year Premiership Team Runner-Up
2019 Richmond GWS
2018 West Coast Collingwood
2017 Richmond Adelaide
2016 Western Bulldogs Sydney Swans
2015 Hawthorn West Coast
2014 Hawthorn Sydney Swans
2013 Hawthorn Fremantle Dockers
2012 Sydney Swans Hawthorn
2011 Geelong Collingwood
2010 Collingwood St Kilda
2009 Geelong St Kilda
2008 Hawthorn Geelong
2007 Geelong Port Adelaide
2006 West Coast Sydney Swans
2005 Sydney Swans West Coast
2004 Port Adelaide Brisbane Lions
2003 Brisbane Lions Collingwood
2002 Brisbane Lions Collingwood
2001 Brisbane Lions Essendon
2000 Essendon Melbourne
1999 North Melbourne Carlton

Clearly the AFL Model is a much Fairer model.....


What a wonderfully diverse comp.
I look forward to the diversity of the next 21 seasons as well.

P.S Thanks Gregstar for supplying the info.

Guess who'll be top 2 next year.

It's a wonderful thing, the cap.

 

[TheFrog]

How would’ve people copped in the 50’s through to 1971 when St George and Souths won every premiership except for 1969

And who cares about the AFL

It was a period of stagnation for the sport, not unlike what we're seeing right now.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Nailed out.

Expansion has turned the AFL into a joke.

The absolutely massive concessions handed out to the GWS and Gold Coast - and now the Gold Coast again - has seen a number of Melbourne based clubs struggle miserably for a decade because they haven't been able to pick themselves up in the draft due to the new soulless franchises having a monopoly on the top picks.

The talent in the AFL is now spread so thin - due to the required player numbers and it still being a provincial game of a few states - that you consistently have about 8 awful sides every year.

And what's worse is that the AFL manipulate the draw to ensure the lesser sides play the other shit sides twice. This results in lots of shitty matches and average teams like the Lions having fluke seasons solely due to a soft draw. And now they made the top 4 (and failed miserably) they'll get a tougher draw and drop back accordingly.

The AFL is the most contrived and heavily manipulated team sport in Australia by a mile.

It's more scripted than the WWE.

So in summary: beware of the knock on effects of expansion and also lol@AFL.

You mean like Richmond?

 

[Tommy Smith]

You mean like Richmond?

Carlton
Essendon
North Melbourne
Melbourne
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs

6 Melbourne heartland AFL clubs with two GF appearances and one fluke Premiership combined from the past 20 seasons.

And worse yet, none of them look even close to changing that stat over the next half decade either.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Carlton
Essendon
North Melbourne
Melbourne
St Kilda
Western Bulldogs

6 Melbourne heartland AFL clubs with two GF appearances and one fluke Premiership combined from the past 20 seasons.

And worse yet, none of them look even close to changing that stat over the next half decade either.

I raise you Richmond again.

Bulldogs won a couple of years ago.

Melbourne were also top 4.

Essendon had the drugs saga.

The Suns are only there because of the titans. (and vice versa)

Just about every AFL person knows they should be in hobart.

 

[Mr Spock!]

St Kilda also had a drawn gf not long ago.

 

[dogz08]

Not as bad as the Scottish Premier League where no team except Celtic or Rangers have won it since the 1984–85 season..