Haka controversey

[Te Kaha]

im a kiwi and i love the haka.
However i am sick and tired of all these maoris getting up on there high horses and bleating like old ladies about how their culture has been insulted. the maori culture is dead. the haka is something that new zealanders do and thats all

bullsh*t its dead...

 

[SpaceMonkey]

im a kiwi and i love the haka.
However i am sick and tired of all these maoris getting up on there high horses and bleating like old ladies about how their culture has been insulted. the maori culture is dead. the haka is something that new zealanders do and thats all

WTF? Maybe you better go and tell the Maori peeople from around where I grew up, it seems very much alive to them. Your statement makes no sense any way, the Haka IS a part of Maori culture.

 

[douglasallen91]

Why does it matter so much to you?

Or if I agree with you and we say that it is an official part of the program, doesn't that then make the All Blacks' stance even more hypocritical? If some countries are allowed to answer the challenge, why can't Wales?

they can have their own challenge just like the fijians and tongans etc.

as the irb say the haka is after the anthems.

northern hemisphere (except for japan and french) and aussie's moan about the haka and when they don't do one they still moan. u can't win.

what else can the irb do, first supposely we can't do a haka (still kicked wales ass), de-power the scrums. what about having the all blacks playing with 15 props. still won't do any damage the all blacks will still win the world cup blindfolded

 

[bayrep]

im a kiwi and i love the haka.
However i am sick and tired of all these maoris getting up on there high horses and bleating like old ladies about how their culture has been insulted. the maori culture is dead. the haka is something that new zealanders do and thats all

Ouch. If anything Maori Culture is coming on strengths and bounds a lot more youth are taking it up, they have Moari langauge week everything etc.

 

[gunnamatta bay]

im a kiwi and i love the haka.
However i am sick and tired of all these maoris getting up on there high horses and bleating like old ladies about how their culture has been insulted. the maori culture is dead. the haka is something that new zealanders do and thats all

No way. I see it all the time. Even here in Sydney. Where I live there are heaps of Maori and all proudly display their various bone and greenstone carvings and tats. I went to a Maori cultural night at Lidcombe once and the place was rocking with each cultural group competing against each other with their various tribal hakas. I could see the emotion in the eyes of the crowd too. I believe there is even a Marae in Queensland.

When I travel to NZ I always head for the Auckland museum and check out the ancient carvings. I also like Gisborne and reading about the local tribes. If anything I would say it is going from strength to strength.

The recent death of the Maori Queen received scant coverage here but I managed to catch a fair bit on the sky channel of her funeral procession down the Waikato. It was extremely moving but more importantly it seemed to stop the whole nation. Dead? Now way!

 

[gunnamatta bay]

they can have their own challenge just like the fijians and tongans etc.

as the irb say the haka is after the anthems.

northern hemisphere (except for japan and french) and aussie's moan about the haka and when they don't do one they still moan. u can't win.

what else can the irb do, first supposely we can't do a haka (still kicked wales ass), de-power the scrums. what about having the all blacks playing with 15 props. still won't do any damage the all blacks will still win the world cup blindfolded

Please feel free to provide evidence of Australians moaning about the haka Doug. We love the haka. I think we should do one too.

I think you might be confused with the throat slitting haka which was another kettle of fish.

 

[ozbash]

I think you might be confused with the throat slitting haka which was another kettle of fish.

i think the NZRFU decided to only perform kapa o pango at home as a mark of respect to the aussies, and everyone else who were frightened.

kapa o pango is special.

 

[Sanchez]

in response to all the quotes id like to say
maoris are only maori when it suits them and they have something to gain

 

[Te Kaha]

in response to all the quotes id like to say
maoris are only maori when it suits them and they have something to gain

That is SOOOOO blatently racist and incorrect... and hey stupid... the Plural of Maori is Maori, there is no S in Te Korero...

If you are going to insult a culture and race.. at least do it correctly....

 

[SpaceMonkey]

in response to all the quotes id like to say
maoris are only maori when it suits them and they have something to gain

Yes, they go home and wipe the shoe polish off after they've claimed their free house from the government :roll:

 

[Cupid Stunt]

Genuine question before this is down over racisim...

I've always thought (I dont claim to be educated on the subject) that the Haka was a form of intimidation, among other things. If this is in any way so why dont oppositions have the right to walk away or turn their backs or mouth something in return? Why must a team that is psyching themselves be watched by their opponents?

 

[ozbash]

Genuine question before this is down over racisim...

I've always thought (I dont claim to be educated on the subject) that the Haka was a form of intimidation, among other things. If this is in any way so why dont oppositions have the right to walk away or turn their backs or mouth something in return? Why must a team that is psyching themselves be watched by their opponents?

you can and its expected.
the haka you see by the AB,s and kiwis are more traditional challenges that are part and parcel with the teams. Despite getting rubbished, willie mason answered the haka but he showed disrespect which was rightfully punished.
i can remember a haka before an AB v England test match. Norm Hewitt was either in the front or actually leading it and the English hooker fronted up to him midway through the haka. Norm (a maori) had to be held back as did his pommie opposite. great stuff.

in nz, we have maori colleges play each other and it has to be seen to be believed. Sometimes up to 1-200 supporters behind the respective dead ball lines going hard out with haka. sends a shiver down your spine.

recent Aotearoa Moari v Cook Islands league test, haka resulted in an all in scrap.. awesome. thats how you answer a haka, dont back down to it and dont hide behind a team mate/s, a la willie.

 

[NPK]

What do they expect as a response to the haka? Wales wanted to respond with their anthem but they weren't allowed to even though it was their home ground.

 

[Te Kaha]

What do they expect as a response to the haka? Wales wanted to respond with their anthem but they weren't allowed to even though it was their home ground.

Are you dense or what??? it has been explained TWICE in this thread... Wales were ALWAYS ABLE TO ANSWER THE HAKA WITH THEIR ANTHEM... They can respond to the Haka anywhay they see fit... However the anthems must be left in their pride of place at the start of procedings... otherwise you are either demeaning the anthem or elevating the Haka to that status... All the welsh needed to do is sing their anthem again after the Haka and there would have been no problem.

 

[NPK]

Why should the All Blacks dictate what the Welsh do and when?
They should just do the haka and not tell everyone else what to do.

 

[Te Kaha]

Why should the All Blacks dictate what the Welsh do and when?
They should just do the haka and not tell everyone else what to do.

FFS, the All Blacks DID NOT TELL WHAT THE WELSH WHAT THEY COULD or COULDN'T DO... they told the welsh What the All Blacks WOULDNT do... which is change a 100 year tradition and do the Haka between the anthems... the anthems have to remain inviolate

 

[douglasallen91]

FFS, the All Blacks DID NOT TELL WHAT THE WELSH WHAT THEY COULD or COULDN'T DO... they told the welsh What the All Blacks WOULDNT do... which is change a 100 year tradition and do the Haka between the anthems... the anthems have to remain inviolate

bingo.

shall we go and tell the aboriginal people how to play a dingerdoo (spelling). nope.