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Haddin or Wade for 1st South African test?

Haddin or Wade


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The Eagle

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I think they will pick Wade, but id go for Haddin. He knows he has to perform, others bye bye career. See how he goes vs the SA speedsters. Wade will again get his chance soon enough

With that I should open the bowling because i'm 30 and should start ahead of much better bowlers in the "fair go" attitude you're showing

I'd be lucky to bowl flat stick at about 90 right now
 

TheParraboy

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With that I should open the bowling because i'm 30 and should start ahead of much better bowlers in the "fair go" attitude you're showing

I'd be lucky to bowl flat stick at about 90 right now

You sound like Mitch Johnson
 

Twizzle

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you're also assuming Wade is better because he is younger, on current domestic form I would probably go with Haddin but as Simmo1 said, thats batting form not glovework.

They have tended to pick keepers on batting for for the last 30 years so on that criteria I would think Haddin will be retained.

Not much in it tho.
 

Matt23

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Matty Wade, end of the road for iron gloves, Haddin I'm sorry to say.
 

TheParraboy

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/587025.html

Matthew Wade knows his immediate fate in the baggy green could be in his own hands as the selectors prepare to choose between him and Brad Haddin for the first Test against South Africa. Australia's captain Michael Clarke and national selector John Inverarity have both said in the past few days that the Haddin-Wade decision has not yet been made, which gives both men extra motivation to perform over the next fortnight.

The problem for Haddin is that he is in South Africa at the Champions League T20 and should the Sydney Sixers go all the way in the tournament, he won't have any more Sheffield Shield opportunities to press his case before the decision is made. Although Haddin, who turns 35 next week, made a terrific 114 in his most recent Shield match last month, the selectors will need to weigh up his experience against the youth and talent of Wade.

Wade was given a chance in Test cricket in the West Indies in April, when Haddin pulled out of the tour after his daughter Mia was diagnosed with cancer, and impressed with a century in his third Test. He began this season with 89 in his only Shield match so far and another big innings against Tasmania at the MCG next week could be enough to sway things his way ahead of a battle with the No.1 Test team in the world.

"I feel comfortable within the Australian setup now, I understand what they're all about and what we're trying to do," Wade told ESPNcricinfo. "I feel really comfortable around the team but that doesn't guarantee you selection. It's all about performance from here on in. I've got two more Shield games before the Tests and if I can perform in them, hopefully I'll get picked.

"I can only do what I can control. It was nice to come home early and play at the Gabba and get some runs there. I feel like I'm doing everything I can, I'm playing to the best of my ability. If that's not good enough, that's not good enough. I can only get told on the day whether I'm in or out."

Wade, 24, has racked up three Tests, 25 ODIs and 15 Twenty20 internationals since making his debut just over a year ago, and has gone from strength to strength. Inverarity has been impressed not only with Wade's work for Australia but was also happy with what he saw against Queensland at the Gabba last week, when Wade came in with Victoria wobbling at 4 for 39 and rescued the innings in very trying conditions.

"It shows what a very good batsman Matthew Wade is," Inverarity said. "That innings, in the context of that game was the match-winner. They bowled very well in helpful conditions and that 89 was a very significant batting performance.

"If you go back to February, he played for Australia, then he played on the wickets in the West Indies, then he went to England and played there, then the UAE, then Sri Lanka. The amount of experience he's got into his experience in seven months is fantastic."

It hasn't all been easy for Wade, as anyone who watched the one-day series in the Caribbean could attest. While his glovework was always sound, he found it especially difficult batting against the spin of Sunil Narine, but the way he worked through that trouble and emerged with a Test century in Dominica, having come to the crease at 5 for 157, pleased the coach Mickey Arthur.

"We saw Wadey in the West Indies really battle with the turning ball, he hadn't played in conditions like that before, he didn't have a game-plan, he didn't know how to score, he didn't know where to score off Sunil Narine," Arthur said. "But he worked it out and at the end of the series he got a really good hundred.

"We saw a little bit of that in England, a little bit of that in Sri Lanka, he worked immensely hard through the T20 on his batting, his first-class batting. He learns very quickly. He's like a little kid, he comes and he fights it and he moans and whinges and gets frustrated, but he works hard, learns quick and hopefully he gets the rewards. He's got a good edge to him."

Arthur and Inverarity are both on the selection panel that will make the decision by the end of this month, as is Clarke, who said this week that Wade was "an amazing talent" who "is going to be a big player for Australian cricket over a long period of time". Whether that period encompasses the South African series remains to be seen, but Wade would love the chance to tackle Dale Steyn, Vernon Philander and Morne Morkel.

"There's no tougher Test cricket than what that will be against South Africa," Wade said. "As cricketers all we want to do is test ourselves against the best players in the world. Their bowlers are the best in the world at times. It's going to be hard work all summer against those guys and then a pretty good team in Sri Lanka coming over as well.

"It's definitely a bigger jump up in intensity [to Test cricket] and you always get that one bowler that troubles you. The pressure is a little bit different. I think a home series is probably going to be even tougher, everyone is watching, but it would be fantastic to play in."
 

lockyno1

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Wade will get it, I wish Paine was fit last year as he is better than both. Wade scares me behind the stumps...but Wade was better with the bat over the last 12 months in test cricket.
 

Twizzle

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another very good performance from Haddin last night

he has his eye in atm
 

Big_Bad_Shark_Fan

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Id go Wade for the sole reason he is 24 years old and Haddin is 35.

I can't really split them. Haddins test average of 35 is hardly anything to write home about. Wade at 39, but we can't count that in 1) 3 tests) and; 2) against west indies only.

Anyway id go for Wade. I
 

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2012/content/story/587283.html

Watson backs Haddin, Starc for Tests

Shane Watson believes Brad Haddin is "mentally and technically ready to go," should he be chosen as Australia's wicketkeeper for the upcoming Test series against South Africa. Michael Clarke, Australia's captain, has insisted that no decision has been made on whether Haddin could reclaim the Test berth he vacated for personal reasons during the tour of West Indies earlier this year, and Haddin faces competition from Matthew Wade for the spot.

"He's definitely mentally and technically ready to go if that opportunity does come for him in that first Test," Watson said on the eve of his departure from South Africa, where he has been playing for Sydney Sixers in the Champions League T20. "I have my fingers crossed for him, and I certainly think he deserves a chance to be able to take on the South Africans."

Haddin is captaining a Sixers side that has been dominant in the tournament, with wins over Chennai Super Kings, Yorkshire and Highveld Lions. His own contribution has been steady, with consistent runs in the middle order and seven catches behind the stumps.

"If you saw the way he batted today even, his game looks in great order," Watson said. "I think his batting alone looked brilliant. You can really tell even in his set up whether he's going really good. He's in some serious touch at the moment. And as he always does he keeps very well."

Apart from the undecided wicketkeeping spot, Australia also have a full stable of fast bowlers from which to choose ahead of the first Test, expected to be played upon a green, bouncy Gabba pitch. Watson suggested his Sixers team-mate Mitchell Starc, who has four Tests under his belt but isn't yet at the top of the pecking order in the format, would be a valuable addition to the bowling line up.

"There's no doubt that having a left-armer who bowls 140kph and swings the ball back in with a bit of bounce at the Gabba and in Perth as well will certainly be a huge asset for our team," Watson said. "He should be [in the team]."
 

Earl

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Matt Wade was the only player to score a Century in the last test series that the Aussies played.

Can't be dropped.
 

Munro_Mick

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The SMH Sydney writer Andrew Wu reckons runs for the Sixers qualifies Haddin to play tests on batting form?!?!?!?
Presently most logic suggests Wade - but, also, that Wade, who opens quite often in the short form is not far off a top 6 batting slopt anyway - - certainly for the Vics the last couple of years and he's been so very, very good especially when the chips are down.
Haddin at test level has been shown to be somewhat limited - has had a couple of stunning high points - but has a shocking tendancy to get out to cheap lofted shots in pressure situations and has tried to defend himself by claiming to play his natural game all the time - but, sometimes you do need to adapt to circumstances and perhaps Haddin, as an 'old dog' is a tad shy of the required new tricks.
Pick Wade.
(yes I'm a Vic, but, Wade is from Tassie, if I really wanted a Vic I'd suggest Neville from NSW who is a Vic, although for a couple of years I was a big fan of Tim Paine and he's a thru and thru Tassie. Really - it doesn't matter where from. Wade is in there now and does he deserve to be dropped? Does Haddin deserve to be re-instated? The Vice-Capt aspect might be the issue?)
 

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2012/content/story/588507.html

Matthew Wade is expected to be installed as Australia's full-time Test wicketkeeper on Monday when the selectors name the squad for the first Test against South Africa, which starts at the Gabba on November 9. The choice between Wade and Brad Haddin was the major decision for John Inverarity's panel over the past few weeks, with the top six having been locked in since Australia's last Test six months ago and the wider bowling group remaining settled.

Ed Cowan will retain his position at the top of the order alongside David Warner, while the rest of the batting group - Shane Watson, Ricky Ponting, Michael Clarke and Michael Hussey - will also remain in place. The bowling unit will be led by Peter Siddle and Ben Hilfenhaus and the squad is expected to also feature James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc and Nathan Lyon, with Pat Cummins more likely to come into contention later in the series.

Possible squad for first Test
David Warner, Ed Cowan, Shane Watson, Ricky Ponting, Michael Clarke (capt), Michael Hussey, Matthew Wade (wk), Peter Siddle, James Pattinson, Ben Hilfenhaus, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon



The choice between Haddin and Wade did not appear clear-cut when both men were given Cricket Australia contracts in June. But Wade is expected to win the battle and was told by Australia's physio Alex Kountouris to rest from Sunday's Ryobi Cup match at the MCG, after suffering a minor injury to his thumb during last week's Sheffield Shield match, although he will play this week's Shield game for Victoria.

"I got a hit on my thumb during the week in the Shield game and spoke to the medical staff and I made myself available but they told me to have a rest," Wade said on Fox Sports on Sunday. "I had a hit yesterday and everything felt fine, I just spoke to Alex Kountouris and they decided to give me a rest.

"I'm pretty relaxed. I've done everything that I can do in Shield cricket. Fingers crossed I get that opportunity ... Hadds is a terrific player and I've hopefully done enough to get that opportunity but we'll know tomorrow."

Wade is the incumbent gloveman having been given a chance in April in the West Indies, where he played all three Tests and finished the series with a Man-of-the-Match performance in Dominica, where his first-innings 106 set up Australia's series-winning victory. However, Wade only earned his baggy green after Haddin had flown home before the first Test in Barbados to be with his ill daughter Mia.

Until that point, Haddin had been Australia's incumbent Test keeper for four years, missing only five matches through injury in 2009 and 2010, when Graham Manou and Tim Paine filled in. But on virtually every criterion, Wade deserves to be given the gloves for the Gabba Test, the start of Australia's battle with South Africa for the No.1 Test ranking.

Haddin, 35, is nearing the end of his career while Wade, 24, has a long future ahead of him. Not since Ian Healy joined the side at 24 in 1988 have Australia had a full-time Test wicketkeeper so young, and Healy provided them with more than a decade of sturdiness behind the stumps. The time is right to give Wade an extended run in the side, while there remains an abundance of experience in the middle order. Wade and Warner will be the only two men aged under 30 in Australia's top seven.

But age is far from Wade's only advantage. Over the past five years with Victoria, he has earned a reputation as the kind of man any team would like to walk to the crease in a crisis. His Test century in Dominica came after he joined Michael Hussey with Australia wobbling at 5 for 157, and he impressed Inverarity with 89 for Victoria earlier this month, after he walked out onto the Gabba at 4 for 39.

"It shows what a very good batsman Matthew Wade is," Inverarity said of the innings. "That innings, in the context of that game was the match-winner. They [Queensland] bowled very well in helpful conditions and that 89 was a very significant batting performance."

Notably, Wade's record is best at the Gabba and Bellerive Oval - arguably the two toughest domestic pitches in Australia. His glovework is very good - it has improved enormously since he first appeared on the Sheffield Shield scene - and with 55 first-class matches and nearly 3000 runs to his name, lack of experience is not an issue.

Wade's case was strengthened because Haddin's past year has been far from his best. His 114 for New South Wales in the Sheffield Shield last month, before he headed to South Africa for the Champions League Twenty20, was impressive, but against India last summer he was disappointing with bat and gloves. And his reckless slash outside off in Cape Town last November, when Australia were 5 for 18, is hard to forget.

That South African tour also provided Cummins with his first taste of Test cricket and he was Man of the Match on debut in Johannesburg. However, he has not played a first-class match since, last summer due to injury and this season because of his short-format duties with Australia and the Sydney Sixers. There is a chance he will be named in a 13-man squad for the Gabba, but he is unlikely to be a realistic Test option until he has some red-ball cricket behind him.

Australia's plans to rotate their young fast bowlers this summer will bring Cummins, 19, into contention later in the South African series. At the Gabba, Australia are likely to play Siddle and Hilfenhaus, with Pattinson, the leading wicket taker so far this Shield season, as the third fast man. Starc should only be considered if conditions are excessively favourable to the pace bowlers, while the injured Ryan Harris won't be available until the series against Sri Lanka.

Almost every year since the retirement of Shane Warne, there has been pre-match speculation that Australia will play an all-pace attack at the Gabba, which is always friendly to the seamers in Sheffield Shield matches. But Brisbane generally provides a better surface in Test cricket and last summer the offspinner Lyon took seven wickets in the Gabba Test, and he deserves to be part of the starting XI again.

The first Test will also provide Cowan with an opportunity to make the opening position his own after he missed out on a central contract this year. However, should Cowan stumble early in the South African series he will come under pressure, most likely from the resurgent Phillip Hughes, who has tightened up his technique and is still viewed by the selectors as a Test player of the future
 
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