How to stop Union poaching players?

[yosh64]

How much does the salary cap need to be to stop union poaching players? They already struggle to get our topline players (gaz, joey), they now go for the cheaper guys (cross, schifcofske). So would $5-$5.5m be enough to make it difficult to poach a league player?

Clearly players join cause of the money (Lote), or when they cant get into representative teams (tahu, cross, schifcofske). So hypothetically what is the level that the salary cap provides sufficient money for players to not need to join union?

 

[legend]

At least $5 million with the NRL to fund 100% of the annual grant.

 

[Slackboy72]

Then you would have to convince the players that they don't want to give union a try.

The only way to stop the poaching is by having a strong Warratahs, Reds and Wallabies squad. Look at the Brumbies. How many league players have they poached? ARU, NSWRU and QLDRU think they can just buy success, so when they run out of talent to poach from the Brumbies they turn to league.
ACTRU bred success with the right culture at the Brumbies so they don't even think about poaching.

 

[In-goal]

The biggest hurdle we face from Union is the fact that they will always have money on the back of the Rah Rah chardonay types who attend the Internationals.

When the RLIF finaly commision a good international program for the Kangaroos we may see this negated slightly through the fact that it may keep our top players always.

Second stringers aren't a worry, or a loss to the game just a small problem that generaly get replaced by better younger players.

 

[Tom Shines]

By 2012, Rugby Onion will only be played by a handful of fat kids in Private schools.
It won't be a problem for much longer.

 

[ozbash]

By 2012, Rugby Onion will only be played by a handful of fat kids in Private schools.
It won't be a problem for much longer.

what a load of crap.

you wont stop players turning to union just as you wont stop union players turning to league.

rugby league should take a leaf out of unions book and look ahead, rather than worrying what the other code is up to.

going on the current decline in sydney (rl center of the universe) crowds, i,d say league in NSW should get its own house in order first.

 

[Woods99]

The ARU did not make an offer to Andrew Johns. Eddie Jones wanted him, but the High Performance Manager at the time, Brett Robinson, didn't. Eddie lost out.

Maybe Joey would have refused an ARU offer, but we will never know, because the only offer on the table was from the Waratahs plus third-parties.

It is only a matter of time before the European clubs start raiding the NRL playing ranks. Then you will have something to worry about.:shock:

 

[Ridders]

until the NRL's grant to the clubs can be equal to the salary cap, the cap should never be increased

 

[Choppies]

By 2012, Rugby Onion will only be played by a handful of fat kids in Private schools.
It won't be a problem for much longer.

You give it that long? :shock:

 

[russ13]

... Look at the Brumbies. How many league players have they poached? ARU, NSWRU and QLDRU think they can just buy success, so when they run out of talent to poach from the Brumbies they turn to league.
ACTRU bred success with the right culture at the Brumbies so they don't even think about poaching.

Peter Ryan was one. Mat Giteau came from a RL background & a couple of the Queenslanders that they had playing for them also played RL as juniors.

 

[thommo4pm]

Show the players wanting to go to Union a video of a Union match, they wont want to go after sitting through that.
If they still want togo, then bye bye.
League is growing on all levels both here and abroad, if players wish to go to the boring game, then see you later....there will be another kid coming through the League ranks to take their spot.

 

[tiburon]

what a load of crap.

you wont stop players turning to union just as you wont stop union players turning to league.

rugby league should take a leaf out of unions book and look ahead, rather than worrying what the other code is up to.

going on the current decline in sydney (rl center of the universe) crowds, i,d say league in NSW should get its own house in order first.

How is rugby league worrying about what the other code is doing?
Some examples please...

And what is this current decline??? Sydney clubs usually average around 15,000 and that's what the majority of them are doing this year (drags are easily lowest with 11286 and souths are easily highest with 24740; the rest are all between 14,000 - 17,000) and i would expect some of the lower ones to boost their average today.

Look at the Brumbies. How many league players have they poached?

From all ranks???
Mark Gerrard;; David Palavi; Stephen Hoiles; Anthony Faingaa; Saia Faingaa; Daniel Heenan; Salesi Maafu

Union is lucky it has private schools that only allow its game to be played because without it, it wouldn't be in a very healthy state at all.

 

[kia ora storm]

How to stop union poaching..easy..just invite the players along to a game...they will be bored after 5 minutes.

 

[badav]

Losing a few scalps to union is a small price to pay compared to running the comp without a cap or a cap high enough to run some clubs into the ground. most clubs dont even want to foot an extra 100 grand a year to increase the cap let alone 1.5 million. and the NRL is not about to increase each clubs grant by that much i think its pretty safe to say that.

it is better that the nrl loses a few players a year than clubs going out of business and 2 horse race competitions. Honestly, losing tahu cross and schif is not going to break our competition. There are plenty of talented kids ready to take their place

 

[bobbis]

Theres not exactly alot of players making the switch, I don't really think its a problem. One thing they should do is increase rep payments to about 3 times higher than the current level, at the moment the ARU pays about twice as much per test as the ARL and plays 2 or 3 times as many tests, then theres significant ARU top ups, so if you break into the Wallabies as a player you earn substantially more than the equivalent in RL. Any salary cap increase will endanger the clubs already precarious financial position, I believe only 2 clubs made a profit last year and 1 the year before, they simply can't afford to pay the players any more.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

The ARU did not make an offer to Andrew Johns. Eddie Jones wanted him, but the High Performance Manager at the time, Brett Robinson, didn't. Eddie lost out.

Maybe Joey would have refused an ARU offer, but we will never know, because the only offer on the table was from the Waratahs plus third-parties.

It is only a matter of time before the European clubs start raiding the NRL playing ranks. Then you will have something to worry about.:shock:

:lol:

These clubs?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6530741.stm

And that's Union's premier club comp isn't it?

Watching your sport implode is fun aint it ?

 

[yosh64]

The biggest hurdle we face from Union is the fact that they will always have money on the back of the Rah Rah chardonay types who attend the Internationals.

When the RLIF finaly commision a good international program for the Kangaroos we may see this negated slightly through the fact that it may keep our top players always.

Second stringers aren't a worry, or a loss to the game just a small problem that generaly get replaced by better younger players.

Been at work all day so im gonna reply to a few posts now.

Sure they will always have money. But if league keeps growing at the rates they have then eventually we will also have money. But the point of the thread was to see what might be the right amount for the salary cap to stop Australian union poaching players because they get paid the same amount in league or even more due to the increased funds in the salary cap. So it wouldnt matter that they have money cause we do to.

RLIF doesnt organise the international program, ARL does.

I sorta agree with the second stringers point but as i said this is just a hypothetical question on what the salary cap should be to stop players leaving cause of better money in australian union.

 

[yosh64]

Then you would have to convince the players that they don't want to give union a try.

The only way to stop the poaching is by having a strong Warratahs, Reds and Wallabies squad. Look at the Brumbies. How many league players have they poached? ARU, NSWRU and QLDRU think they can just buy success, so when they run out of talent to poach from the Brumbies they turn to league.
ACTRU bred success with the right culture at the Brumbies so they don't even think about poaching.

If we could offer them the same amount of money, why would they want to give union a try??!
NRL is the proving ground. Its a tougher comp with harder opponents to test youself against. A week in, week out contest. Spose the only thing union has is a better international program.

There is another way rather than a strong union. How about a weak union! If union stayed as crap as it is now players wouldnt go (just look at the probs the rabitohs had in attracting players. Plus take away unions money advantage and they will have to rely on juniors. And lets be serious, thats an area that league dominates over union.

 

[yosh64]

what a load of crap.

you wont stop players turning to union just as you wont stop union players turning to league.

rugby league should take a leaf out of unions book and look ahead, rather than worrying what the other code is up to.

going on the current decline in sydney (rl center of the universe) crowds, i,d say league in NSW should get its own house in order first.

Your an idiot. This is a hypothetical question. And you can stop people from going to certain codes. They are motivated to go to that code for some reason. Find out what that motivation is and remove it or provide that same motivation in the current code.

League is looking ahead. Under 20's comp, world cup, just expanded the game! We (including me) are the ones discussing a hypothetical subject (clearly hypothetical as they cant increase the cap till at least 2013 - maybe then will it be more relevant).

And when the other code is up to taking your players you really shouldnt just stand back and say ohwell we really wanted to become unions 2nd tier comp! They should worry about their game instead of sticking their noses into ours as they always do. Its hypocritical to say dont worry about what the other code is doing when its them taking an interest in our code!!

NSW crowds are on the decrease? Pfft, they'd be about steady. Although i think another NSW teams crowds are pretty sh*thouse this year, dont worry. I think Spoon of Origin well set a record!!! :sarcasm:

 

[yosh64]

until the NRL's grant to the clubs can be equal to the salary cap, the cap should never be increased

I kinda agree. I think that the grant should match the cap in time. But nothing stopping them increasing the cap and grant slowly and with each increase bringing the grant closer to the cap (so that it gets closer and closer each time till in 5 - 10 years its equal).

Wont happen that way though. NRL has stated they want it equal asap.