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Is there really a rats arse difference between a five-eighth and halfback ..

whall15

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You should come into the Parra forum to be educated about the difference between left, right and middle halves.
 

rabbitohs95

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Pretty sure back in the day (or the traditional roles) was that the halfback organised the forwards and the 5/8 would spread the ball out to the backs.

Nowadays it's more like left and right side half.
 

nick87

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If your team is playing a genuine split halves, then no, the fullback generally acts as the roving 5/8th, and each half acts as a halfback for their side of the field.
 

Mr Angry

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Number does not count.

It still however remains, best to have an organiser, primary kicker and a runner, secondary kicker. Best to get them to set each other up for stuff.
 

Springs

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In some teams yes, in others no.
There's a big reason why coaches often put fullbacks or backrowers to play 5/8, but never halfback. There's a reason why players like Benji and Carney went so well at 5/8, but shit at half. The role they play is different in their respective team.
 

Kurt Angle

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Well if you're NSW, and your half in Andrew Johns, and your 5/8 is Shaun Timmins, there's a hell of a difference.
 

ram raid

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In some teams yes, in others no.
There's a big reason why coaches often put fullbacks or backrowers to play 5/8, but never halfback. There's a reason why players like Benji and Carney went so well at 5/8, but shit at half. The role they play is different in their respective team.

So what is it then (the reason)?
 

Mr Angry

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Not new either

Runner-Organiser
6. Kenny 7. Sterling
6. Daley 7. Stuart

Organiser-Runner
6. Lewis 7. Langer
6. Fittler 7. Wing

Which makes me think how good
6. Lockyer 7. Thurston
Both runners and organisers.
 

ram raid

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Ive seen plenty of 5/8s feed scrums. Its not a rule at all

You know what they should do. Put all the backs into the scrum when they have a feed close to the line. Put all the forwards in the back line and pass it to the big boys to run over the midgets trying to defend.
 

Bazal

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And yet our halves play split.
Sandow on the right, Norman on the left. A lot of the time they are playing second receiver though with Joseph Paulo getting the ball first. Then Hayne can play off both.

Our halves play both split and traditional, depending on the situation and the play. And they also swap sides when they are split. I'd have to watch more closely but I feel like Norman actually plays more right than Sandow. The advantage we have is Hayne; we can play split or traditional halves with the third playmaker (and even fourth, if Sef Paulo isn't being a genius that day) chiming in as well, or we can play traditional "linked" halves with Paulo or Hayne on the other side. And occasionally you'll see a first and second receiver on BOTH sides, eg Paulo and Sandow on one side and Hayne and Norman on the other. We're quite fluid, really.

We attack more out of second receiver, with Norman and Paulo often filling the traditional first receiver role and distributing to Hayne and Sandow as the "split" halves. Which I think is why Sandow has found some form again, tbh. He gets to play whats in front of him a lot more with Norman doing a lot of the boring work. Ultimately though all teams play split halves at times and traditional linked halves at others.

Anyway I think there is still a big difference between halfback and five-eighth. You still have a dominant half and a secondary half in most sides, they just may not be traditionally numbered. Thurston wears 6 but he's really a halfback, for example. But in most sides the controlling player is still the 7, and the 6 is the secondary play maker. It's just the way halves are played that's changed.
 
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Not new either

Runner-Organiser
6. Kenny 7. Sterling
6. Daley 7. Stuart

Organiser-Runner
6. Lewis 7. Langer
6. Fittler 7. Wing

Which makes me think how good
6. Lockyer 7. Thurston
Both runners and organisers.

Perfectly put. Some 7's are dominant (Organisers) some 6's are, from what I saw, W Lewis was more of a 7 than a 6, as was D Lockyer a lot of the time towards the end of his career. Lockyer and Thurston used to share responsibilities in Origin towards the end. I took some stats on a replay of Origin III 2011, and Lockyer used to dominate the first half of halves and Thurston the second half of both halves. As he is quicker makes sense that, obviously to exploit tiring defences.
 

Zigwaa

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No difference in today's game. That's why NSW abundance of good 5/8's should been playing half and 5/8 instead of Pearce at half for the last 4 years.
 

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