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International Window

whatsdoing1982

Juniors
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I think an international window is required in Rugby League.

15th April to 15th May - Allowing for Aus v NZ Anzac Test, France v Eng etc. Their should be a game by all regions during this period.

8th October to 1st December - This allowing for tri nations, world cups etc.

This is when all nations can hold their internationals and clubs have to release them during this period. If they do not get released and say miss 2 international games, then they have to miss 2 club games. Any international game outside this time frame then clubs dont have to release their players.

I think this if agreed and signed by all players under the RLIF will work and should be enforced.
 

langpark

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i like that idea. But i think realistically there should just be one weekend allocated for it. So all club comps stop for that weekend, Friday to Sunday there should be games like:

Aus v NZ
England v France
Wales v Ireland
Scotland v Russia
PNG v Fiji
Tonga v Samoa

And they should all be televised :) How awesome would that be? I don't think there would be any blowout scorelines.
 

roughyedspud

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are any of the pacific nation playing when australia & NZ are playing?? if not why not?

we should have 2 worldwide,international weekends each year

1 revolving around anzac day and the 2nd revolving around bastille day (july 14th)
 

thommo4pm

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It's a good idea, and this why the clubs in the NRL could all have their "bye" weekends on the same weekend.
Maybe a little closer to the halfway point of the comp though.
Get another test match into the schedule.
Play the Anzac Test match, and then also make a weekend where the nations listed above in another post all play each other, and yes televise the bloody thing.
I like it and it has merit.

Surely the ESL can go without for 1 round also.
Problem being the RLIF don't seem as broad minded as some people on this forum. :(
 

yosh64

Juniors
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260
langpark said:
i like that idea. But i think realistically there should just be one weekend allocated for it. So all club comps stop for that weekend, Friday to Sunday there should be games like:

Aus v NZ
England v France
Wales v Ireland
Scotland v Russia
PNG v Fiji
Tonga v Samoa

And they should all be televised :) How awesome would that be? I don't think there would be any blowout scorelines.

Totally agree. Should only be for a weekend. Like the idea of windows so that we can have all the best players for each team. It cant be a coincedence that NZ get smashed at the ANZAC test when they cant get their ESL players but always put up a fight at the end of year matches when they do have them.
 

yosh64

Juniors
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Just thought. Clearly the clubs wouldnt give up a round of matches where they lose gate income. So therefore the competition would have to start earlier or finish later based on how many weekends they have as a international window.

If started earlier would this affect the players health (playing in hotter weather)?

A positive would be league having greater media exposure over a longer period of time, just like soccer.

Also hard to say what days it should be on... It would be a fight to get it on the day that most suits each country. We'd want ANZAC, France would want Bastille, England would want a specific day. What happens when one of the countries dont get what they want. Imagine if we dont get it on ANZAC day!
 

thommo4pm

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Could also throw in USA vs Lebanon.
Malta vs Greece
Japan vs South Africa.
Cook Islands vs NZ Maori

I guess costs would be an issue though.
 

Quidgybo

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This has been discussed a couple of times on this forum in the last six months, so I'll just repeat what I've suggested previously. Not one or two representative windows, but four mid season rep weeks each season spaced three to four weeks apart. Each running from Thursday to the following Wednesday night, during which the respective governing bodies (ARL, RFL, NZRL, PNGRL etc etc) are free to organise whatever representative matches they see fit - Tests, Interstate, Regional etc etc. All clubs worldwide obligated to release any and all players selected to play in not more than one match each during these weeks and players must be stood down from clubs games until they have played in that match.

Exactly how many and what matches are sanctioned would be up to the respective governing bodies and not dictated by the professional club comps like the NRL and ESL. The ARL would probably choose to to use its four weeks with the City/Country and Anzac Tests played Thursday/Friday in week one (allowing players to back up for NRL clubs), and the other three weeks with Wednesday night Origin games (forcing players to stand down from the previous weekend's NRL club matches). For the ARL essentially it means zero change - Australian players don't miss club games for City/Country and the Anzac Test but do for Origin. The NRL and ESL could still choose to play during those four weeks - that's their choice. But players must be stood down and released upon the request of a governing body to compete in a sanctioned rep match during those windows. The flip side is the guarantee that players would never be called upon and would not have to released outside of those four weeks. The perpetual arguments over international player release would be ended.

The crucial difference comes with what it allows the other nations to do. By formalising the weeks and the stand down requirements, it allows every other nation to organise rep games concurrently with the Anzac Test and State of Origin matches. The NZRL might choose to play the Anzac Test, a match against a Pacific Islands nation and two domestic Origin games (all four games drawing on eligible NRL and ESL stars). The RFL might choose to play a four match tri series between England, France and Wales. The PNGRL might choose to bring back their three or four NRL and ESL players and play a Papua vs New Guinea match. So each year's third rep week we could see a Kiwi North vs South match in Wellington on the Friday night, France playing England in Toulouse on the Saturday night, PNG playing Fiji in Port Moresby on Sunday afternoon and QLD playing NSW in Brisbane on Wednesday night.

The real bonus of following this model is that it goes a significant way to bringing the development and representative opportunities for the other nations on par with the Australians. Instead of the NRL/ARL being able to dictate the release of their own players for matches and simultaneously deny the same development opportunity to other nations, everyone gets the same opportunity. All nations get the chance to run matches that either build a wider pool of players with rep experience and/or build combination and player familiarity within their national squads. And the additional rep opportunities will encourage fewer players to abandon their home nations in favour of pursuing Origin and Kangaroo selection. These opportunities will pay back for the game in future Tri-Nations and World Cups when the smaller nations (including the Kiwis) can put their best foot forward in providing credible opposition to the Kangaroos instead of always being a mile behind the eight ball before they even take the field.

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=164368
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=160826&page=2
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=157920

Leigh.
 

Quidgybo

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roughyedspud said:
we should have 2 worldwide,international weekends each year

1 revolving around anzac day and the 2nd revolving around bastille day (july 14th)
Also hard to say what days it should be on... It would be a fight to get it on the day that most suits each country. We'd want ANZAC, France would want Bastille, England would want a specific day. What happens when one of the countries dont get what they want. Imagine if we dont get it on ANZAC day!
As far as Bastille is concerned, Australia could easily accomodate that date - that's typically about the time that Origin 3 is played. Realistically the only countries that need to appeased on dates are the big boys - Australia, England and New Zealand. They're the ones with big money to make and lose out of these matches, and they're the ones that will be drawing the huge crowds and television ratings. For the smaller nations it's more an exercise in player development. They'll happy take any date they're given to get a chance to play their few NRL or ESL stars in a game with their up and coming youngsters and players from their lower leagues.

Leigh
 

yosh64

Juniors
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In reply to quidgybo. Sounds all good. Still pushes the local comp out by 4 weeks. And id really love to see a 3 match series with NZ (possibly making the first match of the series the ANZAC test). We have such a rivalry with QLD/NSW as we play 3 matches against them. Theres a natural rivalry with NZ, all thats lacking is some passion and competition. Im sure that if NZ win some, they will be gloating to us and we will do the same when we win creating that passion amongst fans. But i spose we can still have the other two matches on after the GF like we do now, so all up an extra month and a half of footy taking us to mid november. Like to see AFL and union provide that much excitement over 8 months. AFL doesnt have anything to match our rep matches (expecially if combined with eng v fran, p v ng, nz south v north or nz v pacific islanders). So may as well highlight this by having a pause from the domestic comp.

Sounds so good, cant understand why people arent trying to make it happen.

Can anyone think of possible reasons for people/factions to be opposed to this? Ie, clubs opposed cause they could lose their stars to injury... come up with some others guys im interested.
 

whatsdoing1982

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It wont increase the NRL or Super League comp. Just like soccer the normal comps will run as per normal. This is up and above the normal season. Each international team may only have 1 game with the option of up to 4. All it means is our rep players if called upon during this time then they will have to double up or miss a season game. Tough call for the clubs but they will know this when they buy the player.
Its the only way to get some pride and passion in the international jersey.

No more my knee is sore or family matters. You play during these windows or miss the amount of games in club that you pull out in international games.
 

hutch

First Grade
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langpark said:
i like that idea. But i think realistically there should just be one weekend allocated for it. So all club comps stop for that weekend, Friday to Sunday there should be games like:

Aus v NZ
England v France
Wales v Ireland
Scotland v Russia
PNG v Fiji
Tonga v Samoa

And they should all be televised :) How awesome would that be? I don't think there would be any blowout scorelines.

that would make a lot of people (including myself) on these boards very happy. more internationals for countries outside big 3 is a must. i love the idea of international windows like they have in soccer. the rlif need to start planning schedules ahead, but we all know carr & love (arl) have no vision.
 

magpie_man

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Yeah, I really like the idea. Maybe four weeks is pushing it at the moment, keep it at two to begin with; ANZAC day and Bastielle day would make sense.
get some of the other nations in on the action as langpark suggested :thumb
 

Quidgybo

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whatsdoing1982 said:
It wont increase the NRL or Super League comp. Just like soccer the normal comps will run as per normal. This is up and above the normal season. Each international team may only have 1 game with the option of up to 4. All it means is our rep players if called upon during this time then they will have to double up or miss a season game. Tough call for the clubs but they will know this when they buy the player.
The thing being forgotten when we say four weeks is too many is that it is exactly what we have now. The majority of the players playing in the NRL and the majority of those NRL players affected by rep duties - Australians eligible to play for the Kangaroos, NSW, QLD, City and Country - already play these rep games and then back up for club matches or play these games and miss club games. Four rep weeks wouldn't change that. The biggest change would be the large minority of Kiwi eligible players who already back up after the Anzac Test but are currently available for club duties at Origin time. If they played one, two or three extra games concurrently with Origin then the clubs could have between 17 and 34 extra players unavailable or backing up after a rep game.

But the impact of Kiwi players playing extra games would be spread across both the NRL and SL because with a true international window the NZRL could select players from both. It should also be remembered that four of the sixteen NRL clubs will already have byes during these rep weeks and would continue to do so meaning any non Origin rep players drawn from these teams would not miss or have to back up for a club game. Of course, with only a single bye for each club, the Warriors would be the single biggest club affected potentially being left for three rounds each season with a second string side or a side with most players backing up within 72 hours of a rep game. This is a similar situation to that of the Broncos who for many years supplied an overwhelming majority of the QLD side. But in this case the Warriors could be providing substantial numbers to not just to one rep team but at least two (in the case of the NZRL running its own Origin series).

But beyond the Australians and the Kiwis the impact on NRL first grade sides would be negligible. I'd guess 10 at most from the entire competition or on average less than one player per club. But again, given the number of Pacific nations playing RL, the impact is likely to affect the Warriors proportionally more than any other single club. Of course if and when a second NZ club enters the NRL the situation will quickly change to one a lot more akin to the Broncos/Cowboys with the impact of the Kiwi/Pacific rep drain being split.

No more my knee is sore or family matters. You play during these windows or miss the amount of games in club that you pull out in international games.
Exactly. Either you're available for a sanctioned rep game if selected or you're not available for your club during that week.

Leigh.
 

yosh64

Juniors
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Quidgybo said:
The thing being forgotten when we say four weeks is too many is that it is exactly what we have now. The majority of the players playing in the NRL and the majority of those NRL players affected by rep duties - Australians eligible to play for the Kangaroos, NSW, QLD, City and Country - already play these rep games and then back up for club matches or play these games and miss club games. Four rep weeks wouldn't change that. The biggest change would be the large minority of Kiwi eligible players who already back up after the Anzac Test but are currently available for club duties at Origin time. If they played one, two or three extra games concurrently with Origin then the clubs could have between 17 and 34 extra players unavailable or backing up after a rep game.

But the impact of Kiwi players playing extra games would be spread across both the NRL and SL because with a true international window the NZRL could select players from both. It should also be remembered that four of the sixteen NRL clubs will already have byes during these rep weeks and would continue to do so meaning any non Origin rep players drawn from these teams would not miss or have to back up for a club game. Of course, with only a single bye for each club, the Warriors would be the single biggest club affected potentially being left for three rounds each season with a second string side or a side with most players backing up within 72 hours of a rep game. This is a similar situation to that of the Broncos who for many years supplied an overwhelming majority of the QLD side. But in this case the Warriors could be providing substantial numbers to not just to one rep team but at least two (in the case of the NZRL running its own Origin series).

But beyond the Australians and the Kiwis the impact on NRL first grade sides would be negligible. I'd guess 10 at most from the entire competition or on average less than one player per club. But again, given the number of Pacific nations playing RL, the impact is likely to affect the Warriors proportionally more than any other single club. Of course if and when a second NZ club enters the NRL the situation will quickly change to one a lot more akin to the Broncos/Cowboys with the impact of the Kiwi/Pacific rep drain being split.

Exactly. Either you're available for a sanctioned rep game if selected or you're not available for your club during that week.

Leigh.


Really good points mate

Wish some of this stuff would sink in to the games administrators...
 

whatsdoing1982

Juniors
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Thank you. I am that passionate about the international game that I am going to work for the RLIF one day and hopefully push the ARL around a bit and not let them run the show. Time to put the game first.
 

Mr. Fahrenheit

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whatsdoing1982 said:
Thank you. I am that passionate about the international game that I am going to work for the RLIF one day and hopefully push the ARL around a bit and not let them run the show. Time to put the game first.

mate thats my ambition too, i mite see ya there hey?
 

roughyedspud

Coach
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whatsdoing1982 said:
Thank you. I am that passionate about the international game that I am going to work for the RLIF one day and hopefully push the ARL around a bit and not let them run the show. Time to put the game first.

i have first dabs on that job:D
 

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