How Roosters plan to win the 2012 Grand Final

[Charlie124]

because carl webb says so...?

No. Because common sense says so.

 

[Eels Dude]

A roosters side which only relies on local juniors or developed players and no recruits? No Chance.

A Brian Smith coach side which only relies on local juniors or developed players and no recruits? No chance.

Two of these miracles occuring simultaneously. No chance.

 

[slippy]

If you wanna see a side actually rebuilding nicely from top to bottom check out Parramatta.

 

[sting]

who cares about the roosters?

 

[Firey_Dragon]

Where do you think Tom Symonds will be playing? Five eighth?

Last weekend Tom Symonds made 3 line breaks, Mitch Aubusson made none. Tom made 22 tackles, Aubusson made 11. Mitch has had two years more experience of first grade than Tom. These stats tell me that Tom is a boom centre in the making, and will be an awesome combo with future super star JP du Plessis by 2011.

He looks to me to be exactly like what Bryan Fletcher looked like at that age. He'll end up in the 2nd row for sure.

To be honest, he's probably the only junior to come out of the Roosters that has genuinely impressed me in recent years. The rest are over-hyped. I don't know why you're bothering comparing him to Mitchell Aubusson, you're comparing him with a useless center, it's not a meaningful ground for comparison.

As for Du Plessis, have you actually seen him play? He doesn't even know how to play rugby league yet, how the hell could u say it would be an awesome combo when his adaptation of the game is a complete unknown? 3/4 line play is a completely different kettle of fish in league from union. The workrate is much higher.

As for your side as it stands... The aubusson's, nuuasala, sa, kenny-dowall, and pearce are all massively overrated within your fanbase. They are all average first graders at best. Pearce could develop to more than that, but he is no superstar like the mates of his father in the media would like you to believe. Anasta and Pearce are one of the most uncreative halves combinations in the NRL, Carney may change that but he is still a huge gamble.

I'll be amazed if there are over 5 players left standing once Smith gets his hands on that rabble.

 

[gregstar]

surely the roosters' plan to win the 012 comp will simply be to pick the eyes out of another club or two.

 

[squiddy]

I doubt Mason will be there in 2012

 

[Albert Rosenfeld]

He looks to me to be exactly like what Bryan Fletcher looked like at that age. He'll end up in the 2nd row for sure.

To be honest, he's probably the only junior to come out of the Roosters that has genuinely impressed me in recent years. The rest are over-hyped. I don't know why you're bothering comparing him to Mitchell Aubusson, you're comparing him with a useless center, it's not a meaningful ground for comparison.

I am comparing him with Aubusson because Aubusson was the player next to him in the centres, and a more experienced one to boot. Aubusson will be retained next year for only as long as it takes to groom JP du Plessis.

As for Du Plessis, have you actually seen him play? He doesn't even know how to play rugby league yet, how the hell could u say it would be an awesome combo when his adaptation of the game is a complete unknown? 3/4 line play is a completely different kettle of fish in league from union. The workrate is much higher.

I'll be amazed if there are over 5 players left standing once Smith gets his hands on that rabble.

Centres and wingers can usually adapt very easily from union to league. Michael O'Connor is the best example ever. But the Roosters have their own good experience with Ryan Cross.

Du Plessis came with a huge rap from his rugby union coach in South Africa, who runs the best elite rugby union academy in the nation.

The only rugby league judge of talent who has seen du Plessis play is Peter Sullivan. This is the same Peter Sullivan who discovered Greg Inglis and Israel Folau. That is all that you or I or anyone else on this forum needs to know to be sure that the Roosters have snared a future super star.

 

[Non Terminator]

You beat me to it. :crazy:

SKD, Sa and Koupa will be lucky to be there next year.

Let alone half the others. Less than three of the mentioned will be in our side imo.

 

[nz eagle]

I doubt carney will be able to stay sober to 2012. Brian Smith is gonna cull big time at the Roosters, I would not be suprised to see a dozen players be shown the door.

 

[Albert Rosenfeld]

I doubt carney will be able to stay sober to 2012. Brian Smith is gonna cull big time at the Roosters, I would not be suprised to see a dozen players be shown the door.

A dozen players could be shown the door and that would still leave room for the ones I mentioned.

I agree that the odds are against Willie Mason being retained beyond 2010, which is why I placed a question mark after his name.

But the rest should be there, including the very talented Mitchell Pearce, Shaun Kenny-Dowell, and Sam Perrett.

The youngsters on show last Sunday are sure to be kept on as well, especially the red heads, with Symonds and du Plessis holding down regular slots by 2011.

 

[God-King Dean]

Needs more Nathan Wood.

 

[Hanscholo]

Having smith means you wont have guys like Carney of Friend...I expect him to build a really nice side there over the next two years but i highly doubt it will contain more than 2 or 3 of the current roster.

 

[Firey_Dragon]

I am comparing him with Aubusson because Aubusson was the player next to him in the centres, and a more experienced one to boot. Aubusson will be retained next year for only as long as it takes to groom JP du Plessis.

You still didn't quite get my point. Aubusson is a pathetic center, if Symonds looks better than him, it is no achievement.

Centres and wingers can usually adapt very easily from union to league. Michael O'Connor is the best example ever. But the Roosters have their own good experience with Ryan Cross.

There are success stories in every position, but for every one of them, there are hundreds of failed ones. Until he plays the game you simply do not know.

Du Plessis came with a huge rap from his rugby union coach in South Africa, who runs the best elite rugby union academy in the nation.

The only rugby league judge of talent who has seen du Plessis play is Peter Sullivan. This is the same Peter Sullivan who discovered Greg Inglis and Israel Folau. That is all that you or I or anyone else on this forum needs to know to be sure that the Roosters have snared a future super star.

Sullivan also spoke highly of Sisa Waqa, one of your dud wingers this season. The quality of Folau and Inglis were known before the storm bought them in scouting circles, he was just willing to pay more for them when they weren't proven. It's actually a philosophy that has worked well for the Storm with many players, it doesn't mean he is more astute at spotting talent just willing to put a little bit more money behind his convictions. But you don't hear about the failures, only successes.

The reality is, even if this kid is as brilliant as he's talked up to be, it'll be at least 2-3 years before he instinctively knows how to play the game.

 

[wittyfan]

No Sandor Earl?

 

[Albert Rosenfeld]

No Sandor Earl?

"Sandor" is, as you are no doubt aware, a Hungarian name. I don't know whether his mum is Hungarian, or his dad is and changed the family name to Earl. But the boy is definitely of Hungarian heritage.

Sandor's time at the Roosters has been a good way for him to establish contacts in the Eastern Suburbs Hungarian community, especially in the cafes of Double Bay. Expect the RL European Federation to announce soon the creation of a Hungarian rugby league -- initially set up on the RLEF drawing board as the "Goulash League." Given the close ties between wealthy Eastern Suburbs residents of Hungarian heritage, and the motherland, Hungary is a great potential future recruitment area for the juniors-starved Roosters. The "Goulash League" will also provide local competition for the already successful Czech Rugby League, and provide a springboard for rugby league's expansion into neighbouring Romania. Sandor Earl is quite possibly being groomed for a position in the first Hungarian national team.

Brian Smith, who is not of Hungarian heritage, doesn't know much about East-Central Europe at all -- other than that his more popular and influential brother Tony is geographically closer to it than he is. Smith will nevertheless be under pressure from the RLEF through the RLIF and its Hungarian pastry loving Chairman Colin Love, to retain Sandor at the Roosters for that reason, even if only as a reserve.

 

[Big Pete]

:lol: sorry mate didn't you hear? Cronulla is going to win in 2012. They've been building up to that year for a looooong time. You can try for 2013 though.

 

[AlbertRosenfeld]

You still didn't quite get my point. Aubusson is a pathetic center, if Symonds looks better than him, it is no achievement..

I quite got your point. But Aubusson remained the only comparison valid on the field last Sunday. There wasn't another Roosters centre to compare him with. Nevertheless Symonds looked good not only compared to Aubusson but also to the rest of the team, in attack. He made three line breaks (Perret made 2), scored a try, and helped Pearce create another for Pearce. He had the third highest number of tackles in the team. The commentators pointed out that in the Roosters recent match against Penrith, in a beaten team Symonds was the only bright light, and looked very good.

There are success stories in every position, but for every one of them, there are hundreds of failed ones. Until he plays the game you simply do not know..

Hundreds? Give me a break! I do know that the Roosters have had two wonderfuls experiences of successful conversion of centres from rugby union --- John Brass and Ryan Cross. I don't know of any failures at all.

Manly can claim success with the brilliant Michael O'Connor, Souths had Phil Hawthorn. In Britain you had the immaculate Welshman David Watkins. Who are these hundreds of failures? OK, I' give you a break: give me the names of ten failed rugby union centre converts!

Sullivan also spoke highly of Sisa Waqa, one of your dud wingers this season. The quality of Folau and Inglis were known before the storm bought them in scouting circles, he was just willing to pay more for them when they weren't proven. It's actually a philosophy that has worked well for the Storm with many players, it doesn't mean he is more astute at spotting talent just willing to put a little bit more money behind his convictions. But you don't hear about the failures, only successes..

"You don't hear about the failures." That is a convenient excuse for not being able to name any of them. I am talking about marquee players, not park football converts.

The reality is, even if this kid is as brilliant as he's talked up to be, it'll be at least 2-3 years before he instinctively knows how to play the game.

That should make him a permanent fixture by 2011-2012.

 

[Mr Saab]

Where is Darren Rameka

 

[gregstar]

o'connor & hawthorne both converted to league through saints.