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If Eels and Knights win on the weekend

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When the Warriors beat the Storm last year it was fantastic. The finals series isn't intended to be (nor should it be) a mere formality to crown the "best" team after a series of predictible games. It's a whole new challenge and the McIntyre system rewards winners and punishes losers... I think it's fine.
 

mickdo

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You said having a week off (easier run) can be poor preparation.

It can if the team is the 8th ranked side, which more often than not is crap! (not this year obviously) ;-)

Then you say that the AFL system is good - just ask any NRL Club if they would like the Top 4 to guarantee a shot at a week off.

What I said was, just ask any NRL club if they would prefer a home final or a guaranteed shot at a week off and a guaranteed second chance (i.e. 3rd or 4th place under the two systems)

One second you're saying a week off is what makes the NRL system bad and the next you're saying a week off is what makes the AFL system good.

No, I said a week off after a game against an 8th ranked side + a week off is bad, not a game against a 4th ranked side. There is no contradiction. Try to keep up.
 

caylo

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the only difference with the AFL and NRL final systems is the 1st week. The NRL advantage teams 1-4 by playing lesser rated teams 5-8 then the AFL but they disadvantage teams 3-4 which have a chance to be knocked out in the first week but as far as I am aware no team in the top 4 has even been knocked out after week 1.
The other main advantage of the NRL system is that teams 3 and 4 get a chance at a second home final if they win their games but 1 and 2 also win thier games. I dont think the current system the AFL is using is any better, they complain about alot themselves and as far as Im aware the swans made the grand final from 6 or 7th witha pretty simple run into the grand final which caused quiet a stir.
 

lingard

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The only thing that a final eight system is good for is making more money for the governing body. Full stop. I reckon the best and fairest system is a final five. The minor premiers get a week off. Some might argue that can be a disadvantage, but they also get a second chance if they lose their next game. A BIG incentive to become minor premiers! The next incentive is to be in the top three because you get a second chance if you lose your first game. And if you can only manage fourth or fifth, it's sudden death all the way.
This system stops teams just going through the motions during the early part of the year. It makes EVERY game during the season important. As it is, a team can coast through the year with very average form, and just peak at the right time. I hate it.

How exciting would this be?

1. Manly play Melbourne - (sudden death)
2. Titans play Bulldogs - (winner plays Saints to see who goes first into the Grand Final. Loser plays Manly or Melbourne)

All games played at a neutral ground.
That's how it should be. If you aren't good enough to get into the top five of a sixteen team competition, then you aren't good enough to be the premiers.
 

yy_cheng

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BUt then we won't see parra play.

It is not about winning. Rugby League is for entertainment. Entertaining fans.

The top 8 allows more fans to enjoy watching RL.
 

mickdo

Coach
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If you went back to a top 5, I reckon you would need to bring back the mid-week comp or something else. Just not enough footy for mine, and half the comp is no chance by 1/3 through the season. No team has won the comp from 5-8 with the 8 team finals, so it isn't as if 8 instead of 5 is giving those extra teams much of a chance... but at least they play finals footy.
 
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TheParraboy

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RL is a blue collared sport,

To me its for the people, creating interest and hope amongst a bigger fan base for a greater period of time is quite important for the games survival as well as wider interest. Especially as competition from other sports is as fierce as ever, unlike 20 years ago

Give me a top 8 over a top 5 in this day and age any time
 

Doggiesfan09

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the only difference with the AFL and NRL final systems is the 1st week. The NRL advantage teams 1-4 by playing lesser rated teams 5-8 then the AFL but they disadvantage teams 3-4 which have a chance to be knocked out in the first week but as far as I am aware no team in the top 4 has even been knocked out after week 1.
The other main advantage of the NRL system is that teams 3 and 4 get a chance at a second home final if they win their games but 1 and 2 also win thier games. I dont think the current system the AFL is using is any better, they complain about alot themselves and as far as Im aware the swans made the grand final from 6 or 7th witha pretty simple run into the grand final which caused quiet a stir.

I disagree bout teams 3 and 4 getting looked after , teams 3 and 4 can be potentially eliminated in week one where in the AFL system they get a second chance if they lose. Teams that come 5 ,6,7,8 should not be able to survive if they lose in a fair system
 

ElectricEel

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Afl system is much better. Top 4 all get a second chance, it's a just reward for finishing higher on the ladder.
I'd be p***ed if parra finished 3rd in the season and got knocked out due to one bad game in week 1

Remember we got punished in 2001 AND 2005 for having one bad game!
2001 we broke records, were clearly the most consistently best team, bud had a bad day on GF. If it were best of three, we may have got there.

2005, best team all year, dont turn up against an average Cowboys team, Tigers beat Cowboys to win OUR GF!
 
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sportive cupid

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I have been thinking about this.
I think it comes down to what the system is trying to acheive. If it is to give the teams that are most consistant the most recognition then sure,give team one and two every advantage.But the trouble with that is that you risk the finals series becoming too predictable.Everyone would just expect the top teams to win through and they would.
However when the 7 and 8 placed teams have genuine chances to win-now that makes for more interest from everyone.
So in the end it comes down to what is trying to be acheived.
 

TheParraboy

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remember we got punished in 2001 and 2005 for having one bad game!
2001 we broke records, were clearly the most consistently best team, bud had a bad day on gf. If it were best of three, we may have got there.

2005, best team all year, dont turn up against an average cowboys team, tigers beat cowboys to win our gf!

](*,)
 

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