Hodges' Shoulder

[salivor]

The point of the article was that he isn't well enough to play, he was playing with injury because he wanted to win another premiership and was waiting until the end of the season, you can whinge all you want about how he should be playing for the good of the game but if he isn't fit enough to play and can risk further damage then pull him out. f**ks sake i only come to this forum to look at what other people are thinking and it is f**k heads like you that make this place such a sh*t hole.

Playing through injury and not being fit enough to play at all are 2 different things. He's obviously been fit enough to pass the Broncos standards when it comes to their fitness tests so unless there has been a dramatic change between the Melbourne match and now and he fails those same fitness markers set at club level then he should play for the Kangaroos.

It just makes a mockery of international football when clubs are prepared to play players not completely 100% and then not let those players continue to do so at the international level by scheduling early off-season surgery. No other international sport would stand for that kind of crap.

As for your last comment, stop throwing your toys out of the cot. Don't dish it out if you can't take it back.

 

[Stizyler]

f**k your a dickhead, he isn't 100% like you say, he should have had surgery weeks ago but he wanted to win a premiership. When the Kangaroo's get payed like the Wallabies, then you have an argument at the moment the Club pays for the players so they should have final say if the player is fit to play or not. f**k Hodges being out is good for the game, it will even the playing field a bit. did you complain when Asotasi, Pritchard, Matai just to name a few were ruled out because they needed surgery. it is the same thing.

 

[Big Pete]

Hodges sweats on scan results

October 13, 2008 THE guessing game over Justin Hodges' World Cup availability will end Tuesday, according to ARL doctor Hugh Hazzard.
While Hazzard again talked up Hodges' fitness, Brisbane boss Bruno Cullen has still not ruled out a shoulder reconstruction for the Broncos centre.

But the Hodges mystery is set to be solved Tuesday when the gamebreaker visits a surgeon and discusses scan results.

“He's had his scan, he's being reviewed by a surgeon tomorrow,” Hazzard told AAP.

“At this stage he is in. There's no suggestion that he was out.

“It's just a follow-up because he's had an injury for a long time.

“I make no prediction but at this stage both he and the club are confident that he will be fine.

“He has been playing with it for Brisbane. Hopefully he can play with it at the World Cup as well.”

Broncos boss Bruno Cullen says the NRL club will allow Hodges to play with a niggling shoulder injury at the World Cup.

But Cullen said the Broncos centre would not be allowed to put off major surgery to realise his World Cup dream.

“We want all of our players to play rep football, that's why you play,” he told AAP.

“We are happy for him to go into these sorts of tournaments with niggling injuries.

“But if it is the worst case scenario and Justin needs a reconstruction then we want that to happen straight away.

“That's six months (recovery). To put off a reconstruction until after the World Cup would mean June or July (return) next year which is half the season (gone).

“With all due respect to all the World Cup organisers and Justin, we are paying substantial amounts of money for his services and we want him to play for us.

“But we won't be making a decision to pull him out until we know exactly what is required and what the professional advice is.”

Hodges played only 14 games for Brisbane in a 2008 season disrupted by suspension and injury.

Queensland-based Australian players are not required to go into camp in Sydney until Friday.

Surprisingly only two - Hodges, if fit, and skipper Darren Lockyer - will arrive from Brisbane.

Cullen said he was still surprised forward Sam Thaiday and full-back Karmichael Hunt missed the 24-strong Australian squad.

Thaiday, Hunt and Broncos teammate Darius Boyd were interviewed by Queensland detectives over an alleged sexual assault days before Brisbane's knockout NRL finals loss to Melbourne.

“I probably thought Justin, Darren, K (Hunt) and Sammy were there or thereabouts for the World Cup squad but they weren't and we will just get on with it,” he said.

Thaiday scooped the pool at the weekend Broncos presentation night, claiming player of the year, players' player and best forward awards.

Cullen said it was “business as usual” at the Broncos, barely 48 hours after officially farewelling foundation coach Wayne Bennett at the awards night.

Cullen described Bennett as a “real icon of the game” but said the club was wasting no time preparing for 2009.

New head coach and Bennett's former assistant Ivan Henjak has already held a three-day seminar on the Gold Coast with his 2009 staff.

Source: Foxsports

 

[salivor]

f**k your a dickhead, he isn't 100% like you say, he should have had surgery weeks ago but he wanted to win a premiership. When the Kangaroo's get payed like the Wallabies, then you have an argument at the moment the Club pays for the players so they should have final say if the player is fit to play or not. f**k Hodges being out is good for the game, it will even the playing field a bit. did you complain when Asotasi, Pritchard, Matai just to name a few were ruled out because they needed surgery. it is the same thing.

I'm a dickhead? Still throwing those toys I see.

You do realise that you don't have to be 100% fit to pass a fitness test? Every week players take the field not being 100%. It's the nature of the game that players and clubs take those risks and if they're prepared to take those risks at club level then they should definitely be prepared to take those risks at international level. If it's good enough for Hodges to delay surgery and play on for a premiership then it's good enough for Hodges to delay surgery and play on for a World Cup.

As for your other examples. Of course I complained and it's been going on for years. The Wests Tigers for example have dudded the Kiwis several times with bullsh*t off-season surgeries scheduled.

But you're right, I'm the dickhead because I want to see our sport and in turn our club involved in a sport that has a future beyond being a minor sport confined to the eastern seaboard of Australia. I'm a dickhead because I put the games interest above that of my club. Yes I'm the dickhead here....

 

[Stizyler]

But Cullen said the Broncos centre would not be allowed to put off major surgery to realise his World Cup dream.

“We want all of our players to play rep football, that's why you play,” he told AAP.

“We are happy for him to go into these sorts of tournaments with niggling injuries.

“But if it is the worst case scenario and Justin needs a reconstruction then we want that to happen straight away.

“That's six months (recovery). To put off a reconstruction until after the World Cup would mean June or July (return) next year which is half the season (gone).

“With all due respect to all the World Cup organisers and Justin, we are paying substantial amounts of money for his services and we want him to play for us.

This article highlights everything i have been trying to get through to you Sal, you thick piece of sh*t.

 

[salivor]

This article highlights everything i have been trying to get through to you Sal, you thick piece of sh*t.

Geez you're just oozing class now.

You've been trying to get through to me? Where have I denied that the club pays his wage or that by playing in the world cup and delaying surgery that he won't be fit for the season's start?

What I've been trying to get through to you is that I don't care. The international game needs to come first and it'll always be a joke as long as the game sits back and let's the clubs dictate terms. You seem content with that set-up and content to put your club before the game.

 

[salivor]

And Bruno's comments really sum up perfectly exactly what is holding the international game back. The NRL's grant to the clubs almost matches the salary cap, a better pay TV deal next time around and it should match it dollar for dollar. It's time that the game bit the bullet and centralised contracts taking back the power from the clubs.

 

[Stizyler]

When Rugby League internations get payed the same as Union Internationals for playing for their country, then you have a case to answer for. as it stands unlike other sports the big bucks in league comes from the clubs there for the clubs have every right to pull players out of test matches if it means they wont be fit for the regular season. as for the swearing. harden the f**k up will you.

 

[salivor]

When Rugby League internations get payed the same as Union Internationals for playing for their country, then you have a case to answer for. as it stands unlike other sports the big bucks in league comes from the clubs there for the clubs have every right to pull players out of test matches if it means they wont be fit for the regular season. as for the swearing. harden the f**k up will you.

Yet clubs wouldn't dare pull this kind of sh*t at origin time and you know it. f**k Gillmeister was allowed to crawl from a hospital bed, play a dead rubber for Qld and be raced back to hospital directly after the game and the examples could go on and on. They only pull this sh*t and the "we pay the wages" line for internationals.

Actually I don't give a sh*t about the swearing or the insults. You're the one who set the tone when you had this cry:

f**ks sake i only come to this forum to look at what other people are thinking and it is f**k heads like you that make this place such a sh*t hole.

I'm just highlighting how classy you've been from that point on.

 

[Stizyler]

Yet clubs wouldn't dare pull this kind of sh*t at origin time and you know it. f**k Gillmeister was allowed to crawl from a hospital bed, play a dead rubber for Qld and be raced back to hospital directly after the game and the examples could go on and on. They only pull this sh*t and the "we pay the wages" line for internationals.

Origin happens mid season, how many examples can you think of that a player has not been allowed to play origin because they have needed a recon -none because that defeats the purpose of the player being fit for his club team.

Actually I don't give a sh*t about the swearing or the insults. You're the one who set the tone when you had this cry:

I'm just highlighting how classy you've been from that point on.

Again, harden the f**k up, i was merely pointing out that this place is run and is full of arseholes like you that know nothing about the game, i am not here to be classy i am here to get my point across.

 

[Stizyler]

You still have completely skipped over my point of how the Union Internationals are payed. not to mention how much stronger their international game is. the Australian selectors set their standards when they selected nuffy's like Tupou, Williams, Perry ect to play for Aus but left out players like Hunt, Thaiday, Myles and Harrison. Hodges isn't needed to win the world cup, he is needed for the Broncos to win the premiership, the Broncos are the ones paying him. what more don't you get? oh and don't give me any bullsh*t like "yeah but i don't agree with" or "thats what is wrong with" im telling you how it is and i have already told you that when the international players get payed they way they should then fine let the players play in the test matches but if it stays the same then and the club is the one handing out the pay cheques, well the international board can go f**k themselves.

 

[salivor]

Origin happens mid season, how many examples can you think of that a player has not been allowed to play origin because they have needed a recon -none because that defeats the purpose of the player being fit for his club team.

Frank Pritchard played nearly half a season this year needing a reconstruction. Was it not some princess who said:

The Broncos are the ones paying him why should they let him play with the potability for further damage and maybe missing more time.

So remind me again how many players have been pulled from SOO due to playing through injury and the club not wanting them to do further damage?

I've seen the Wests Tigers dictate to the Kiwis how long they were allowed to play Marshall for in a mid-season test, I haven't seen a club have the balls to put such demands on NSW or Qld.

Again, harden the f**k up, i was merely pointing out that this place is run and is full of arseholes like you that know nothing about the game, i am not here to be classy i am here to get my point across.

Yeah keep painting it however you want. You have a cry that people like me make this place a sh*thole for you to come to and now want to paint me as needing to harden the f**k up? You've missed the hypocrisy of this for some 15 odd posts now, don't let me stop you as you're clearly on a roll.

 

[salivor]

You still have completely skipped over my point of how the Union Internationals are payed. not to mention how much stronger their international game is. the Australian selectors set their standards when they selected nuffy's like Tupou, Williams, Perry ect to play for Aus but left out players like Hunt, Thaiday, Myles and Harrison. Hodges isn't needed to win the world cup, he is needed for the Broncos to win the premiership, the Broncos are the ones paying him. what more don't you get? oh and don't give me any bullsh*t like "yeah but i don't agree with" or "thats what is wrong with" im telling you how it is and i have already told you that when the international players get payed they way they should then fine let the players play in the test matches but if it stays the same then and the club is the one handing out the pay cheques, well the international board can go f**k themselves.

Did it ever occur to you that Union has managed to get itself into that position by putting stock in it's international game and growing it rather than putting it's clubs wants and needs first?

Again this isn't a f**ken debate on whether the clubs are the ones that pay the players or not. That's not a discussion nor a debate because it's not in dispute. This is a debate on whether clubs or the game should be put first. With comments like the international board can go f**k themselves it's quite clear which camp you put yourself in. You can't even grasp the conversation at hand, f**k me.

 

[Stizyler]

What i meant with the SOO comment was if it happened at the end of the year you would see players pulled alot more but as it happends mid season, what do clubs get out of pulling a player out to have a recon? (because that is really what we are talking about) Look at Thurston last year, playing with 2 stuffed shoulders well enough to play but at soon as the season ended he was booked in and had 6 moths recovery time consequentially couldn't play in the tests - obviously a 12 year old like yourself can't grasp that??

Did it ever occur to you that Union has managed to get itself into that position by putting stock in it's international game and growing it rather than putting it's clubs wants and needs first?

You might be right, but as since the international board is already refusing players like Moi Moi and Tuaki the opportunity to play and Australia is selecting players because they would be playing fro rivals (Tupou) i don't see why the clubs should help them, especially since they aren't paying.

 

[salivor]

What i meant with the SOO comment was if it happened at the end of the year you would see players pulled alot more but as it happends mid season, what do clubs get out of pulling a player out to have a recon? (because that is really what we are talking about) Look at Thurston last year, playing with 2 stuffed shoulders well enough to play but at soon as the season ended he was booked in and had 6 moths recovery time consequentially couldn't play in the tests - obviously a 12 year old like yourself can't grasp that??

Now who is avoiding points? When is the last time a club dictated to NSW or Qld when they could have a player and how long they could play him? When the Tigers pulled that sh*t they did so mid season not at the end of the year.

The status the clubs afford SOO despite paying the players wages (and it costs them even more with contract upgrades) is clear and it's also clear by the numourous examples given and there's plenty more that International league isn't afforded that same status. It wouldn't make a damn difference whether it was played pre-season, mid year or at the end of the year, clubs wouldn't be allowed to get away with it and you know it.

You might be right, but as since the international board is already refusing players like Moi Moi and Tuaki the opportunity to play and Australia is selecting players because they would be playing fro rivals (Tupou) i don't see why the clubs should help them, especially since they aren't paying.

The Tuiaki and Moi Moi decision is the international board actually trying to do something about the mickey mouse situation of players switching countries every 5 seconds. That's a very poor example to use.

 

[Stizyler]

Now who is avoiding points? When is the last time a club dictated to NSW or Qld when they could have a player and how long they could play him? When the Tigers pulled that sh*t they did so mid season not at the end of the year.

The status the clubs afford SOO despite paying the players wages (and it costs them even more with contract upgrades) is clear and it's also clear by the numourous examples given and there's plenty more that International league isn't afforded that same status. It wouldn't make a damn difference whether it was played pre-season, mid year or at the end of the year, clubs wouldn't be allowed to get away with it and you know it.



The Tuiaki and Moi Moi decision is the international board actually trying to do something about the mickey mouse situation of players switching countries every 5 seconds. That's a very poor example to use.

Yeah keep telling yourself that:roll::roll:

 

[Twigg]

Hodges OUT

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24495897-23214,00.html