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Humphreys' proposal for a longer season may have legs: officials

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Humphreys' proposal for a longer season may have legs: officials

GLENN JACKSON


May 22, 2010


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...on-may-have-legs-officials-20100521-w1rg.html



Wests Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys' pitch for a new 32-round competition to fix the game's salary cap woes has received support - albeit qualified - from a range of the top officials in the game - even the representative of the players.

Humphreys told the Herald yesterday that he had submitted a proposal to NRL boss David Gallop that the game embrace an extended competition which would involve every club playing each other twice, at home and away. That would give the code significantly greater earning capacity from broadcasters and sponsors, although it could come at a cost - already weary stars would have to play more football.
It was given some support yesterday from other chief executives - who had until close of business yesterday to submit their own proposals for salary cap reform to Gallop.
Gallop, who met senior players Petero Civoniceva and Darren Lockyer yesterday to discuss their concerns over player payments, also said the suggestion would be considered.
''More rounds of football has obvious benefits, but there's also significant downsides in asking players to play more,'' Gallop said. ''But we're happy to throw that into the mix.''
While not wishing to endorse the plan - or dismiss it - David Garnsey, the chief executive of the RLPA (Rugby League Players' Association) also said it had merits.
''There's a major concern about burnout in our game and adding games doesn't help that, but a lot of that concern revolves around fixtures which are squashed together, with players backing up within 24 or 48 hours,'' Garnsey said. ''If that were to be contemplated, the competition structure would have to be revamped so that players would not have to back up within, 24, 48 or even 72 hours.
''I'm not dismissing it. I'm receptive to all new ideas and there's certainly an attraction with a true home and away competition. A lot of people would love that, as a means of fairness.''
Bulldogs chief executive Todd Greenberg gave firmer support.
''If the trials were scrapped, that gives you three or four more weeks anyway, so that would give you 30 weeks without really blinking. I think it should absolutely be on the table to consider,'' said Greenberg, who like Humphreys had sought submissions from members and sponsors to offer up to the NRL yesterday. ''The common theme is that there's got to be more money available for the grant and the cap to be closer together.''
Gallop was in Coolum yesterday to meet disgruntled players. Both Civoniceva - who has taken on a role effectively representing the player group - and Lockyer have expressed frustration at the lack of equality between rugby league payments and those of other sports.
The two players, in camp with Queensland before Wednesday night's first State of Origin, spoke with Gallop about the bread-and-butter salary cap gripes of representative payments and third party agreements during their meeting.
''It was an opportunity to discuss the game's financial position, and the review of the salary cap,'' Gallop said. ''My advice was that they work on integrating their views with those of the RLPA so that as much as possible they present a single response to some of the issues.
''We discussed the pros and cons of some of the ideas that have been tossed up around the structure of the season. Many of their ideas were very good ones, and they will certainly be put into the mix as we go forward over the next few weeks.''
South Sydney chief executive Shane Richardson, on the working party charged with leading reform, said he hoped that the cap would be simplified. ''We don't need to throw it out, we need to streamline it, make it simpler, clearer,'' Richardson said. ''It's there as a tool for the business plan of the game, not to beat you around the head with.''
 
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could work, means all clubs would have 3 extra home games play everyone twice and still have byes as well, also means more footy for us tragics

Start the comp 1st week of March = 2 weeks

26 rounds as is with byes
finals in October = 4 weeks
 

Borat.

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could work, means all clubs would have 3 extra home games play everyone twice and still have byes as well, also means more footy for us tragics

Start the comp 1st week of March = 2 weeks
26 rounds as is with byes
finals in October = 4 weeks

I'm all for it- pre season sucks ass... only the elite can complain about playing too much footy- cam smith, Slater etc etc...majority of the players dont play SOO..and for Aust.....and finals so I'd say the players would support it- esp for more $$$$
 

GCR

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Awesome solution to the salary cap problems! Sure, playing more games a year means the players will burn out quicker and have shorter careers, there'll be more injuries meaning that already-thin squads will become thinner and the standard of play poorer, and there'll be even more pointless games during the season, but apart from that it's a great, flawless plan.

Hell, they should play 48 rounds, then four weeks of finals, then back up the next week and do it all again - then they they'd have enough cash to bump the salary cap up by another $100,000. Brilliant!
 

Dazraider

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I agree there should be more games but have the mid week comp introduced back into the comp as times change players should be able to match it with the guys in the 80s when they did play the panasonic cup.
Then they deserve more cash but at the moment there is no way they deserve more who are on over 300k a season.
 

Firey_Dragon

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Idiotic, more games does not necessarily mean more revenue. Having more games lessens demand per game. You think someone is going to care if they miss a game in a 32 game season? Not likely.

Shorten the season, you increase demand for games, which increases your crowds, decreases your overheads per capita. Restructure your television rights so that each network bids per game, don't let the networks dictate timeslots etc.

In a 26 round season the top 8 is mostly decided by round 20, with the exception of a few fringe teams.

IMO it should be a top 6 finals system, with only 18 rounds (play each team once and 3 local or rivalry rounds) in the competition. No byes and all rep fixtures played outside of the regular season.

The way the NFL is run is a very successful business model, all of it obviously wouldn't work here because we don't have the population to support it, but the NRL could learn a few lessons in the basics of supply and demand. The current competition already has lethargic players and it's a battle of who has the least injuries. Mid-season can be bloody boring with the injury toll. Shortening the comp would ensure that there is more intensity throughout the majority of the competition. Making it a better product to market.
 
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Awesome solution to the salary cap problems! Sure, playing more games a year means the players will burn out quicker and have shorter careers, there'll be more injuries meaning that already-thin squads will become thinner and the standard of play poorer, and there'll be even more pointless games during the season, but apart from that it's a great, flawless plan.

Hell, they should play 48 rounds, then four weeks of finals, then back up the next week and do it all again - then they they'd have enough cash to bump the salary cap up by another $100,000. Brilliant!

lmao. thats what I was thinking.

if they get more money from this, then the very first thing they need to do is get a proper reserve grade comp and increase club rosters!
 

FastEddie

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I agree witht he playing everyone twice.
Makes the draw much fairer.
What about with the stipulation no player can play more than 25 of the 30 matches (ie the coach's must rotate their squads)
 

Big Mick

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don't like it.

Means there will be little to none International Football.

Internationals are a way we can increase revenue if we can improve the level of play Internationally it'll be a lot more attractive to watch, and therefore improve the product to sell.
 

Spot On

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Good to see people are thinking about the revenue issue but a 32 week comp is i n c r e d i b l y l o n g ! I'd like to see the season shortened and more people turn up to the games - pack the stadiums out each week, and make it affordable for people to get in, have a drink and something to eat without breaking the bank. I have no idea what effect that would have on revenue but I know the atmosphere at the games would be incredible.

Using the Roosters as an example, at the moment the Roosters have a 40,000 seat stadium and don't have enough support to fill a quarter of it at their home games. If they are in the bottom four after 26 rounds who the hell wants to turn up to watch them play over the last 6????? Even more to the point who would want to watch it on TV??? They must be awful if the can't challenge for a top 8 spot after having 24 games so why torture us with six more??? There is usually a pretty clear top four by round 15 or so, maybe even a clear top 6 some seasons and currently we have to wait another three months before the semis start. Some fans seem to get really excited watching the poorer teams battle it out for 7th and 8th spot for 12 weeks (yes I know Parra made it to GF last year) while the top 5 or 6 are simply jostling for a better finishing position. I love my footy but I'm no fan of watching struggling clubs (which in this comp is known as the bottom 8) run around for the last 3 months of the comp (or longer as is being proposed) playing sh*t footy. Why extend that rubbish???
 
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Stagger eel

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great in principle, however you would need to increase your 25 man squad to about 30 or even 35..requiring more money anyway!!!
 

Iafeta

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Idiotic, more games does not necessarily mean more revenue. Having more games lessens demand per game. You think someone is going to care if they miss a game in a 32 game season? Not likely.

Shorten the season, you increase demand for games, which increases your crowds, decreases your overheads per capita. Restructure your television rights so that each network bids per game, don't let the networks dictate timeslots etc.

In a 26 round season the top 8 is mostly decided by round 20, with the exception of a few fringe teams.

IMO it should be a top 6 finals system, with only 18 rounds (play each team once and 3 local or rivalry rounds) in the competition. No byes and all rep fixtures played outside of the regular season.

The way the NFL is run is a very successful business model, all of it obviously wouldn't work here because we don't have the population to support it, but the NRL could learn a few lessons in the basics of supply and demand. The current competition already has lethargic players and it's a battle of who has the least injuries. Mid-season can be bloody boring with the injury toll. Shortening the comp would ensure that there is more intensity throughout the majority of the competition. Making it a better product to market.

I agree entirely with your first comment. Conversely from an economic cost perspective perhaps the feeling is that fixed costs can be spread out over a greater period, but if in reality, the extra what 8 weeks is absorbed purely into player payments then the long run economic/marketing effect as you have described will be oversaturation draining individual game demand... i.e average attendances down.

If you did a short run economic model of the scenario dependent on the full revenue impact coming from the extra weeks NOT going entirely to the players but actually spreading to cover over fixed costs associated with running the club then the result is good, however, IMO a long run economic model would show cause for concern.
 

Moffo

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i like it

its already 26wks + 4wks of preseason...so you aren't talking about a significant increase in the number of games if you scrap the pre-season sh*t (which is a bucket of sh*t, as they are usually loaded with reserve graders anyway)

its up to the coach to make sure the players don't burn out. if they need a week off during the year...well ffs, we pay them enough, they can make those decisions.

i'm sick of all this bullsh*t talk that the NRL players are overworked etc etc. Absolute sh*t. Most of them get a bloody long off season (relative to what the average joe gets). Also, they have nowhere near the level of games that players in most other codes around the world have to endure.

For the money they are on, they can man up or f**k off
 

Firey_Dragon

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i like it

its already 26wks + 4wks of preseason...so you aren't talking about a significant increase in the number of games if you scrap the pre-season sh*t (which is a bucket of sh*t, as they are usually loaded with reserve graders anyway)

its up to the coach to make sure the players don't burn out. if they need a week off during the year...well ffs, we pay them enough, they can make those decisions.

i'm sick of all this bullsh*t talk that the NRL players are overworked etc etc. Absolute sh*t. Most of them get a bloody long off season (relative to what the average joe gets). Also, they have nowhere near the level of games that players in most other codes around the world have to endure.

For the money they are on, they can man up or f**k off

A month? I think you'll find that's pretty standard across all industries.

The season length is also relative to the intensity of the game. Heavy contact sports like Union, NFL, League etc have relatively short seasons in comparison to soccer and whatnot. The only heavy contact sport I can think of that has a really heavy schedule is Ice Hockey
 
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Iafeta

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Ice Hockey also has an extensive rolling rotation of 'lines', so the individual player doesn't play that high a percentage of each game.

Moffo, I tihnk you'll find preseason is a hell of a lot longer than 4 weeks. Most of them are back first or second week or November through to Christmas, have a couple of weeks off (most if not all of them will still training on the side to keep in shape), and then return early January and train right the way through pretty much to the start of the season.
 

Moffo

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i was talking about actual games

the pre-season between say nov-feb is a few hours a day in a gym. wow, tough life
 

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