\"I'll rape again\" - Mike Tyson

[Blade]

I found it! =D>

Analysis of Desiree Washington's Interview Concerning Mike Tyson

 

[Blade]

I'll just add....

The first page is a little mumblejumble, but if you scroll down the page you'll see a linked heading that reads: What Happened That night? click onto that.

That's the interesting bit, albeit a onesided story.

 

[El Diablo]

Thanks for that, Blade.

Pity it didn't go into detail of after the alleged rape getting into the limo and going backto her friends.

 

[Trojan Horse]

No, because he is unconsciously incompetent of what he says and does. Meaning, he lacks awareness and the simple capacity for sensory perception, coupled with being totally inadequate for, or unsuited to, a particular purpose or application of his comments and actions. So therefore, what he says can never be taken in sincerity. Or in other words, he doesn't know, that he doesn't know what he's saying/doing. I hope you understand what it is I'm trying to say.

Or in other words, he's a nutbag! The lights are on, but nobody is home with Mike Tyson.

My take on his statement is that he thinks he was locked up for something he didn't do and therefore thinks 'well if I've done the time, I think I should do the crime' .

No quite, though partly correct.

What I mean is an unconciously incompetent person is an individual who isn't aware that the task he is about to undertake (Speech, Action, Movement) is one he has no clue about, or is conciously aware of.

Let me give you an example:

Take young man Steve who is about to undertake the task of rebuilding an engine. Now since Steve is a veteran computer nerd, he is totally inadequate for, or unsuited to, a particular purpose or application (engine rebuilding) (incompetent); on top of that he also lacks awareness and the simple capacity for sensory perception (unconcious). Meaning, not only does Steve not know what task he is undertaking (rebuilding of the engine), he is not conciously aware that he doesn't know, so he performs the task anyway.

This is exactly the case with Mike Tyson. Tyson says and does things that are wrong in an ethical, moral and social sense, but, due to the same condition Steve suffers from in the above scenario, he doesn't know that what he says and does is wrong. Is this a mentally stable person? Far from it. Is this person fit to slot into "normal" society"? Absolutely not. However, due to his lack of distinguishing abilities (from right to wrong), should what this person says or threatens be taken with a grain of salt, or a genuine threat? That's the $1MILL question.....

Just quickly though: On the other side of the coin, a person who is conciously incompetent is one who undertakes a given task (wheather it be verbally or in an action form) that he has no clue about, but, knows very well that he doesn't know what he's doing, yet still attempts it. This is not the case with Mike Tyson. He simply cannot identify the difference between morally right and socially unexceptable wheather it be in what he says, or what he does.

Please note that this is only my opinion of Mike Tyson's current mental well-being. You can read The Independent Medical Evaluation Of Michael Gerard Tyson for the Nevada State Athletic Commission September 30, 1998, in the link below this post, for a professional and official opinion.

I hope this clears things up a little.

The Independent Medical Evaluation Of Michael Gerard Tyson for the Nevada State Athletic Commission

 

[El Diablo]

I've read that before a few times. I'm no psychologist so I won't even try and assess his mental state

 

[Trojan Horse]

I've read that before a few times. I'm no psychologist so I won't even try and assess his mental state

You don't need to be a psychologist to assess Mike Tyson's mental state. He displays it very clearly for all to see, and come to their own conclusions.

 

[Willow_2003]

My take on his statement is that he thinks he was locked up for something he didn't do and therefore thinks 'well if I've done the time, I think I should do the crime' .

OK. So its your understanding that he now feels justified in commiting rape? Or maybe we shouldn't take him literally.

I only ask because its an odd thing for a bloke to say in his defence... if you know what I mean.

He's obviously not the full quid... oh yeah, I forgot, he's a boxer.

:?

I said I don't think he meant it literally.

Really it's hard to make comment on this as all we've seen is some little 10 seond bit on the news. Seeing the full interview would be handy.

I agree... and I remember that next time you lay the boot into Mundine for failing to be as articulate as Tyson.

But in reality, the only thing this whole exercise shows is that Tyson is probably the biggest dickheads of this generation... and the competition is fierce.

 

[El Diablo]

Twio different things.

Tyson was being interviwed over a 10 year old court case and Mundine was giving his opinion on a Terrorist attack.

 

[Willow_2003]

Twio different things.

Tyson was being interviwed over a 10 year old court case and Mundine was giving his opinion on a Terrorist attack.

Mundine inferred that American foreign policy had to take some of the blame for WTC ... lots of people have said that. He was stripped of his ranking from the WBC for that comment. A few days later he very forward with his apologies.

Do you think Tyson will apologise for his comments about rape?

 

[El Diablo]

Twio different things.

Tyson was being interviwed over a 10 year old court case and Mundine was giving his opinion on a Terrorist attack.

Mundine inferred that American foreign policy had to take some of the blame for WTC ... lots of people have said that. He was stripped of his ranking from the WBC for that comment. A few days later he very forward with his apologies.

Do you think Tyson will apologise for his comments about rape?

Why would he apologise for saying shit about a woman he believes sent him to prison for something he didn't do?

 

[CanadianSteve]

I'm not often on the same side of a debate as Willow, but El D you're defending a pretty bad guy. I read a book years ago about Tyson. It was a biography by an older boxer-turned-writer, named Hector(?) Torres, who had spent time as an advisor to Tyson in Mike's early career. One of the quotes I remember was Tyson saying something about how he liked to hurt women when he had sex with them, make them cry, stuff along that line. Torres's conclusion was that Tyson was going to come to a bad end because of his nature. The book was written before the rape took place.

You can argue that Tyson was a product of his environment, etc., but it remains that he was quite capable of raping this woman, and the many problems he's had before and since then show what a messed up person he is.

 

[El Diablo]

That wa Jose Torres who was another Cus D'Amato fighter.

 

[Willow_2003]

Twio different things.

Tyson was being interviwed over a 10 year old court case and Mundine was giving his opinion on a Terrorist attack.

Mundine inferred that American foreign policy had to take some of the blame for WTC ... lots of people have said that. He was stripped of his ranking from the WBC for that comment. A few days later he very forward with his apologies.

Do you think Tyson will apologise for his comments about rape?

Why would he apologise for saying s**t about a woman he believes sent him to prison for something he didn't do?

Read the question again... I didnt say anything about the woman he was convicted of raping. I said 'will he apologise for his comments about rape?'
At the very least, Tyson has shown a complete disregard for victims of rape... dare I say 'insensitive'.
Mundine was accused of being insensitive to families of the victims of the WTC catastrophe... when he realised this, he apologised.

IMO, Tyson won't apologise because he's too much of a bone-head to know the difference between right and wrong. My question was, do you think he will apologise?

I'm not often on the same side of a debate as Willow, but El D you're defending a pretty bad guy. I read a book years ago about Tyson. It was a biography by an older boxer-turned-writer, named Hector(?) Torres, who had spent time as an advisor to Tyson in Mike's early career. One of the quotes I remember was Tyson saying something about how he liked to hurt women when he had sex with them, make them cry, stuff along that line. Torres's conclusion was that Tyson was going to come to a bad end because of his nature. The book was written before the rape took place.

You can argue that Tyson was a product of his environment, etc., but it remains that he was quite capable of raping this woman, and the many problems he's had before and since then show what a messed up person he is.

God dammit El... you've got Canadian Steve agreeing with me now. I hope you're satisfied. :shock:

 

[El Diablo]

Twio different things.

Tyson was being interviwed over a 10 year old court case and Mundine was giving his opinion on a Terrorist attack.

Mundine inferred that American foreign policy had to take some of the blame for WTC ... lots of people have said that. He was stripped of his ranking from the WBC for that comment. A few days later he very forward with his apologies.

Do you think Tyson will apologise for his comments about rape?

Why would he apologise for saying s**t about a woman he believes sent him to prison for something he didn't do?

Read the question again... I didnt say anything about the woman he was convicted of raping. I said 'will he apologise for his comments about rape?'
At the very least, Tyson has shown a complete disregard for victims of rape... dare I say 'insensitive'.
Mundine was accused of being insensitive to families of the victims of the WTC catastrophe... when he realised this, he apologised.

IMO, Tyson won't apologise because he's too much of a bone-head to know the difference between right and wrong. My question was, do you think he will apologise?

he is.

Whhy would he apologise to victims of rape when his comments were aimed directly at Desiree Washington?

Mundine is the bone head who used a entire countries name when giving his opinion.

 

[Willow_2003]

It appears that you're unable to understand the essence of the question. So I won't bother asking the a third time.

The only facts we have are that Tyson was convicted of rape.
He has then come out angry and says he should rape his accuser and her mother. If if think thats a cool way to act, then who am I to argue?

 

[Willow_2003]

Mundine is the bone head who used a entire countries name when giving his opinion.

No he didnt. The 'incredibly qualified' Richard Wilkins asked Mundine what he thought of the WTC crash. By entire country, do you mean Australia or the US? In either case, he wasnt speaking for everyone.

 

[El Diablo]

Mundine is the bone head who used a entire countries name when giving his opinion.

No he didnt. The 'incredibly qualified' Richard Wilkins asked Mundine what he thought of the WTC crash. By entire country, do you mean Australia or the US? In either case, he wasnt speaking for everyone.

Yes he did. This is what he said.

"It's about fighting for God's laws, and America's brought it upon themselves [for] what they've done in the history of time."

 

[Blade]

I won't get into the Tyson arguement but will say that his record concerning run-ins with the law and the sorts doesn't look too pleasing.

Below is a list of his not-so-famous achievements throughout his illustrious life:

A timeline surrounding the life and career of boxer Mike Tyson:

1978 -- Arrested for purse snatching as a 12-year-old in Brooklyn and sent to Tryon School for Boys.

1982 -- Expelled from Catskill High School for a series of transgressions.

Feb. 9, 1988 -- Actress Robin Givens and Tyson are married in New York.

June 17, 1988 -- Givens and her family go public with tales of beatings by Tyson.

Aug. 23, 1988 -- Breaks a bone in his right hand in a 4 a.m. street brawl with professional fighter Mitch Green in Harlem.

Sept. 4, 1988 -- Tyson is knocked unconscious after driving his BMW into a tree. Three days later, the New York Daily News reports the accident was a "suicide attempt" caused by a "chemical imbalance" that made him violent and irrational.

Sept. 30, 1988 -- Givens says in a nationally televised interview that Tyson is a manic-depressive and that she is afraid of him. Tyson sits meekly next to her.

Oct. 7, 1988 -- Givens files for divorce.

Oct. 14, 1988 -- Tyson countersues Givens for divorce and annulment.

Dec. 12, 1988 -- Sandra Miller of New York sues Tyson for allegedly grabbing her, propositioning her and insulting her at a nightclub. A jury later finds Tyson guilty of battery, fining him only $100.

Dec. 15, 1988 -- Lori Davis of New York sues Tyson for allegedly grabbing her buttocks while she was dancing at the same nightclub on the same night as the incident with Miller.

Feb. 14, 1989 -- Tyson and Givens are divorced in the Dominican Republic.

April 9, 1989 -- Accused of striking a parking attendant three times with an open hand outside a Los Angeles nightclub after the attendant asked Tyson to move his Mercedes--Benz out of a spot reserved for the club's owner. The charges are later dropped due to lack of witness cooperation.

Nov. 1, 1990 -- A New York City civil jury finds Tyson committed battery in the Sandra Miller case, but Miller is awarded just $100 in damages because the jury decides Tyson's behavior was "not outrageous."

July 18, 1991 -- Tyson meets Desiree Washington, a Miss Black America contestant, at a pageant rehearsal. They go to the boxer's hotel room in the early morning hours.

July 22, 1991 -- Washington files a complaint with police accusing Tyson of rape.

Sept. 9, 1991 -- A special grand jury indicts Tyson on rape and three other charges. Two days later, he is booked in Indianapolis and released on $30,000 cash bond.

Feb. 10, 1992 -- After nine hours of deliberation, Tyson is found guilty on one count of rape and two counts of deviate sexual conduct.

March 26, 1992 -- Superior Court Judge Patricia Gifford sentences Tyson to 10 years in prison, suspending four. She orders him to serve the term immediately.

May 8, 1992 -- Tyson is found guilty of threatening a guard and disorderly conduct in prison, adding 15 days to his sentence.

Oct. 28, 1992 -- Tyson's father, Jimmy Kirkpatrick, dies in Brooklyn, N.Y. Tyson does not ask for a leave to attend the funeral.

Aug. 6, 1993 -- By a 2-1 vote, the Indiana Court of Appeals upholds Tyson's conviction.

Sept. 2, 1993 -- The Indiana Supreme Court denies Tyson's appeal without comment.

March 25, 1995 -- Tyson is released from the Indiana Youth Center near Plainfield, Ind.

June 28, 1997 -- Tyson is disqualified after the third round of his rematch with Holyfield after he bites Holyfield twice, once on each ear. Tyson claims he was retaliating for a head butt inflicted by Holyfield that opened up a gash above his right eye. Referee Mills Lane ruled the butt was accidental.

July 9, 1997 -- The Nevada State Athletic Commission, in a unanimous voice vote, revoked Mike Tyson's boxing license and fined him $3 million for biting Holyfield.

Oct. 16, 1997 -- Ordered to pay boxer Mitch Green $ 45,000 even though a jury ruled the former heavyweight champion was provoked into a Harlem street fight in 1988.

Oct. 29, 1997 -- Broke a rib and punctured a lung on his right side when his motorcycle skidded off a Connecticut highway after hitting a patch of sand (drunk driving suspected).

March 9, 1998 -- Sherry Cole and Chevelle Butts filed a $22 million lawsuit against Tyson claiming he verbally and physically abused them March 1 at a Washington bistro them at a restaurant after his sexual advances toward one of them were spurned.

Aug. 31, 1998 -- Was involved in a minor auto accident in Gaithersburg, Md., and had to be restrained by bodyguards from fighting the driver of the other car.

Sept. 2, 1998 -- Richard Hardick filed an assault charge against Tyson. Hardick says he was kicked in the groin by Tyson after his car rear-ended a Mercedes driven by Tyson's wife, Monica, on Aug. 31.

Sept. 3, 1998 -- Abmielec Saucedo filed a criminal assault against Tyson claiming Tyson punched him in the face as Saucedo talked with another driver following the accident of Aug. 31.

Oct. 13, 1998 -- The psychiatric report of Tyson is released. According to doctors who examined him for five days, the report states Tyson is depressed and lacks self-esteem, but is mentally fit to return to boxing. The psychiatrists believe Tyson most likely won't "snap" again as he did when he bit Holyfield.

Dec. 1, 1998 -- Tyson pleads no contest to misdemeanor assault for kicking and punching two motorists involved in the Aug. 31 auto accident in Maryland.

Feb. 5, 1999 -- Tyson was sentenced to two concurrent two-year sentences for assaulting two motorists after a traffic accident last summer. Judge Stephen Johnson suspended all but one year of jail time. Tyson was also fined $5,000 and sentenced to two years' probation after his release from jail. The decision could lead to more jail time for violating parole in Indiana.

Feb. 20, 1999 -- Tyson was put in an isolation cell after a disturbance Saturday night at the Montgomery County Detention Center. Several TV stations in Washington reported that Tyson became upset, either in his cell or a break room, and threw a television set. The set narrowly missed jail guards, and there were no injuries. It was later reported that Tyson was taken off anti-depressants two days previous to this incident.

Feb. 26, 1999 -- Tyson was allowed to step out of solitary confinement today and won back his privileges following an appeal of a disciplinary ruling, his lawyer said. Paul kemp said Tyson's punishment for throwing a television in a recreation room in jail on February 19 "was reduced to time served and he was restored to regular privileges."

Feb 8, 2000 -- Former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson reached a settlement Monday with two women who alleged the boxer assaulted them at a restaurant in the nation's capital, The Washington Post reported in its Tuesday and Chevelle Butts, both 33, filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Greenbelt. They said they were in the Au Pied de Cochon restaurant in the city's Georgetown neighborhood on March, 1, 1998, when Tyson grabbed Cole and requested a sexual relationship. They alleged Tyson, who served time in an Indiana prison for a rape conviction, swore at Butts after learning she was a correctional officer. In papers filed by Tyson's lawyers, six witnesses said the boxer was verbally harassed by the women and was not abusive. Cole and Butts were seeking a total of $7.5 million in damages. Lawyers for both sides said they agreed to keep terms of the settlement confidential.

May 19, 2000 -- American boxer Mike Tyson's lawyer said that his client is determined to clear his name following allegations that the boxer hit a stripper in a Las Vegas nightclub. The dancer, Victoria Bianco, has filed a report on the alleged incident with local police who are now investigating her claim, according to the BBC reports on Friday. Bianco claims the former world heavyweight champion punched her in the chest and hurled expletives at her in a club where she was working as a topless dancer. Police were called to the scene, but after interviewing witnesses, including Tyson himself, they decided not to press charges.

June 27, 2000 -- A former topless dancer is seeking unspecified damages from heavyweight boxer Mike Tyson in connection with a May incident in which she says the boxer struck her while she was at work. In a lawsuit filed Friday, Victoria Bianco said Tyson struck her in the chest without provocation at Cheetah's, a topless club near downtown Las Vegas. The lawsuit has not been brought to court yet (as of Jan. 23, 2002).

July 29, 2001 -- Heavyweight boxer Mike Tyson continued preparations for his next fight Sunday in Phoenix while authorities in California continued investigating an allegation that he sexually assaulted Arlene Moorman, 50, at his rented home in the small mountain town of Big Bear City. Tyson, a former world champion who served three years in prison for a 1992 rape, has not been charged in the alleged incident, although San Bernardino County sheriff's investigators have indicated they wanted to question the boxer in the near future.

Aug. 18, 2001 -- California prosecutors have decided not to press charges against boxer Mike Tyson in connection with an alleged sexual assault on Arlene Moorman near Big Bear Lake.

Dec. 18, 2001 -- Police were today investigating claims that Mike Tyson assaulted an ex-boxer outside a New York nightclub. Retired heavyweight Mitchell Rose has filed a complaint, claiming Tyson attacked him after he made a joke about the former champion's entourage of women. Police in New York are investigating the claims but have not yet interviewed Tyson, a convicted rapist, or pressed any charges following the alleged incident early on Sunday morning.

Jan. 22, 20002 -- Police in Las Vegas said that they found evidence supporting a woman's claim she was raped by Tyson. The case is with the local district attorney's office, which will decide over the next weeks whether to charge Tyson.

 

[El Diablo]

Half those claims are bogus especially the last one which I see hasn't been updated.

 

[Blade]

Half those claims are bogus especially the last one which I see hasn't been updated.

Bogus in what sense?