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I'm Gutted - again

playdaball

Bench
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We should have won that game vs Penrith.

-Missed Fien
-Needed 'zip' from dummy at times - Anderson went well
-Good on Ropati and Manu
-Some bad last tackle options
-small crowd again
-Stacey missed the first conversation - sitter
-Price was not 100% but still went okay
-Villa is looking good from the bench again
-Bring on the 'Man'
I'm a little dumbfounded ATM ...
 

Lego_Man

First Grade
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Not all is well.

That game was ours for the taking. We should have won by 20.

The positives:
-Excellent go-forward and dominant performance against a big pack
-Big improvement by Jerome Ropati
-Vatuvei played well

The negatives:
-Injury to Fien, which meant Lance at number 6:
-Hohaia prett shithouse again
-Toopi still pretty crap
-Guttenbeil still pretty crap
-Finishing bloody ordinary, both general last tackle options but particularly within opposition 20.

Overall: Foundation is there...good defence but we really need to sharpen up in attack. Hohaia is not the answer, neither is Guttenbeil.

This is the answer:

1. Webb
2. Meli
3. Byrne
4. Mannering/Ropati
5. Vatuvei
6. Fien
7. Jones
8. Villasanti
9. Anderson
10. Price
11.Wiki
12. Faumuina
13. Betham/Koopu

14. Betham/Koopu
15. Te Mata
17. Mr Effective
18. Ropati
 

NZ Warrior

First Grade
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How did we lose that one???

How good is Koopu?

How is Guttenbiel still in the team?

Oh how we will miss Fien...
 

NZ Warrior

First Grade
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I'm getting sick of people shitting on Hohaia, he was tackling himself to a stand still and he tackled well. I think he had a good game apart from some handling errors and wrong options.

I'd like to see Hohaia at Hooker. But taking nothing away from Anderson.
 

Lego_Man

First Grade
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NZ Warrior said:
I'm getting sick of people sh*tting on Hohaia, he was tackling himself to a stand still and he tackled well. I think he had a good game apart from some handling errors and wrong options.

I'd like to see Hohaia at Hooker. But taking nothing away from Anderson.

Once you get it into your head that a player is shit, its hard to snap out of it. If Toopi had a blinder next week i probably wouldn't even notice...

;-)
 

SpaceMonkey

Immortal
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The frustrating thing is that we have all the foundations of a winning side that were so surely lacking lasty year. Great go-forward, great defence, (least missed tackles and ineffective tackles out of any side in the competition) decent long kicking game, but it's our attacking options at the opposion end of the park which are starving us of points and preventing us from winning. Hopefully Fien is ok and gts a decent crack at it next week.
 

budz

Juniors
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I thought hohaia did pretty well. His kicking game wasnt too bad, and he tackled his ass off. I think that was more due to the Panthers running at him all day, but still he did well.
 

Iafeta

Referee
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Can anyone else smell that? Its the sweet scent of a premiership. F*** me we're that close to having a premiership team its not funny. Deadset, that pack of forwards we have are a pack of brutes, the best pack in the business (particularly if you add Sione Faumuina into the backrow, and drop Guttenbeil out of the team altogether for Tevita Latu's imminent return - coincidentally, with the Chooks trying to use City/Country as a game of Finch's suspension, does the test count for Latu?)

That Penrith pack, they're big and strong and have internationals left right and centre, but Price, Wiki, Paleaaesina, Koopu, Te Mata, Villasanti made them look like a bunch of Terry-towelling pussy cats.

But, wrong options at the wrong times are costing us. That last attacking raid from us, Stacey bombed a try pure and simple, if he passes 2 paces ahead of where he does instead of going into a tackle situation its a try in the corner.

Positives:

* Prop rotation: Price, Wiki, Villasanti, Paleaaesina - best in the business
* Manu Vatuvei: Clearly a superstar in the making, world class prospect
* Toddy "The Turtle" Byrne: Complementing the pack by backing up off breaks
* J'Ro: Couple of good decisive plays, half a split second timing wise off putting Lance Hohaia under the black dot
* Hey Presto: Forcing him into probably his worst game in two years, Toddy the Turtle fend off on him and Manu's intercept grants Presto two more on the try assist list
* Players running to the line for Stacey: Had some good options
* Good D: The Warriors are 4th in the overall defensive stats this year, 1st in missed tackles and 2nd in tackle efficiency.
* Improvement in discipline: Tops

Negatives:

* Goal kicking: The two Stacey missed he was entitled to get, thats the ball game
* Couldn't contain Wesser: He's a machine
* Lack of composure: That kick from Toopi near the end was quite a stupid play really, Stacey into the in goal either a try or a repeat set, sweet as
* Nathan Fien's injury: NASTY! We desperately need him back, his spark outside Jones was probably the difference between a commanding win and a soft loss
* Not finishing them off: We should have won, that simple. Better completion rate, less missed tackles, more line breaks, just didn't finish off the plays when it counted

Looking at the coaching, Kevo has added a huge aspect to the game given he's the Defensive Co-Ordinator, Ivan Cleary and Tony Kemp have got the team mainly going well forward, now we just need to get our 20 metre plays working better. If we can take advantage of the position Price, Wiki and co are putting us in, we can turn 3 and 4 into 10-7 or something like that in no time flat. I'm convinced, this is the best pack we've ever had, lets take advantage of it.
 

ThrashViking

Juniors
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Hohaia offered nothing in attack (did he run the ball up at all?)but defended well.
Guttenbeil really needs to go and Toopi again was rather weak.
Was impressed with Ropati today, he didnt seem to make as much errors as past weeks and Vatuvei once again was excellent.
I think the score would of been different had Fien not got injured :(
 

NZ Warrior

First Grade
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I think Fien has a fractured eye socket, so he'll be out for about 4-6 weeks. Maybe longer. Very disconcerting.
 
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NZ Warrior said:
I'm getting sick of people sh*tting on Hohaia, he was tackling himself to a stand still and he tackled well. I think he had a good game apart from some handling errors and wrong options.

I'd like to see Hohaia at Hooker. But taking nothing away from Anderson.

Hes not there for his tackling, he is supposed to be there for his attack and he is shithouse in attack. Look at his kicking game. Its shithouse as well
 

NZ Warrior

First Grade
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He had a lot of traffic coming his way today. I think he did very well. Some of his kicks were a bit short, but I certainly wouldn't call them shithouse.

Take your "I hate Hohaia" tinted shades off and call it straight, playa.
 

Lego_Man

First Grade
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Well, it will be interesting next week, two of the best defences in the comp going head to head.

We really need to step up our attack if we are to penetrate the Sharks line though...

And yes i do agree, Fien stays on the field, we would have won by 20.

Next few weeks will be tough, Hohaia will really need to show us what he's got (if anything) or its goodnight to our top 6 chances.
 

Manu Vatuvei

Coach
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This is weird but...I agree with Iafeta. I thought it was a tremendous performance and, well, we just kinda lost somehow. We played ALL OVER THEM. Swings and roundabouts I suppose- the Knights played all over us 2 weeks ago, and we won.

Our defence was terrific. Our attack was mediocre, which was a result of team selection. We must NEVER enter a game with the following starting back-row- Guttenbeil, Koopu, Te Mata, OR Guttenbeil, Koopu, Betham. It was the same as round 1 v Manly. You just can't go with 3 workhorses in the backrow. You'll never score any tries. I know you're sick of my supposed Faumuina boosting, but surely we can all see that he would've been a vital element in improving the balance of today's side?

Having said that, we did more than enough to win, and our finishing let us down. Stacey took some dreadful options in the first half. When he put the kick through which was caught by Priddis, who was then smashed by Villasanti, all he had to do was a) run it, or b) pass it, and it would've been a try. And I'm not convinced that the Ropati to Hohaia pass was forward. Ropati stepped back when he threw it, which was deceptive.

Overall, it was a very exciting game to be at, pretty high quality especially down the middle, and we were a bit unlucky. Overall I'm encouraged.
 

Manu Vatuvei

Coach
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Also, just a sidenote- we were extremely unlucky in that both Meli and Vatuvei seemed to be suffering from injuries or cramp for the last 10 minutes. Having both wingers hobbling around is not ideal when you want to launch a late attack. That may have made a difference.
 

Dr Crane

Live Update Team
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Overall, it was a very exciting game to be at, pretty high quality especially down the middle, and we were a bit unlucky. Overall I'm encouraged.

Thats the one.
 

Munky

Coach
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Thierry Henry said:
This is weird but...I agree with Iafeta. I thought it was a tremendous performance and, well, we just kinda lost somehow. We played ALL OVER THEM.

We smashed the Cowboys last week and still managed to lose, this week the same thing happened to your lot.
 

Manu Vatuvei

Coach
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Munky said:
Thierry Henry said:
This is weird but...I agree with Iafeta. I thought it was a tremendous performance and, well, we just kinda lost somehow. We played ALL OVER THEM.

We smashed the Cowboys last week and still managed to lose, this week the same thing happened to your lot.

Yep, and the Knights probably felt that they smashed us 2 weeks ago. It happens.
 

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