Harragon vs Webcke

[RABK]

Btw i must give both blokes a rap of the field. Having met both of them, Chief dozens of times, they are both gentlemen and very well spoken.

 

[The Colonel]

As far as guts, toughness and passion go Chief was the front rower of the 90's.

Maybe in your eyes. I saw him come off second best in a lot of clashes with Mark Carroll, a player who I would rate just as tough and passionate as Paul. Carroll also came out second best on occassion to Harragon as well. Dean Pay was just as tough and passionate as Harragon. Steve Roach played into the nineties and even as he got older he still carried the same passion and toughness as he did in the eighties. Dave Gillespie, Ian Roberts.....

Harragon was a good prop but even as a New South Welshman there are players I would pick who were just as togh and passionate as he was.

This is Webcke vs Harragon though. You can't say Webcke is better then Chief because Lazurus is better then Chief. O'meley is now the best prop in the game, can't vote for Chief because of that.

I don't rate Webcke better than Harragon because Lazarus was a better player than Harragon. I rate Webcke, particularly in Origin as he was going as hard at the end of the game as he was at the start. If not for his knee problems he'd still be in Origin today and I reckon he'd hold it over O'Meley still as the best prop in the game.

 

[NPK]

Why was Harragon a prop? He's shaped more like a second-rower..same with Steve Price IMO.

 

[RABK]

Why was Harragon a prop? He's shaped more like a second-rower..same with Steve Price IMO.

Chief was Jason Ryles size, that's a second rowers physique? He was moblie enough to play backrow and he did play there in a few games.

Steve Price is similar to O'meley, no bigger then most locks but they have enourmous strength and just churn out the metres.

 

[Raiders Plight]

Chief was a very passionate NSW player and would always put his body on the line, but prop of the 90s? Glenn Lazarus was the linchpin of 3 different premiership winning sides. I don't think you can put that down to luck. Lazo should be an immortal.

 

[melon....]

I cant recall Webke ever suffering roid rage. Webke kills Harrigon by a mile. Good call Lazarus, he was better than Harrigon too.

 

[Kiwi]

I don't rate Webcke better than Harragon because Lazarus was a better player than Harragon. I rate Webcke, particularly in Origin as he was going as hard at the end of the game as he was at the start. If not for his knee problems he'd still be in Origin today and I reckon he'd hold it over O'Meley still as the best prop in the game.

I still remember the game against the Eels when Webcke came back from a broken arm before it had healed in the 2000 final series. He won us that game I feel, the eels threw everything at us, and it was a tight game, one hell of a game, and I honestly think Webcke playing in that match lifted the team. He was even targeted ( you can't hide a broken arm like you can alot of other injuries ), I remember seeing the pain on his face as he clutched his arm after a tackle that lead to a Broncos scrum midway through the game. He played on and you'd swear he was 100% looking at the stats for that game if you didn't know any better. The Eels ran at the injured arm all day, and he tackled with it like it was fine.

I agree about his knee, hell he is still up there with regards to metres gained, hit ups, tackles ect despite it.

webcke = one tough hombre

 

[Special K]

Lazarus was great also but not as good as Chief.

Get some sleep... Lazarus is the best prop to play for NSW

I wouldn't say Chief was the man QLD feared. They loved to belt the bejesus out of him and he wouldn't back down. I think he was a great origin player but I don't think they feared him.

Good player Chief but Webcke is just the man. You know what Webcke is bringing to the table and it is all quality. You talk about Chief playing all those origins in a row but for god knows how long Webcke has been one of the first players picked for QLD and Australia. If he was still playing reps he would have walked into both of those sides again this season.

 

[The Colonel]

I still remember the game against the Eels when Webcke came back from a broken arm before it had healed in the 2000 final series. He won us that game I feel, the eels threw everything at us, and it was a tight game, one hell of a game, and I honestly think Webcke playing in that match lifted the team. He was even targeted ( you can't hide a broken arm like you can alot of other injuries ), I remember seeing the pain on his face as he clutched his arm after a tackle that lead to a Broncos scrum midway through the game. He played on and you'd swear he was 100% looking at the stats for that game if you didn't know any better. The Eels ran at the injured arm all day, and he tackled with it like it was fine.

I agree about his knee, hell he is still up there with regards to metres gained, hit ups, tackles ect despite it.

webcke = one tough hombre

I remember it well....... ;-)

 

[Misty Bee]

Lazarus an immortal? Only if they pick 200 immortals!

Chief and webcke, 2 comepletely different players. Webcke is a line bender - quick play the ball merchant. Harrigan was all thunder - his matches with Carroll attest to that.

Webcke has never played against a prop that would give it to him like Carroll gave it to Harrigan.

For mine, Blocker Roach stands over the 3 of 'em.

 

[number8]

Dean Pay was the best front rower in my opinion & under rated. Amoung many great front rowers including the afore mentioned I'd have Pay in my team 1st.

 

[Kiwi]

Lazarus an immortal? Only if they pick 200 immortals!

Chief and webcke, 2 comepletely different players. Webcke is a line bender - quick play the ball merchant. Harrigan was all thunder - his matches with Carroll attest to that.

Webcke has never played against a prop that would give it to him like Carroll gave it to Harrigan.

For mine, Blocker Roach stands over the 3 of 'em.

Wrong, Webcke who debuted in 95 played in the days of Spud, Chief, Pay, and a few other tough front rowers. And the fact is, NONE of them EVER got on top of Webcke at any level. They all tried, but none of them did.

 

[Raiders Plight]

Lazarus an immortal? Only if they pick 200 immortals!

Chief and webcke, 2 comepletely different players. Webcke is a line bender - quick play the ball merchant. Harrigan was all thunder - his matches with Carroll attest to that.

Webcke has never played against a prop that would give it to him like Carroll gave it to Harrigan.

For mine, Blocker Roach stands over the 3 of 'em.

Well blocker couldn't win the big one could he, Lazo did it 6 times with 3 different teams. You sydney siders must hate him, he buried you so many times.

 

[Mr Saab]

Never saw Lazarus or Webke have much of the biff..
saw heaps with Chief in SoO ---
Saw Webke get smashed once or twice..

but still dont remember Laz or Webke in a decent punch up?

hmmm

what has fighting have to do with being a great prop?
I would rather a webcke type player who is tough as they come and every hit up has the same passion, AND, is disciplined

 

[number8]

Wrong, Webcke who debuted in 95 played in the days of Spud, Chief, Pay, and a few other tough front rowers. And the fact is, NONE of them EVER got on top of Webcke at any level. They all tried, but none of them did.

Not fact. That is your opinion & one you are entitled to. I'm sure you will also receive a lot of support in that opinion to because he is a great & popular player.

A dominant player yes. The dominant player no.

None were infallable & all had bad days in their carrers but all were/are great frontrowers who stood above & beyond. The rest is personal perception & opinion, not fact.

 

[Mr Saab]

anyone remember webkce vs harragon at marathon in 1999? sunday afternoon game...they went at each other like bulls, but neither gave an inch. If it was boxing it would be a 10 10 round

 

[oldmancraigy]

I really don't understand why Greg Drake isn't being talked about as prop of the '90s?? He played for plenty of years and was always a solid performer...

Sorry.. my bad - but I would rate Drake as much the prop of the '90s as Harragon (ie - not at all!)

Mark Sargent was the better prop of the 2 of them at Newcastle, he just struggled to find favour in the eyes of the rep selectors for a number of years. It was his combination that helped Harragon get picked in the first place - a power run from Sarge would mean a quick play the ball and backpeddling defence for Chief to run at. Chief was pretty darn good, but not elite!

Mick Vella had the same combination with Nathan Cayless in the early '90s - saw Vella get picked for double digits in Origin appearances, but certainly doesn't put him in the running for 'prop of the noughties'....

'Pancake' Lazarus was a fine front rower, and to mention Chief in the same breath is a shame... and (as the poll clearly indicates) Webcke and Harragon have the same sort of relationship - Webcke is the consummate prop, Harragon a player who had huge games from time to time, but nowhere near as tough or consistent.

 

[JJ]

splitting hairs...

Lazarus is the pick of the bunch IMO - Canberra, Brisbane and Melbourne all won premierships with him, NSW were dominant with him - some will say he went to good teams, but I reckon he improved every team he played in.

If we're talking Origin, then Bella deserves some discussion too. Carroll was good, Bella inconsistent except for Queensland, Lazarus, Webcke and Harragon great...

 

[knights04]

Webcke.

 

[number8]

Gary Larson (Origin)?