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[Gary Gutful]

Hope you can get through the day mate, hope you can concentrate at work.

Who said I'm doing any work?

 

[hineyrulz]

Who said I'm doing any work?

So a normal day then mate???

 

[Eelementary]

Speaking of talking about "God", whoever or whatever that is, this is one reason I hope we don't see him back... I don't think I'll be able to handle having to hear him mention his god and his journey every time he does a presser from the moment he announces he's coming back to every other bloody day that he gets interviewed. I find it cringeworthy being totally frank.

Up to about a day ago, I've been keen on seeing him return... But I've come to the realissation that even if he comes back we are still a couple of other weapons short of being a premiership threat. A proven and effective hooker and prop are still essential IMO. Hayne returning won't change that I don't think. The strongest teams we've had on the park this year (Foran aside) have shown enough to me to suggest that just a couple of astute buys could be all we need to take the next step. Foran, apart from a nice try V the Raiders, I don't think offered a great deal in contributing to the wins the team had when he played. Whether he was playing injured or within himself because of his hamstring or whatever, defensively he was sound yes, but if anything, he contributed to the first loss V the panthers with some poorly taken options late in the game from memory... these were the sorts of poor options he was supposed to be coming to the club to help us eradicate...

Also, I was a quite unimpressed with Norman in his first year with us, but 2015 and 2016 he has been stellar... He seems to have relished the role of playmaker in the absence of Hayne and Foran to a lesser extent. I'd hate to see Norman re-sign with us and then go back in to his shell because Hayne is calling the shots... there'd be people jumping all over him sayng he's dogging it because he got his new deal and won't try again until next contract is up for negotiation....

I think Hayne mentioned once that he relishes NOT having to be the go-to guy every time; I reckon Norman and Hayne would work well.

Regarding the prop, we did sign Vave, who is a big unit who will provide some impetus up the guts.

But De Gois is the answer...to a question nobody asked.

Honestly, I don't think Hayne would significantly weaken our squad- the money we spent on Foran could be used on Hayne, and would we be better off? I reckon it's 50-50.
I mean, with Norman and Hayne in the spine, we don't need a superstar halfback.

All that would be left is a hooker, and write could always try to sign a young, up and coming hooker and take a gamble.

Also, we do still have Pritchard.

 

[hybrideel]

It wasn't so much the teamaround him, but he didn't look like a playmaker's shadow in the games he had in the halves.

Remember hiw Joey used to look on days when things weren't going his team's way? Frustrated, but still an actual playmaker trying things til the end. Hayne was (and by all indications still is) a lazy player/trainer, and better suited to chiming in from fullback to create occasiobal plays than having the pressure of playing permanently in the front lune as a half.

On the money we'd need to pay him, we should be expecting Joey like quality from this amazing "star" - but imo we won't get it, and risk unbalancing our squad all for some media headlines and hype.

But... yay Jarryd!

So you are writing him off as a 6 because he didn't pull out Joey like performances when he was thrown into the position in round 5 without any off season prep due to injury. Even Lockyer took a while to settle into his position and he had a pretty handy side around him.

Sure there is no guarantee that he would be a world beater if he were to be put at 6, but i wouldn't be willing to write him off like you have

 

[ash411]

So you are writing him off as a 6 because he didn't pull out Joey like performances when he was thrown into the position in round 5 without any off season prep due to injury. Even Lockyer took a while to settle into his position and he had a pretty handy side around him.

Sure there is no guarantee that he would be a world beater if he were to be put at 6, but i wouldn't be willing to write him off like you have

Would you be comfortable paying a guy up to 1.5M a year to "try him out and see if it works"?

 

[84 Baby]

For how many years?

 

[eel01s]

Ash, I don't think anyone is saying we should pay Hayne anywhere near $1.5m per season. If it were up to me, I would be paying around $600k given the 2 years out of the game.

 

[ash411]

Ash, I don't think anyone is saying we should pay Hayne anywhere near $1.5m per season. If it were up to me, I would be paying around $600k given the 2 years out of the game.

agreed, I think if we were to sign him, there's no way we should be paying what his next contract was going to be worth...

However I fear that's what his asking price is close to.

 

[Dibs]

agreed, I think if we were to sign him, there's no way we should be paying what his next contract was going to be worth...

However I fear that's what his asking price is close to.

I don't think there is any need to fear it. I think pou is right about not having an elected board trying to please voters. They may offer him a contract (for more than 600k I'd reckon) but they won't get ridiculous and if he doesn't like it then he will go to France or Japan or another nrl team who wants to pay what he wants

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

If you believe some of the numbers in this thread then you probably get inspired by those new Telstra ads.

 

[phantom eel]

People thinking we can just use our Foran money are forgetting that with our current penalty as it stands means we have less than the full salary cap to spend for the next two seasons.

So spending Foran's money ($800K, before TPAs) on Hayne will weaken the squad. We have less than Foran's money to spend, and I believe the NRL might question if we try to register Hayne for less than his previous contract value, or less than his market value if he gets any other offers.

And then we have the issue of would Hayne/Beavis accept $800K to return to the mediocrity that Jarryd chose to leave behind?

 

[hineyrulz]

People thinking we can just use our Foran money are forgetting that with our current penalty as it stands means we have less than the full salary cap to spend for the next two seasons.

So spending Foran's money ($800K, before TPAs) on Hayne will weaken the squad. We have less than Foran's money to spend, and I believe the NRL might question if we try to register Hayne for less than his previous contract value, or less than his market value if he gets any other offers.

And then we have the issue of would Hayne/Beavis accept $800K to return to the mediocrity that Jarryd chose to leave behind?

because of the contract balls up all 1.2m of his contract was on our cap. So Hayne will hardly be cost us more then Foran, we might even be getting some change back.

 

[phantom eel]

Gee, if a two-time Dally M medallist by age 30, and best NSW player (as well as dominating for Australia at centre) means he's not a true star in your book, then you're a hard marker.

Say what you want about him, but he is definitely a star.

Was a star.... But he's had two years off and people are saying he'll just jump in and play in a new (harder) position?

If I was the world clean and jerk champion and could regularlylift 200kg at my peak, do you think anyone would back me to turn up - after not having trained in my sport for two years - and suddenly start snatch lifting (different technique) 250kg each time?

Hayne's hype machine is sucking in everybody - hopefully except for Max and BA.

 

[phantom eel]

because of the contract balls up all 1.2m of his contract was on our cap. So Hayne will hardly be cost us more then Foran, we might even be getting some change back.

Sigh.

Because of our breech all of Foran's $1.2M has to be squeezed into our cap, which results in the weakening if the rest of the squad as a result.

It would be bad management to use the money from Foran's release on one replacement "star" - we should spread that money across the positions tgat had to be weakened because of our breach. That is, hooker (Peats), front row (Paulo, Watmough), maybe an outdide back (Morgan) and of course halves (Foran).

Hayne simply doesn't match what our squad needs. He is merely a costly but ultimately empty reminiscence, with risk of future failure. Hopefully BA and Max will say do not want.

 

[IFR33K]

People thinking we can just use our Foran money are forgetting that with our current penalty as it stands means we have less than the full salary cap to spend for the next two seasons.

So spending Foran's money ($800K, before TPAs) on Hayne will weaken the squad. We have less than Foran's money to spend, and I believe the NRL might question if we try to register Hayne for less than his previous contract value, or less than his market value if he gets any other offers.

And then we have the issue of would Hayne/Beavis accept $800K to return to the mediocrity that Jarryd chose to leave behind?

I don't believe the NRL will question anything. They f**ked up a few years ago not allowing the eels to sign Izzy. You think they will be stupid enough to do it again???

 

[hineyrulz]

I don't believe the NRL will question anything. They f**ked up a few years ago not allowing the eels to sign Izzy. You think they will be stupid enough to do it again???

Ummmm do you really want that question answered???

 

[hineyrulz]

Sigh.

Because of our breech all of Foran's $1.2M has to be squeezed into our cap, which results in the weakening if the rest of the squad as a result.

It would be bad management to use the money from Foran's release on one replacement "star" - we should spread that money across the positions tgat had to be weakened because of our breach. That is, hooker (Peats), front row (Paulo, Watmough), maybe an outdide back (Morgan) and of course halves (Foran).

Hayne simply doesn't match what our squad needs. He is merely a costly but ultimately empty reminiscence, with risk of future failure. Hopefully BA and Max will say do not want.

Yeah Sigh!!

 

[Eelementary]

Was a star.... But he's had two years off and people are saying he'll just jump in and play in a new (harder) position?

If I was the world clean and jerk champion and could regularlylift 200kg at my peak, do you think anyone would back me to turn up - after not having trained in my sport for two years - and suddenly start snatch lifting (different technique) 250kg each time?

Hayne's hype machine is sucking in everybody - hopefully except for Max and BA.

I don't really care one way or the other whether he returns or not.

And you do have a good point - he's been away for some time.

However, he is an elite-level athlete - I'm sure that with a good, solid off-season, that he'd got right back into the NRL.

You're dirty on how he left us - cool. No dramas.

You're also far from his biggest fan - that's your deal.

But you cannot deny that he is an exceptional athlete.

As an aside, all this talk about how he is a lazy trainer - well, Hindmarsh was an exceptional trainer, and we achieved nothing with him in our side. I believe this theory that Hayne is a lazy trainer holds no water.

I mean, everyone remembers Fui; hell, everyone remembers Eric Grothe, and his lackadaisical approach to training.

Why is how a player trains so important?

I, for one, think it doesn't matter at all.

 

[Bazal]

I'll say it again. Jarryd Hayne is a Thurston/Smith/Cronk level player, and if we can get him back for a reasonable price without getting caught up in a ludicrous bidding war, then it's a very simple equation. You sign the deal.

 

[IFR33K]

I'll say it again. Jarryd Hayne is a Thurston/Smith/Cronk level player, and if we can get him back for a reasonable price without getting caught up in a ludicrous bidding war, then it's a very simple equation. You sign the deal.

This! It all comes down to dollars for mine. If we pay 800k Max for him, we are doing well IMO. If he's asking 1.2 I'd pass.