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[Poupou Escobar]

"May"

Well he hasn’t been found guilty.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Uhhh - god hasn’t got a great record when it comes to matters of justice.
In fact he / she / it set up a bit of a shitfight immediately following creation. God’s rap sheet is particularly poor when it comes to gender politics and sex crimes.
And that’s just for us JudeoChristian dudes. Other gods, before, during and after, have all had a pretty poor record.

If gods exist they’re probably unconcerned by your standards of judgement

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This, you and everyone you know both good and bad are a very short blip in history and will be completely forgotten. Who will care about anything written here in 100 years?

Yep, the idea that we have any meaning or relevance is unscientific.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Offences against societal / civil standards are matters of law and judgment. Personally, I don’t think god and religion have any part in any justice system. In fact, I think it’s vitally important that religion and justice remain as separate as possible.

Justice is such an incomprehensibly unnatural phenomenon that it can only come from a religious paradigm.

 

[Mojo]

If gods exist they’re probably unconcerned by your standards of judgement

Good. I prefer gods that are relaxed.

 

[emjaycee]

I wonder why someone would choose to dismiss the framework, religious or otherwise, that has historically shaped Australian society and its legal system, just because they personally find it irrelevant today?

 

[Mojo]

Justice is such an incomprehensibly unnatural phenomenon that it can only come from a religious paradigm.

But…gods aren’t concerned about my standards … yet I should be judged by theirs.
No wonder it’s incomprehensible and unnatural.
Most people are very happy not to be judged according to other people’s religious paradigms.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Can you not just choose to be a good man as best as you know how without a religious framework - which are of increasing irrelevance to Australia socially and legally, today and into the future?

Who decides what good is? Would all atheists agree?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

But…gods aren’t concerned about my standards … yet I should be judged by theirs.
No wonder it’s incomprehensible and unnatural.
Most people are very happy not to be judged according to other people’s religious paradigms.

Except we are all judged by unnatural paradigms imposed by others. Look at Hayne. Look at the victims of the Russian and Chinese revolutions.

 

[the phantom menace]

Who decides what good is? Would all atheists agree?

The decision here would be intrinsic/individual, as per the original poster's words to "be a good man as best as you know how".

It's irrelevant in this scenario whether someone is doing that as an atheist or doing that within (or despite) a religious framework.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

The decision here would be intrinsic/individual, as per the original poster's words to "be a good man as best as you know how".

It's irrelevant in this scenario whether someone is doing that as an atheist or doing that within (or despite) a religious framework.

My point is it’s all the same thing.

 

[the phantom menace]

I wonder why someone would choose to dismiss the framework, religious or otherwise, that has historically shaped Australian society and its legal system, just because they personally find it irrelevant today?

Have you read much about the early days of the colonies? It would be hard to describe a lot of what went on in early "Australia" as being shaped by religious framework.

 

[the phantom menace]

My point is it’s all the same thing.

So we agree... I think? Deciding to be as good as you can doesn't require a religious framework?

 

[the phantom menace]

Justice is such an incomprehensibly unnatural phenomenon that it can only come from a religious paradigm.

No, it's looks like we don't agree.... This statement doesn't appear to align with your stated point that "it's all the same thing".

 

[the phantom menace]

Yep, the idea that we have any meaning or relevance is unscientific.

I can agree with that. We all tend to take everything - including "educating merkins" on here - way too seriously.

 

[Mojo]

dw Mojo you are allowed to make mistakes we all fall short of glory

Shucks, thanks. God is good and I, mere mortal, remain forever inglorious.
As long as your god thinks I’m completely insignificant we’ll both be happy.

 

[Mojo]

Except we are all judged by unnatural paradigms imposed by others. Look at Hayne. Look at the victims of the Russian and Chinese revolutions.

That’s why we have a justice system separate from religions. Judges and juries rather than religious inquisitions. It’s a question of how rational and reasonable the system of judgment is. Religion has no place in justice.

 

[emjaycee]

Have you read much about the early days of the colonies? It would be hard to describe a lot of what went on in early "Australia" as being shaped by religious framework.

Yep, I'm well aware of the early history of Australia, and despite the often flawed and brutal behaviour of early colonists, the foundations and principles of our legal and social systems were still influenced by the religious values of the time, whether you like it or not.

Ignoring the fact that these frameworks were the basis of the society we have today seems a bit disingenuous to me.

 

[the phantom menace]

Yep, I'm well aware of the early history of Australia, and despite the often flawed and brutal behaviour of early colonists, the foundations and principles of our legal and social systems were still influenced by the religious values of the time, whether you like it or not.

Ignoring the fact that these frameworks were the basis of the society we have today seems a bit disingenuous to me.

It can seem what you want it to seem I guess... if you want to see disingenuousity wherever you look, that's down to you.

But I wasn't ignoring those frameworks or their history. I was posing the question of whether someone can be "a good man as best as they know how" equally well outside of those frameworks as they might from within those frameworks. I believe someone can.

 

[Mojo]

Have you read much about the early days of the colonies? It would be hard to describe a lot of what went on in early "Australia" as being shaped by religious framework.

One poor bloke was hanged the day after he ‘stole’ a hand full of beans! An entire Aboriginal family was summarily executed because their father stole an apple.
But … justice was served in the name of god.