Hindy...can he get back to old ways??

[Bazal]

What do you think? I've been watching some of the old 2001-2002 games, and in all seriousness his attack was down by about 200% this season, while his defence was up by about 50-100%. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising him, his defence saved us so often this year. But I for one miss the barnstorming runs, smart try-assists through offloads, and devastating fringe-running of 2001 and 2002. Will it be enough for the other forwards to take some of the work off him, or do you think this defensive play has just become too ingrained??

 

[Morenito]

I think in 2001 we were always attacking and gaining momentum on most of our attacking sets. Compared to the last 2 years we have had a huge decrease in our attacking workload. There is definetly more defence and hence thats where we see Hindmarsh at work at his best. Im sure if we still had the attacking power of that year we would of seen more of those barnstorming runs. It just goes to show where
Hopefully 2005 will be that year. We will have to wait and see

 

[Utey]

It depends what his role in the game plan is. Most coaches use him right in the middle for mainly defensive purposes. Gould used him on the rucks and how good did that work in the second SOO. I think with Morrison and Wagon the defensive load will be lessened which will allow Hindy to get back to his old ways. His such a sound defender though and saved a heap of points this year. He plays at his best playing on the fridges of the ruck and marking himselves against small centres. In saying this our forward pack seem to be more experienced and better as overall players than our forwards this year providing Vella picks his game up and Cayless stays on the field majority of the year, Robinson is generally sound and Stringer gets involved. Good things to come in 05 IMO.

 

[Twizzle]

next year he wont have to make 40 tackles per game hopefully, so he has some petrol in the tank to attack

 

[CliffyIsGod]

Same thing with Steve Menzies over the last couple of years -- both teams have needed them to carry the team, especially in defense. With you guys adding Moro and we getting BK, it should take quite a bit of the load of these players.

 

[Pazza]

He is playing for the kangaroos and still averaging 40 tackles a game. Its his mentality of dominating the tackle which is why he keeps on getting involved in gang tackles. I guess he is the only player that took in our pre season training.

 

[planeteels]

in 01 our style of play was attack - and that was in all positions from side to side.

Hindy was working in a dominant pack and there were several players who dominated defensively, one being Ian Hindmarsh who is/was a tackling machine.

The 04 eels were defensively inept and woeful in attack. There wasn't anyone in the Team other than Hindmarsh that could truly say that they put 100% effort in during the games played. As a result of the inconsistent form, Hindy moved from attack to defence.

 

[The Colonel]

Hindmarsh suffers from a similar problem to that faced by Brad Clyde. Brad was one of the best attacking forwards ever to lace on a boot. Out on the fringes of the ruck Clyde could tear apart teams, however, as the potency of the Canberra pack started to lessen he took on the role of workhorse much the same way that Hindy has - by the end of his stint at Canberra he was effectively a front row forward. Both Clyde and Hindmarsh have phenomenal work rates and a desire to do whatever they can to get their team to win. Right now, its up to the rest of the forward pack to reduce Hindy's role....

 

[AlexTheEel]

Yeah I think this is one of the main reasons Smithy has brought in Glenn Morrison. Morrision is an 80 minute work-a-holic like Hindy and will play a similar role to what Ian Hindmarsh did in 01. I actually think next year Hindy will have his best ever season in first grade.

 

[fridge]

i dont think the 2001 season is a good season to make a comparison with.

the game has changed a lot since then. i think in 2001 we were the team who best adapted to the limited interchange system, and took advantage of the space well. the year after they changed the 10m rule, and losing about 2m each tackle really affected our attack.

the stats we pulled up in 2001 will probably never be repeated by another team ever.

 

[Eelementary]

What do you think? I've been watching some of the old 2001-2002 games, and in all seriousness his attack was down by about 200% this season, while his defence was up by about 50-100%. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising him, his defence saved us so often this year. But I for one miss the barnstorming runs, smart try-assists through offloads, and devastating fringe-running of 2001 and 2002. Will it be enough for the other forwards to take some of the work off him, or do you think this defensive play has just become too ingrained??

Mate, it's not a sin to criticise Hindmarsh. He deserves it less than many others, but he isn't completely devout of criticism.

However, to answer your question - yes. I think in the coming years Hindmarsh can get his attack back on track.

Key players in that will be Morrison and Wagon next year, who together with Hindy will share the defense and make 30 tackles each or so, leaving them open for attack.

And also Afamasaga - in the next few years he'll become a devastating young gun, and alongside Hindmarsh will provide a lot of go forward.

 

[Stagger eel]

What do you think? I've been watching some of the old 2001-2002 games, and in all seriousness his attack was down by about 200% this season, while his defence was up by about 50-100%. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising him, his defence saved us so often this year. But I for one miss the barnstorming runs, smart try-assists through offloads, and devastating fringe-running of 2001 and 2002. Will it be enough for the other forwards to take some of the work off him, or do you think this defensive play has just become too ingrained??

Mate, it's not a sin to criticise Hindmarsh. He deserves it less than many others, but he isn't completely devout of criticism.

However, to answer your question - yes. I think in the coming years Hindmarsh can get his attack back on track.

Key players in that will be Morrison and Wagon next year, who together with Hindy will share the defense and make 30 tackles each or so, leaving them open for attack.

And also Afamasaga - in the next few years he'll become a devastating young gun, and alongside Hindmarsh will provide a lot of go forward.

it also depends on the playing condition of our front rowers who I believe were terribly out of nick in certain times last year.

 

[Eelementary]

in 01 our style of play was attack - and that was in all positions from side to side.

Hindy was working in a dominant pack and there were several players who dominated defensively, one being Ian Hindmarsh who is/was a tackling machine.

The 04 eels were defensively inept and woeful in attack. There wasn't anyone in the Team other than Hindmarsh that could truly say that they put 100% effort in during the games played. As a result of the inconsistent form, Hindy moved from attack to defence.

Are you seriously saying that blokes like McKinnon, Petersen, Langi, Stapleton and Hopkins didn't give 100% effort?

Mate, they may not have played well, but they gave it 100% every time they played. I think both McKinnon and Hopkins are testament to that mentality.

 

[Eelementary]

What do you think? I've been watching some of the old 2001-2002 games, and in all seriousness his attack was down by about 200% this season, while his defence was up by about 50-100%. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising him, his defence saved us so often this year. But I for one miss the barnstorming runs, smart try-assists through offloads, and devastating fringe-running of 2001 and 2002. Will it be enough for the other forwards to take some of the work off him, or do you think this defensive play has just become too ingrained??

Mate, it's not a sin to criticise Hindmarsh. He deserves it less than many others, but he isn't completely devout of criticism.

However, to answer your question - yes. I think in the coming years Hindmarsh can get his attack back on track.

Key players in that will be Morrison and Wagon next year, who together with Hindy will share the defense and make 30 tackles each or so, leaving them open for attack.

And also Afamasaga - in the next few years he'll become a devastating young gun, and alongside Hindmarsh will provide a lot of go forward.

it also depends on the playing condition of our front rowers who I believe were terribly out of nick in certain times last year.

Yes, good point.

Cannings, Stringer, Robinson, Vella, Tsoulos, Backo - if these guys stay fit, they will be a MASSIVE asset to our go-forward.

And like I have said before - I am a huge Cannings fan, and I think him fit will be a huge benefit to our go-forward.

 

[eelsta]

Same thing with Steve Menzies over the last couple of years -- both teams have needed them to carry the team, especially in defense. With you guys adding Moro and we getting BK, it should take quite a bit of the load of these players.

good point cliffy lets keep our fingers crossed

 

[stuke]

i do think that ian hindmarsh was terribly underrated (not by everyone) while he was at parra as he seemed to get through a lot of the workload that often goes unnoticed while the other members of the pack were shining and getting the recognition. his loss has put all of the emphasis on nathan, who has been baring the load of virtually the entire pack for a few seasons now.

every team needs a forward like this that gets through the hard work but often goes unnoticed. i thought tony grimaldi was sensational for the dogs this year but he is also probably the least well known of their forward pack. while these players go about their business each week it allows the others to star. unfortunately for us our 'star' each week has been the bloke getting through all of the work and it stands to reason that one area of his play has to diminish.

while it is an undoubted benefit to have our back three capable of playing the entire 80 minutes it might also be a nice luxury to give hindy and morrison a short breather, maybe a few minutes before and after half time, before unleashing them again on the opposition.

 

[fridge]

true, ian hindmarsh was a bit underrated by parra and andrew ryan as well.

but i remember most of us were pretty cut by both of them leaving.

 

[thedux]

I don't think the plan in 2001 was necessarily aimed at being so attacking, it's just that the defensive pattern was much more efficient and we controlled the ball a lot better with JT running the show. Any player with Hindy's ability across the park is going to thrive in these circumstances.

 

[PB]

Colonel is on the mark with the comparison to brad Clyde.

I also agree that Hindmarsh's attacking effectiveness was taken after 2001 with the new interpretation of the 10 metres and the play the ball. He used to make great yards from dummy half.

He is developing a good offload game. And the way he was used on the blind side and fringes by Gould in S.O.O suited him.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

There wasn't anyone in the Team other than Hindmarsh that could truly say that they put 100% effort in during the games played. quote]

*cough*Wade McKinnon*cough* ;-)

true, ian hindmarsh was a bit underrated by parra and andrew ryan as well.

but i remember most of us were pretty cut by both of them leaving.

And the award for understatement of the year goes to fridge!