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Holmes a court - RL players need more money

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Other sportsmen are paid more because in no other code apart from the NRL does a media company doesn't contribute 50% of the board members to a Board that decides to whom and for how much TV rights (the biggest source of income in world sport) are sold
 

Perth Red

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Getting the salary cap up to a level that stops players leaving for SL would be a start!
 

Quidgybo

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I agree that RL players probably deserve more than what they are getting (I'll explain why in a moment) and I do think that the game needs to keep pace with the market - both within the Rugby codes and in relation to the wider Australian sports market - so as to protect our supply of quality talent. But that said, I think there are plenty of other areas in the game that need to be better funded too. These include closing the gap between club grants and the salary cap so as to ensure financial security for our clubs (and lessen the reliance on income from sources like poker machines) and to guarantee the level of wages we already pay the players. And it of course includes better funding to junior development and better funding to second tier competitions so that the game can maintain a major presence in short term NRL prospects like Perth and Wellington and longer term growth centres like Toowoomba, Darwin and Albury/Wodonga. So the players are by no means the only ones who deserve more money and they are perhaps not even the most pressing at this point.

But as I said, I do believe they deserve more money and here's why. The average annual wage for a male Australian is currently in the region of $55,000 - $60,000. Over a typical working life time of about 45 years they could therefore be reasonably expected to earn around $2.5m. A RL player's career is of course much shorter - a decade at the top grade is pretty good, 15 years is exceptional. Five or six years is probably more the norm. Ignoring post football earnings for a moment, a player would have to earn in the area of half a million per year for five years to match the career earnings of the average Australian male over 45 years. But based on a salary cap of $4m divided between a squad of 25 players we are currently seeing an average of around $160,000 per year or about a third of what they'd need to be to put RL players on par with the average full working life for Australian males.

Of course there are opportunities for post football earnings and football related endorsements so these figures are not entirely accurate. But it must be kept in mind that by pursuing a RL career, the majority of players who do not find post career opportunities within the game, are at a considerable disadvantage in the work force because they are starting a decade behind their competition. Football is no substitute for an apprenticeship or tertiary eduction and five or so six years of industry experience. So where does the correct wage level lie for our stars? In my humble opinion it is probably at least double the current wage level and somewhere between that and three times the current wage level. But it is most certainly not in the area of multiple millions per year. American and Soccer wages of $10m per year and up are just obscene. While there remain homeless people on the streets, families living in poverty and the disgrace of some of our remote Aboriginal communities I don't see how we can in good conscious justify such gross excess in a country built on the fair go.

But as I said at the top, there are plenty of other areas of the game that are crying out for funding too. And there's no point even considering wage rises until the game actually has the money to spend. That's where the real challenge lies - which is exactly what PHaC has pointed out.

Leigh.
 

innsaneink

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I think they get more than enough.
All players begin playing because of a love for the game, they do not play to earn money.
Others choose vocations at school that will earn them big bucks.
Its a choice.
 
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innsaneink said:
I think they get more than enough.
All players begin playing because of a love for the game, they do not play to earn money.
Others choose vocations at school that will earn them big bucks.
Its a choice.
Crap .. they are being underpaid because Fox Sports are grossly underpaying for the rights. If Fox paid the market rate for the premier winter sport in Australia the salary cap would be $6 or $7m ... $200k after tax is 120k a yr ... or 2500/wk (give or take) net That is not a lot with the way wages are today. This $4m salary cap is a level that has had to be set because the pot is artificially small due to News Ltd's/Fox Sports' underpaying of rights. Setanta has pinched this yr's Euro 2008 from Fox Sports ... it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Setanta have a real dig at the NRL next time. They were wealthy enough to get a slice of the EPL action from Sky in England and if they want a real foothold in oz (and NZ) then the NRL is where they'll have a crack .. they mightn't get it but it will force Fox to pay a market rate (something they aren't doing now)
 

legend

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Move the salary cap to five million, fully funded by the governing body and all the wage issues are resolved.

Let the clubs attract sponsors to run the team on a day to day basis.

A fully sponsored playing kit/strip should be worth a few million IMO.

This would also reduce the dependence on pokie revenue, which will continue to bite hard on Leagues Clubs.
 
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themanonthehill said:
Crap .. they are being underpaid because Fox Sports are grossly underpaying for the rights. If Fox paid the market rate for the premier winter sport in Australia the salary cap would be $6 or $7m ... $200k after tax is 120k a yr ... or 2500/wk (give or take) net That is not a lot with the way wages are today. This $4m salary cap is a level that has had to be set because the pot is artificially small due to News Ltd's/Fox Sports' underpaying of rights. Setanta has pinched this yr's Euro 2008 from Fox Sports ... it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Setanta have a real dig at the NRL next time. They were wealthy enough to get a slice of the EPL action from Sky in England and if they want a real foothold in oz (and NZ) then the NRL is where they'll have a crack .. they mightn't get it but it will force Fox to pay a market rate (something they aren't doing now)

spot on.

Channel 9 under pay as well for 3 games.

edit : and setanta were interested in the SL TV rights. their interest forced Sky to make a much bigger offer for SL this time around (roughly around 2.5 million pounds extra pa)
 

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dallymessenger said:
http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/give-our-stars-more-money/2008/01/19/1200620275131.html


couldnt agree more.

for how hard they train, how many games they play, how tough the game is and playing with pain they deserve more.

how a union player like giteau gets $1.5 million and players far more able than him dont get half that is blatantly unfair

It comes down to how much money the game can generate. It's not as if we can increase the cap by 1 million bucks. The games has had it problems sustaining growth as it is.
 
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COACH STERLING said:
It comes down to how much money the game can generate. It's not as if we can increase the cap by 1 million bucks. The games has had it problems sustaining growth as it is.
The game can sustain a lot more The problem is the pot is artificially small due to the NRL board (well 50% of it) having a major conflicting interest How can a Board member satisfy 2 criteria that are diametrically opposed: 1. A News Ltd /Fox Sports has as his goal profit maximisation. This is achieved by reducing cost by as much as feasible 2. A NRL Board Member has a goal of revenue maximisation. 50% of the NRL board are appointed by News Ltd whose goal is profit maximisation How the f**k this shemozzle is allowed to continue is anyone's guess but it doesn't happen in any other sport in the world
 
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COACH STERLING said:
It comes down to how much money the game can generate. It's not as if we can increase the cap by 1 million bucks. The games has had it problems sustaining growth as it is.

the game doesnt get the TV deals it deserves

AFL gets almost double or $80 million more pa than us.

yet despite that, we actually deliver more ratings for our TV broadcasters.

how does more ratings = less money?
 

Danish

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Sure, now that Souths have deep pockets, they protest that the salary cap is too low....
 

Perth Red

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Realistically the NRL should be aiming for a grant/salary cap of 5mill per club. With expansion of the league by two clubs by the 2012 TV deal it means we need a TV deal worth $90mill a year. This should be achievable if the deal is fair.

The NRL can use the remaining income from SOO, other sponsorships and internet/mobile phone rights to raise the remaining $35mill a year it needs to run the show.

Anything less than this is an abject failure of Gallop and the NRL board imo.
 

big ern

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the only thing they should do is have a mininum wage of 60k, but alot of they players running around today would have trouble getting a decent job. So I don't think they deserve more money, alot of sportsman/women in other sports don't get the same sort of money these players get.remember sports sports
 

fourplay

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innsaneink said:
I think they get more than enough.
All players begin playing because of a love for the game, they do not play to earn money.
Others choose vocations at school that will earn them big bucks.
Its a choice.

So you'd rather the profits that the NRL generates go to News Ltd. fat cats than the players? because that is where all the extra money is going too... they are ripping off junior RL aswell as the players and everyone involved.

The NRL is watched by more people on TV than the AFL.. and the AFL force the networks to show their games live in non-heartland areas which costs them a lot of money, yet their TV deal is double that of the NRL.

Everything else is really irrelevent until the NRL starts getting its real value from the TV rights.
 

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