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Is this going to kill league in the Pacific?

carlnz

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Pacific Island nations yesterday welcomed the proposed second-tier international programme and funding approved by the International Rugby Board.

New Zealand Rugby Union chief executive Chris Moller, who is in Cape Town for the IRB meeting, commended the board for the initiative it has taken to develop the game in the region.

The IRB proposes to start a six-team competition for the Junior All Blacks, Australia A, Japan, Tonga, Samoa and Fiji in June-July next year as part of its multimillion dollar project.

It aims to increase depth and competitiveness at tier one, where Argentina, Australia, England, France, Ireland, New Zealand, Scotland, South Africa and Wales compete.

Half of the 30 million ($78 million) injection the IRB approved is to go to tier-two nations - Canada, Fiji, Japan, Romania, Samoa, Tonga and the US - to help them compete effectively with the top nations.

Samoa, Romania, Canada and the US will each receive US$2.7 million ($3.9 million) over three years, Tonga will receive US$1.48 million, Fiji US$1.4 million and Japan US$930,000.

Moller said the NZRFU was committed to the Junior All Blacks' programme as part of its high-performance plan.

His union also supported the IRB's approach to the development of tier-two nations, but understood details of the competition were still to be worked through.

Australia had previously pushed for Tonga, Samoa, Fiji and Japan to compete against its Super 14 franchises, but the NZRFU opposed the proposal, saying it would be unfair for Australia to receive extra funding for the competition.

The NZRFU managed to influence the IRB to include the Junior All Blacks as well in the set-up, while Australia changed its stance to include Australia A instead of their state teams, although Australia is now expressing some doubts about the side competing.

Most of the IRB's investment will be spent on the appointment of coaches and high-performance managers to establish infrastructure in the targeted regions.

Fiji Rugby Union spokesman Vilikesa Rinavuaka said his union was delighted with the IRB move. "We've been crying out for this for so long, it's great news," he said.

"We've heard the plans but we still have to see the details and how it's going to be worked through, but we're delighted with IRB's effort."

The funding will be particularly welcomed by the cash-strapped Fiji Rugby Union, who recently required a $2 million grant from the Fijian Government to keep it afloat.

Samoa assistant coach Peter Fatialofa said the IRB decision would see island nations come back to compete with top-tier test sides.

"We can become a power again. It will help us with the programme we've already got going in places like Auckland, Wellington, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Apia.

"Once we can do what we want in developing players it will take about two-three years for us to be able to compete with the top countries. We already have the talent."

IRB chairman Syd Millar said the intention was for more teams to be contenders for the World Cup.

Millar believed the increased funding, infrastructure and competitions would make a "real difference" for second-tier nations.

"This is an historic day for rugby as it represents an unprecedented level of investment in rugby worldwide."


I think this could and will kill league in most of the Islands unless RLIF pull something out of the hat!!

Whats a kid going to do? Play league and "hope" that some scout see's him or go play rugby where you get TV Covereage and all that good stuff!!

On another note, i see they are saying that Samoa and Tonga will be the teams that will make it from the Pacific....what a way to reward Fiji who have been at the last two world cups, strong Demostic Comp and Juniors!

So Samoa will take their place because of all the "Samoan" players in the NRL!!

If Fiji dont make it, i dont blame them if they fold and say whats the point!

Automatic Entry:

1. Aus
2. NZ
3. Eng
4. France
5. PNG

Play offs:
6. Northen Hemp (Wales)
7. Northen Hemp (Ireland)
8. Northen Hemp (Lebanon)
9. Southern Hemp (Samoa)
10. Southern Hemp (Tonga)
 

Copa

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Where RU is ....RL can grow... and vice versa. RL needs some glamour events and players who are fed up with RU, feel they are not getting a chance, or who simply love RL, will want to be involved in RL.

RL has survived in NZ despite the dominance of RU. RL survives in victoria, south australia and western australia despite the dominance of AFL.....

Canadian Football survives (with good crowds too) despite the MASSIVE American football set up just nearby.
 

Sun_Down

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I cant see it killing League. This kind of thing was bound to happen sooner or later, Im not particulary worried.
 

griff

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It isn't going to kill league in the Pacific, but what it is is a massive missed opportunity.

With union ignoring the Pacific, league could have got it in there with a decent international program and turned a lot of players, clubs, etc to the 13 man game.

But now union has recognised what it has to do, and there is nowhere near the potential for league to capitalise on union's inaction.
 

LeagueXIII

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Surely league could pump in similar amounts of money to the islands. Oh , that's right, that would be development and probably wouldn't return a financial profit!
 
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We do NOTHING with the Islands as it is.....so it will have no effect on Rugby League.


In my opinion what we need is a Pacific Islands test side that can be used to market the game through the Islands.

The best League can hope for out of the Islands is for Islanders to head to NZ or Australia are try their luck.
 

carlnz

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what do you guys think about Fiji missing the WC if they lose the qualifiying matches to a NRL Samoan team??
 
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carlnz said:
what do you guys think about Fiji missing the WC if they lose the qualifiying matches to a NRL Samoan team??

I wouldnt have the individual Islands take part anyway, I'd pool them as a Pacific Islands team and hgive us anothe top nation.


HOWEVER......seen as thats a good idea and wont happen......I would have Fiji, Tonga and Samoa in the WC no matter what.
 

carlnz

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so LF if you do have Fiji, Tonga, and Samoa who do you leave out from Ireland, Wales and Lebanon?
 

aussies1st

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Leauge has never been big in countries like Samoa, Fiji and co. The only one it has been big in is PNG. Union still havent picked them up but their 7s could turned PNG over.
 
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carlnz said:
so LF if you do have Fiji, Tonga, and Samoa who do you leave out from Ireland, Wales and Lebanon?

If I had to chose from those nations...it would be Ireland. They dont really have anything going for them apart from Brian Carney.


I would hope all six of those sides are there though.


Its 12 teams this time around isnt it?
 
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Sun_Down said:
I thought Ireland was stronger than Wales?

In reality thats not the case.

During the last World Cup, the Ireland side was basically completely made up with the GP rule. It was a pretty handy side....but the vast majority of their better players have retired.

Wales isnt a very good side, they'd have Lee Briers and Iestyn Harris as their best players (Cunningham wont play) but they would be much better then Ireland.
 

c_eagle

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The money thrown about in that article is ridiculous. League just cannot compete with this sort of dosh on an international level. But, that doesn't mean that we should just turn around and give up on the pacific because we aren't in a position to compete monetarily. Just because we're far from being close, doesn't mean we should be disheartened and give nothing at all.

After all, what could you possibly buy with all that money? Yes, there's travel fee's and air expenses and tournament fee's. But a large bulk of that money in the developing nations will be used to improve grounds, buy posts, buy rugby balls, buy boots, buy jerseys. The sort of stuff that we can take advantage of too.
 
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I'd suggest that most of that money will be wasted.

League has thrown money at the problem in the past.....nothing good came of it.


One Fijian star in the NRL is work millions. Noa Nandruku, Lote Tuqiri.....people in Fiji LOVE them, look up to them and wasnt to be like them.

Thats how you get Islanders to support League. Get a hold of their best "rugby" players and give them heros to follow.
 

Woods99

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I cannot speak with first-hand experience about Fiji or Samoa, but I know that young men and boys in Tonga will continue to play whatever sport is made available to them. Rugby union has a head-start in all three countries, it is widely played, the countries play several international matches each year against each other which are widely publicised.

If you visit Tonga the most popular rugby shirt is the All Blacks strip. Tonga as a country relies heavily on overseas remittances, and for young men, playing rugby union (or league) overseas for money - preferably in New Zealand where there is a huge Tongan community - is still one of the only viable options for them.

I think that in all three countries the kids just enjoy playing sport. Rugby union is more popular than rugby league now, and there is no particular reason for that to change. Believe it, or believe it not, that's up to you.
 

griff

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All true, I don't think anyone is suggesting rugby league would ever take over from union in the island nations. But if they had the opportunity to see a star player like Nadruku, Tuqiri or Naiqama in action, to have the opportunity to play league for their country, even play an occasional home test match against GB, Aus or NZ, then more people would choose rugby league than they do now.
 

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