How would a All Stars concept in the UK pan out..??

[Coastbloke]

Perhaps the RFL could replace a mid year Test with a mid year 'Test'

Based on the All Stars concept, the UK public spend the 1st half of the SL comp watching the form of the players and have until May to choose the following in the same way as the All Stars match in Australia..

1. A English (or GB) All Stars Team chosen by the fans..

2. A rest of countries All Stars of the best Australian, NZ, Pacific, PNG and French players in the ESL..

Play it at either Wigan, Huddersfield or some 25,000-30,000 modern stadium..

 

[roughyedspud]

the england team won't be picked by the fans

and its gonna be played instead of the french test in june.....the french may well yet play england 'A' as a curtain raiser to the england v ON game

 

[jim_57]

the england team won't be picked by the fans

and its gonna be played instead of the french test in june.....the french may well yet play england 'A' as a curtain raiser to the england v ON game

God, I hope not. That would be an absolute joke.

 

[Coastbloke]

Just for the record, I support the retention of the England vs France Mid Year Test..

France needs it.

Having said that, it appears it will be dropped. I am merely putting forward another option..

 

[roughyedspud]

but england v france mid season is'nt competitive.......playing england 'A' would be more competitve,the french have a shout of beating us and we get to blood some fringe players


whether or not it'llbe a curtain raiser?? i dunno...but richard lewis was warm on the idea

 

[Big Picture]

but england v france mid season is'nt competitive.......playing england 'A' would be more competitve,the french have a shout of beating us and we get to blood some fringe players

whether or not it'llbe a curtain raiser?? i dunno...but richard lewis was warm on the idea

A team with automatic World Cup qualification playing in a curtain-raiser is M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E!!!!!!!!

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

A team with automatic World Cup qualification playing in a curtain-raiser is M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E!!!!!!!!

Agree

 

[welshmagpie]

but england v france mid season is'nt competitive.......playing england 'A' would be more competitve,the french have a shout of beating us and we get to blood some fringe players


whether or not it'llbe a curtain raiser?? i dunno...but richard lewis was warm on the idea

Id rather you have your game against the rest of the world bunch and we will take on the French, in what im sure will be a more passionate and intense match... I know which one most would like to be a part of

 

[docbrown]

Well I think I brought up the All Stars angle early in the other thread, as England vs Super League All Stars (at least 1 player from each team). The pride there is to be confirmed as the best player in your club and of the best in your league.

But as for Other Nationalities, I'm not sure if it that would have the same ring. Which 'Origin' does it cover? I'm not sure what pride there is in just being considered "The Rest". I think the Aus & Nz players would already have plenty of opportunity to perform at the highest level.

The idea that intrigues me the most is ENGLAND vs CELTIC

As Ireland, Scotland, Wales & Gaul were all a part of the original nations - and - these nations cover the other countries that we want to build up. The players in this game will take that experience with them back to their individual internationals.

As for team selection, I think the best way we can build this up and get people talking about it, is to adopt a partially publically voted selection process - for both sides.

Fans vote players in for their respective positions (so no club limit) and that takes up 50% of the vote. A selection committee of nominated players & coaches do the same for the remaining 50%.

Perhaps still call it an All Stars Game to distinguish it. SUPER LEAGUE ALL STARS: ENGLAND ALL STARS vs CELTIC ALL STARS

I just feel like that would sell better than the more generic 'Others' or 'Rest'

 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Well I think I brought up the All Stars angle early in the other thread, as England vs Super League All Stars (at least 1 player from each team). The pride there is to be confirmed as the best player in your club and of the best in your league.

But as for Other Nationalities, I'm not sure if it that would have the same ring. Which 'Origin' does it cover? I'm not sure what pride there is in just being considered "The Rest". I think the Aus & Nz players would already have plenty of opportunity to perform at the highest level.

The idea that intrigues me the most is ENGLAND vs CELTIC

As Ireland, Scotland, Wales & Gaul were all a part of the original nations - and - these nations cover the other countries that we want to build up. The players in this game will take that experience with them back to their individual internationals.

As for team selection, I think the best way we can build this up and get people talking about it, is to adopt a partially publically voted selection process - for both sides.

Fans vote players in for their respective positions (so no club limit) and that takes up 50% of the vote. A selection committee of nominated players & coaches do the same for the remaining 50%.

Perhaps still call it an All Stars Game to distinguish it. SUPER LEAGUE ALL STARS: ENGLAND ALL STARS vs CELTIC ALL STARS

I just feel like that would sell better than the more generic 'Others' or 'Rest'

Like I said in the other thread, England vs Celtic (Ire/Sco/Wal) would be pointless. They'd only be a little bit better than Wales on their own (i.e. still way behind England) and it would harm the identities of the individual home nations (something that an All-Star game wouldn't do because they can't play for their home nations anyway).

I also agree that playing England 'A' against the French would be a poor idea. It demeans the French side, and would look awful in publicity if (or more like when) we beat them. France vs Wales would be a much better game. It's an actual test between two nations FFS!

If we want to blood some youngsters, have them play a Yorkshire/Lancashire clash as the curtain raiser. It won't demean any test sides then, and gives people that county clash that they've wanted.

England team vs the All-Stars:
1. Sam Tomkins (Wig), 2. Ryan Hall (Lee), 3. Michael Shenton (St H), 4. Chris Bridge (War), 5. Tom Briscoe (Hul), 6. Danny McGuire (Lee), 7. Kyle Eastmond (St H), 8. James Graham (St H), 9. James Roby (St H), 10. Jamie Peacock (Lee), 11. Gareth Ellis (W Ti), 12. Sam Burgess (SSR), 13. Sean O'Loughlin (Wig).
14. Ben Westwood (War), 15. Adrian Morley (War), 16. Eorl Crabtree (Hud), 17. Luke Robinson (Hud).

All-Stars team vs England (if it's an open selection):
1. Brent Webb (Lee), 2. Joel Monaghan (War), 3. Matt King (War), 4. Iosia Soliola (St H), 5. Pat Richards (Wig), 6. Brett Finch (Wig), 7. Thomas Leuluai (Wig), 8. Jeff Lima (Wig), 9. Danny Buderus (Lee), 10. Mark O'Meley (Hul), 11. Ryan Hoffman (Wig), 12. Tony Puletua (St H), 13. Craig Fitzgibbon (Hul).
14. Josh Perry (St H), 15. Willie Mason (HKR), 16. David Fa'alogo (Hud), 17. Michael Monaghan (War)

All-Stars team vs England (if it's 2 per team max):
1. Brent Webb (Lee), 2. Joel Monaghan (War), 3. Setaimata Sa (Cat), 4. Iosia Soliola (St H), 5. Matt King (War), 6. Rangi Chase (Cas), 7. Michael Dobson (HKR), 8. Jeff Lima (Wig), 9. Danny Buderus (Lee), 10. Mark O'Meley (Hul), 11. Willie Mason (HKR), 12.David Fa'alogo (Hud), 13. Craig Fitzgibbon (Hul).
14. Josh Perry (St H), 15. Iafeta Palea'aesina (Sal) , 16. Luke O'Donnell (Hud), 17. Thomas Leuluai (Wig).



Then the County of Origin game from the rest (aligned Cumbrian players with Lancashire and London players with Yorkshire):

Yorkshire:
1. Lee Smith (Lee) 2. Leon Pryce (St H), 3. Leroy Cudjoe (Hud), 4. Ryan Atkins (War), 5. Peter Fox (HKR), 6. Kevin Brown (Hud), 7. Rob Burrow (Lee), 8. Andy Lynch (Bra), 9. Shaun Lunt (Hud), 10. Stuart Fielden (Wig), 11. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook (St H, London), 12. Jamie Langley (Bra), 13. Joe Westerman (Hul).
14. Luke Burgess (Lee), 15. Garreth Carvell (War), 16. Jon Wilkin (St H), 17. Danny Houghton (Hul).

Lancashire:
1. Sean Briscoe (HKR), 2. Ade Gardener (St H, Cumbria), 3. Darrell Goulding (Wig), 4. Martin Gleeson (Wig), 5. Chris Riley (War), 6. Paul Deacon (Wig), 7. Richie Myler (War), 8. Paul Wood (Wir), 9. Mickey Higham (War), 10. Andy Coley (Wig), 11. Danny Tickle (Hul), 12. Ben Harrison (War), 13. Kevin Sinfield (Lee).
14. Paul Prescott (Wig), 15. Paul Clough (St H), 16. Rob Purdham (HRL, Cumbria), 17. Scott Moore (St H).

With a France vs Wales game and a Scotland vs Ireland game at the same time, that gives most of your top players some rep experience and makes full use of a free weekend.

 

[docbrown]

Well the main reason I suggest 'Celtic' rather than 'Others' is to give that side a sense of identity and origin. I asked for a player roster because I wasn't sure of the playing strength.

My original post in the other thread was for ENGLAND vs SUPER LEAGUE ALL STARS.

All Stars is just better than Anzac or Others or Rest as an identifier.

I don't mind bringing the War of the Roses game back as well, but it may end up like the Australian City vs Country game being played at the same night as All Stars. It already gets about the same crowd...

I do question where or not Super League is strong enough to have an extra week and this as stand alone. Maybe it needs to be a split round like the Anzac/Country weekend.

 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Well the main reason I suggest 'Celtic' rather than 'Others' is to give that side a sense of identity and origin. I asked for a player roster because I wasn't sure of the playing strength.

My original post in the other thread was for ENGLAND vs SUPER LEAGUE ALL STARS.

All Stars is just better than Anzac or Others or Rest as an identifier.

I don't mind bringing the War of the Roses game back as well, but it may end up like the Australian City vs Country game being played at the same night as All Stars. It already gets about the same crowd...

I do question where or not Super League is strong enough to have an extra week and this as stand alone. Maybe it needs to be a split round like the Anzac/Country weekend.

That's the intention for me. It's like a bridge between the England Academy and the first team.

The All-Stars game shouldn't include the European players IMO. They should be playing for their countries on the same weekend.

 

[roughyedspud]

aye....thats why i've never put pat richards in any of my ON teams


and they are'nt gonna be called the 'ALLSTARS'

 

[RedVee]

That's the intention for me. It's like a bridge between the England Academy and the first team.

The All-Stars game shouldn't include the European players IMO. They should be playing for their countries on the same weekend.

But will they?

 

[DINGb@T]

I'm thinking that France should be playing Wales on that weekend. Both nations should be a good match and help each other develop.

And I think that an All Stars game would be better than an Origin game. Origin just wont work without a decent rivalry for the fans to get behind.

 

[playdaball]

A team with automatic World Cup qualification playing in a curtain-raiser is M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E!!!!!!!!

I saw England vs PNG this year at Eden Park. The game was a curtain raiser to the main event, Kiwis vs. Aussie

 

[hutch]

lets hope that france v wales will be given the go ahead and super league is shut down for the weekend to make these games the focus!

 

[1stNov2000]

I saw England vs PNG this year at Eden Park. The game was a curtain raiser to the main event, Kiwis vs. Aussie

Well, they're both international tests from the same tournament. France - Wales is a true international test, the other game isn't.

 

[Talanexor]

England/Gb needs to play more rep footy if they are to close the gap with Australian and NZ.

And belting France every year doesn't really count. I think the Allstars concept is actually a better idea than the mid year Test or War of the Roses - especially if you could incorporate the latter 2 as curtain raisers.

The Allstars concept really only works one way though, it's about Aborignes - the All Stars don't really have anything to play for.

Anything that gets Poms feeling more patriotic about Rugby League is a good thing.