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Is there anyone left to blame?

westie

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So we've had players not retained and CEO's pushed this year. Players and now backroom staff have walked for "a fresh start". If we fail next year, the one and only constant (apart from proven performers Benji and Robbie) are Sheens and Simmons. If we fail next year, is there anyone else left for them to blame? For the media to blame? For the CEO/board/ to blame?

Serious question this time.
 

37916319

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How do u measure failure & success.

Would making the finals next year and dropping out first round be a success?? Do u think Manly succeeded this year?

Unless Tim Sheens can take us to the qualifing final, where we put in a good performance but get outgunned by the team who goes onto win the final, the tigers have failed.

Theres been too many in betweens since 2005. Simply making the 8 is not good enough anymore.

I watched the 2005 final highlights last week and post game Sheens said something along the lines of "theyre a great young bunch of boys but it would be hard to go on with it next year, but we'll enjoy it for now". I respect the fact he had the vision to see the problems ahead, but 4 seasons later and he has still not rectified the problems.

The scary thing about next year is we win the couple games we lost by 2 this year, make the semis, sheens get contract extension and thats it. Thats as good as it gets while he's at the helm.

Tim we thank u for the memories, but its time to go champ. I heard fly fishing is a good pass time
 

westie

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Sheens set his own target at top 4 for the year. A good performance to around this level, even being beaten by a top performance in the finals is acceptable.
Dragons and Bulldogs showed good clubs can turn things around and get to the top in a year, we should be able to.

I seem to remember Sheens saying they went off too early and were building for '06, '07 which is when they brought in signings on big money. They fluked '05 by their own admission and blew the next few years.
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
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Its funny the free ride that Shines seems to get from the media...

I was watching the Back Page last night, and when they discussed the Jason Taylor incident, they mentioned how JT was a failure for not getting Souths to the finals...

Why doesn't anyone say this in the media about Shines??

Also, is there anyone at the club that has the kahunas to stand up to Shines??

We saw what happened earlier in the year when someone tried that....
 

Magpies Forever

Juniors
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Its funny the free ride that Shines seems to get from the media...

I was watching the Back Page last night, and when they discussed the Jason Taylor incident, they mentioned how JT was a failure for not getting Souths to the finals...

Why doesn't anyone say this in the media about Shines??

Also, is there anyone at the club that has the kahunas to stand up to Shines??

We saw what happened earlier in the year when someone tried that....

Yep, Sheens free ride by the media has been commented many times here. Weird isnt it?
 

madunit

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It's due almost entirely to the complete lack of real journalists in sports media at all nowadays, thus, no-one has the balls or the know-how to go about asking tough questions and doing some hard work/research.

Personally, I don't think he'll stay on at the end of the year. I think bringing Folkes in is a signal that he has intimated he isn't planning to stay around.

No top grade coach with any nous would hire a relatively successful former head coach as a strength/conditioning coach.

With Sheens being the Test coach, he'll either test the field or, do a meninga and take on the top gig as a part time coaching role/development role thing for the NRL.

He's getting on, he'll be wanting to retire soon anyways.

With Sheens departure, I dare say Simmons wouldn't last much longer. If Folkes becomes Head coach, Simmons will leave. Simmons is like Costello to Sheens' Howard imo, he wants the top gig, but only once his boss goes.

Problem is, a new leader will be elected in and he'll have to retire.
 

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69-05-41

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I blame 2005. If not for 2005 finishing 9th would be a successful season and Sheen's would be the most consistently successful coach in the NRL.
 

RoMo

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The Tele will be blamed for not nominating the great man for coach of the yr for 2 seasons running now
 

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