Greatest Movie of All Time - Discussion

[HevyDevy]

Where is BMX Bandits?

 

[Tommy Smith]

Boogie Nights added to group eighteen. If there are any (serious) requests for a film to be added to polling, let me know.

Predator
The Truman Show
300

There's a few others, there always are in a poll like this, but they're the only ones that are not only great movies IMO but also have a chance to progress.

 

[AILD]

shawshank...best ever.

 

[2 True Blues]

shawshank...best ever.

Top movie mate. ;-)

 

[Loudstrat]

Stupid list that excludes:

• All's Quiet on the Western Front
• Gone With The Wind
• Crocodile Dundee
• Cat Ballou
• The Great Escape
• King Kong
• Baraka
• This Is Spinal Tap
• Kelly's Heroes
• Once Were Warriors
• Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone
• West Side Story
• The Blues Brothers
• Braveheart
• Gladiator
• Platoon
• Midnight Express
• A Streetcar Named Desire
• Dirty Harry
• El Cid
• The Ten Commandments
• Borat
• Gungadin
• Big Wednesday
• Amazing Grace
• Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

 

[Loudstrat]

BTW, Life Of Brian has already won. Pointless procedure.

 

[Misanthrope]

• All's Quiet on the Western Front
• Gone With The Wind
• Crocodile Dundee
• Cat Ballou
• The Great Escape
• King Kong
• Baraka
• This Is Spinal Tap
• Kelly's Heroes
• Once Were Warriors
• Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone
• West Side Story
• The Blues Brothers
• Braveheart
• Gladiator
• Platoon
• Midnight Express
• A Streetcar Named Desire
• Dirty Harry
• El Cid
• The Ten Commandments
• Borat
• Gungadin
• Big Wednesday
• Amazing Grace
• Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

At least four of the movies you claim weren't in the list... are in the list. Gladiator, Platoon, The Great Escape, Gone with the Wind, and Braveheart to name a few. The reason not many older films made it was because, oddly, most forummers are too young to have any idea what they are.

No Harry Potter movie should ever be included in a 'greatest of all time'. You stating that one should be renders your opinion on a great many things in the world of cinema null and void.

 

[Loudstrat]

Why not? Hugely successful movies.

As for age - you included Citizen Cane.

And aren't we talking about the greatest movies of all time? When did all time start?

Not including Spinal Tap, Blues Brothers, Ten Commandments, Streetcar, Borat or Hitchhikers renders your list as sadly incomplete. Especially when you included:

Toy Story
Happy Gilmore
Once Upon a Time in the West
Ratatouille
Superman Returns
School of Rock
Amelie
Annie Hall

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

Why not? Hugely successful movies.

As for age - you included Citizen Cane.

And aren't we talking about the greatest movies of all time? When did all time start?

Not including Spinal Tap, Blues Brothers, Ten Commandments, Streetcar, Borat or Hitchhikers renders your list as sadly incomplete. Especially when you included:

Toy Story
Happy Gilmore
Once Upon a Time in the West
Ratatouille
Superman Returns
School of Rock
Amelie
Annie Hall

this post has a good point, but IIRC the list was open to nominations?

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

Stupid list that excludes:

• All's Quiet on the Western Front

excellent book, haven't seen the movie though.

 

[Misanthrope]

Not including Spinal Tap, Blues Brothers, Ten Commandments, Streetcar, Borat or Hitchhikers renders your list as sadly incomplete. Especially when you included:

Toy Story
Happy Gilmore
Once Upon a Time in the West
Ratatouille
Superman Returns
School of Rock
Amelie
Annie Hall

There were nominations, which is how a handful got in. Superman Returns was one of them. The rest were taken from IMDB's top rated list - I'm not personally a fan of movies like Toy Story or School of Rock: but they got in because they rated higher from user reviews than the ones you wanted in there. I don't think any of the Potter movies even made the Top 250 - but I didn't go down that far.

Why not? Hugely successful movies.

Legally Blonde was hugely successful. Sex and the City looks like being hugely succesful. Doesn't make them good movies.

 

[Loudstrat]

Great movie with Ernest Borgnine playing the old German Sargeant, and John Boy Walton (forgot his name) playing the private. Brilliant scene where Borgnine shares a foxhole with a dying Frenchman, who he befriends as he dies.

May have missed the nominations, but missing the Blues Bros for f**s sake and banning Harry Potter when I know he was trying to find an excuse to include Te;letubbies. Most of those films are Yank movies - ignoring some of the British greats (Zulu, English Patient, Mrs Minniver (possibly the best war movie ever made), The 39 steps, Bridge On The River Kwai, A Fish Called Wanda, Elizabeth and Elizabeth the Golden Age, The Queen, The James Bond films, The Rutles, Higlander, The Admirable Crighton, Carry On Up The Khyber, Caligula and Tommy)

Nothing featuring Cheech and Chong, the Marx Brothers or Laurel and Hardy. No Blazing Saddles, Uncle Buck, Cannonball Run, Beverly Hills Cop, Lethal Weapon, War of the Worlds, Rainman, Wayne's World, Giant, Duel, The Odd Couple, Mr Holland's Opus, True Grit, Brewster's Millions, The Blob or To Kill a Mockingbird.

No Aussie stuff, either, apart from a brief nod to Mad Max. Therefore, no Sunday Too Far Away, Gallipoli, Breaker Morant, Shine (classic), Spotswood, Prescilla, Rabbit Proof Fence, Romper Stomper, Kenny, The Dish, The Man Who Sued God or the ultimate - Smiley Get ya Gun.

How can ya have a list without bloody Jake and Elwood???????

 

[Tommy Smith]

Loudstrat, if it was to be a full on genuine greatest movie of all-time list then it would have atleast 250 movies in it, of which ATLEAST half wouldn't even be English language films. Hence most forumers wouldn't have heard of half the movies and no-one would care or debate the list since they wouldn't have seen most of the movies.

Creating a list weighted towards more contemporary films was merely for the purpose of involving more of the people on this forum. How many people would have voted in a group containing the following:

Ikiru
Bicycle Thieves
M
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
The 400 Blows

Answer - about 3. becuase hardly anyone here will have heard of, let alone seen these movies. So im sure misanthrope didnt intend this to be THE "definitive list of greatest movies". Just something that would create debate and be considered the greatest movie of all-time according to LU posters.


And another point, and perhaps more importantly, what is, and what isnt a great movie is purely open to opinion. For example i find it laughable that you find it silly for the list to not include Harry Potter and Borat and instead include movies like Once Upon a Time in the West and Annie Hall.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Great movie with Ernest Borgnine playing the old German Sargeant, and John Boy Walton (forgot his name) playing the private. Brilliant scene where Borgnine shares a foxhole with a dying Frenchman, who he befriends as he dies.

May have missed the nominations, but missing the Blues Bros for f**s sake and banning Harry Potter when I know he was trying to find an excuse to include Te;letubbies. Most of those films are Yank movies - ignoring some of the British greats (Zulu, English Patient, Mrs Minniver (possibly the best war movie ever made), The 39 steps, Bridge On The River Kwai, A Fish Called Wanda, Elizabeth and Elizabeth the Golden Age, The Queen, The James Bond films, The Rutles, Higlander, The Admirable Crighton, Carry On Up The Khyber, Caligula and Tommy)

Nothing featuring Cheech and Chong, the Marx Brothers or Laurel and Hardy. No Blazing Saddles, Uncle Buck, Cannonball Run, Beverly Hills Cop, Lethal Weapon, War of the Worlds, Rainman, Wayne's World, Giant, Duel, The Odd Couple, Mr Holland's Opus, True Grit, Brewster's Millions, The Blob or To Kill a Mockingbird.

No Aussie stuff, either, apart from a brief nod to Mad Max. Therefore, no Sunday Too Far Away, Gallipoli, Breaker Morant, Shine (classic), Spotswood, Prescilla, Rabbit Proof Fence, Romper Stomper, Kenny, The Dish, The Man Who Sued God or the ultimate - Smiley Get ya Gun.

How can ya have a list without bloody Jake and Elwood???????

Pfft, that's the inferior remake you're talking about.

The original, made in 1930 and starring Lew Ayres, was one of the great anti-war movies. But dont mention the remake...

And again, if we're going to include movies like Beverly Hills Cop, Rabbit Proof Fence and Elizabeth the Golden Age then the list would end up with about 2500 movies. And it would be 2050 before we determined the "greatest". By which time we'd have to do the poll over again!

 

[Loudstrat]

What's the IMDB? Sounds like one of those Yank wankfests that impress no one except those who spend their life watching obscure movie marathons in Glebe.

No Blues Brothers. No Spinal Tap. Pfft.

And no Star Treck Deep Space nine. No Posiden Adventure, Towering Inferno or Airport 77. No Beneath The Planet Of The Apes. No Rocky Horror Picture Show. No Fiddler On The Roof. No Basket Case. No Rob Roy. No Eiger Sanction. No Taking of Pelham 1 2 3.

And No Road To Perdition - Hanks best flick.

AND NO BLUES BROTHERS!!!!!!!

 

[nöyd]

http://www.imdb.com

Internet Movie DataBase

 

[Loudstrat]

And another point, and perhaps more importantly, what is, and what isnt a great movie is purely open to opinion. For example i find it laughable that you find it silly for the list to not include Harry Potter and Borat and instead include movies like Once Upon a Time in the West and Annie Hall.

Once Upon A Time In The west could be carved down to a 10 minute flick if they didn't show those repeated slow shots of the Italian chick looking sad, Or Bronson playing his harmonica for an hour before shooting someone.

And they ignore Blazing Saddles and Cat Ballou.

Pfft, that's the inferior remake you're talking about.

The original, made in 1931 and starring Lew Ayres, was one of the great movies. But dont mention the remake...

Never saw the original. The remake impressed me enough.

 

[Loudstrat]

Pfft, that's the inferior remake you're talking about.

The original, made in 1930 and starring Lew Ayres, was one of the great anti-war movies. But dont mention the remake...

And again, if we're going to include movies like Beverly Hills Cop, Rabbit Proof Fence and Elizabeth the Golden Age then the list would end up with about 2500 movies. And it would be 2050 before we determined the "greatest". By which time we'd have to do the poll over again!

Yeah, but the greatest, Life Of Brian, is already a given.

 

[Misanthrope]

May have missed the nominations, but missing the Blues Bros for f**s sake and banning Harry Potter when I know he was trying to find an excuse to include Te;letubbies.

I don't much know or care who you are, but kindly stop making assumptions about my cinematic tastes or knowledge based on a list I didn't build for my own amusement. A good number of films I liked didn't make the list and those that did, unsurprisingly, didn't do well because they weren't 'Yank wankfest' or whatever it is you so eloquently labelled them.

As I already explained to you, the vast majority of the list came from IMDB.com's Top 250. I did this because, largely, IMDB provides a pretty mainstream view of movies. This is a cinema forum on a rugby league forum - the majority of users aren't cinema buffs, so building a list that caters to that would have meant a handful of votes instead of the 20-40 the individual groups instead garnered.

The rest of the list was filled out with nominations or movies that did well in the past two LU's Top 50 movies. Had you been here then, I'd have been more than happy to add Rabbit Proof Fence, The Dish, and Road to Perdition so they could garner 0 to 2 votes.

I enjoyed The Dish and I enjoyed Rabbit Proof Fence, but given the last Top 50 was going to see Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy finish in second, you can see my dilemma when compiling the list. A list built on critical acclaim wouldn't include half of the movies in this poll and half the ones you've suggested. One built on mainstream success certainly wouldn't. I simply provided a mix of movies that were well received and that matched the average age of forum users. You'll notice, by looking at the polls, that it was rare than an older movie did well. The majority of people just don't know them. Their loss.

And No Road To Perdition - Hanks best flick.

Jesus, that was an unadulterated pile of sh*t. It was woefully paced and about as compelling as watching Tom Hanks brush his teeth before going to the set. I'm a fan of the genre and the cast, and I was still bored senseless.

 

[Loudstrat]

You will notice that I haven't bagged anyone's choice of movies which they like. I was merely responding to the tile of the thread, which DOESN'T read "Greatest movies of all time in the last 5 years"

I'm sorry if I offended with my comments on the IMBD, but by leving out classics such as Blues Brothers, Spinal Tap (even though it's really a cult movie, like Baraka), HP and the Philosopher's stone or a variety of chick flicks like Sleepless in Seattle, Dirty Dancing or Erin Brokovich smells of agenda.

Still, I understand your chore.

Still, movies are about entertainment. We all get entertained differently. To me, The first HP flick had fantastic cinematography - only outdone by the LOTR trilogy. Great storyline for the kids. You don't have to like it, but bagging it, and Perdition (which I think sh*ts on the last 2 God-awful-boring-Fathers) is pretty pathetic, considering you use House as an avatar. Hugh Laurie (sp?) was far better in Blackadder. And Alan Alda played a far better TV doctor IMHO.

I made no judgement on your cinematic tastes, except when you bagged mine when I mentioned Harry Potter. And again on Perdition. So I judged you as an elitist. Then I saw the House avatar. He's OK, when you are biding time for NCIS or Law and Order. But a Houseavatar sort of destroys your aim at being the cinema eliteist.

Drop the avatar, and insert Elwood Blues, Marvin the paranoid android, Oddball, or your secret favorite Hagred. Then you'll have cred.