Is this Semi a waste of time ????

[forward pass]

It seems that way to me.

I know that momentum is important and all that - not to mention confidence, but seriously - what does this game mean?

It is highly unlikely the Rabbits or Broncs are going to win so what are we going to get all busted up for.

This McIntyre system is a croc and should have been thrown out years ago!! Unless there is a massive upset by the Rabbits or Broncs and Bulldogs win we go through anyway. Just seems a really silly system.

Oh....I still really want to win though !!!!

Fire away !

 

[Twizzle]

*shoots at FP*

 

[Nickeel]

I think after the three-match losing streak, followed by a dramatic reversal in form, we need another win before we hit the sudden-death games. So I think this game (for us) is extremely important. Lose and we will likely still play in Week 2, but we probably won't have any confidence to progress further.

But I take your point. Generally, 4v5 = meaningless. In our case, 4v5 = important.

Nick

 

[eel01s]

Well FP I seem to remember a few years back St George being bundled out from 5th position in week 1 when two lower placed teams won and they lost.

They assumed they would OK for week 2, but it didn't turn out that way.

Everyone is assuming Storm will beat the Broncos, but what happens if the Bunnies and Dogs win? That is why Parra can't take this game too easy. In all likelihood they will be there in week 2 win or lose, but the only way to be sure is to win.

 

[The Colonel]

1 v 4
2 v 3
5 v 8
6 v 7

That should be how the system works, same as the AFL system.

As has happened a few times a team outside the top four can lose in the first week and then win two games to play in the grand final whereas a team in the top four can win first week, get the week off and lose their second game and be omitted from the finals.

But yes, to a point it is essentially pointless if seven and eight lose. However if either of six, seven and eight win and we were to lose we'd be out on our ear anyway.

 

[Macca_]

AFL system would be much better!

We (team I coach) had that for our junior soccer season this year.

Hypothetical question, should we still be in the comp after this week and then win the next game...

Who would we prefer to play in a Grand Final Qual? Melbourne or Manly (assuming they both win this weekend)? If we beat the Warriors we are on the Storms side of the draw and if we lose to the Warriors we are on Manlys side of the draw. Depending on their result, it's Cowboys or Dogs as to who we play next week (this all assuming Storm and Manly win).

*I was bored at the airport on Monday and had the paper* :lol:

 

[TheParraboy]

1 v 4
2 v 3
5 v 8
6 v 7

That should be how the system works, same as the AFL system.

I like that idea, we would be wooping the Broncos again this weekend

 

[eel01s]

1 v 4
2 v 3
5 v 8
6 v 7

That should be how the system works, same as the AFL system.

As has happened a few times a team outside the top four can lose in the first week and then win two games to play in the grand final whereas a team in the top four can win first week, get the week off and lose their second game and be omitted from the finals.

But yes, to a point it is essentially pointless if seven and eight lose. However if either of six, seven and eight win and we were to lose we'd be out on our ear anyway.

This is the worst part of the McIntyre system, without a doubt! Remember 2005?

 

[Eelectrica]

Their are a few if's, buts and maybe's about this game and another is if we win and Cowboys lose, we'd face the Cows in Sydney. A bit easier than travelling up to NQ I would image.
Two long trips in succession probably wouldn't our chances much good.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Well FP I seem to remember a few years back St George being bundled out from 5th position in week 1 when two lower placed teams won and they lost.

I think it was 2004? They played a cracker of a game against Penrith that they were unlucky to lose (by 2 pts?) - everyone assumed they'd be a tough team to play in coming weeks...

It's the randomness of the McIntyre system! Only the top 2 teams are actually SAFE.

I don't mind the first week of the McIntyre system, means that 'anything could happen' - but the great weakness of the system is the second week where a first week winner gets rewarded with a harder game...

I'll demonstrate!

Assume that all the top 4 teams win EXCEPT Melbourne - who forget to show up!

Manly and NQ get the week off, and New Zealand, as their 'reward' for beating Parra are drawn to play Melbourne in the second week of the semis.
Parra, as 'punishment' for losing their first round game to the 5th placed team now travel to play the 8th placed team.

Whacky...


I agree with Colonel - the new AFL system is leaps and bounds ahead! The only argument I've heard against it is that the top 4 teams aren't playing for anything in their first game --> but I would totally disagree, they are playing for a week off and the chance to advance to the second last week of the season!

 

[The Engineers Room]

Basically the easiest systems to understand are the current 1v8 and former 1v4 systems.

There are alternatives like this one:

Week 1
1 v 8 a
2 v 7 b
3 v 6 c
4 v 5 d
lowest 2 ranked losers eliminated
Week 2
highest ranked winner v 2nd highest loser e
2nd highest winner v highest ranked loser f
3rd highest winner v 4th highest winner g
lowest 2 ranked losers eliminated (re ranked according to week 1)
Week 3
highest ranked winner v highest ranked loser h loser eliminated
2nd highest winner v 3rd highest winner i loser eliminated

winner h v winner i j loser eliminated

or this one:

1 2 a
3 8 b loser eliminated
4 7 c loser eliminated
5 6 d loser eliminated

winner a v bye
loser a v highest ranked winner e
middle ranked winner v lowest ranked winner f loser eliminated

winner a v winner e g
winner f v loser e h loser eliminated

winner g v bye
loser g v winner h i loser eliminated

winner g v winner i

 

[spiderdan]

i prefer the old final 8 format the arl used in 96 (same as afl now) but i think the main attraction of the current system is that at the start of the finals, depending on how results pan out, it is possible for any two teams to meet in the grand final.

 

[forward pass]

Something else to consider.

We have shown that we can't seem to string good performances back to back. Two in a row is about our limit it seems. Would it be so bad if we this match turns out to be one of our "haven't turned up" matches.

Then we can put in a good one next week when we may have to play the dogs (with SBW).

 

[Bigfella]

Colonel on that basis we would be worse off though?

It would make this game sudden death instead of possibly a second-chance?

 

[Macca_]

Colonel on that basis we would be worse off though?

It would make this game sudden death instead of possibly a second-chance?

On the flip side, it would be played at Parra Stadium not in NZ and we'd be playing the Broncs.

 

[V1er]

Their are a few if's, buts and maybe's about this game and another is if we win and Cowboys lose, we'd face the Cows in Sydney. A bit easier than travelling up to NQ I would image.
Two long trips in succession probably wouldn't our chances much good.

I havent looked at the chances, but say all the top 4 teams win, that means parra go to NQ if the win that they might have to go down to Melbourne, talk about a tough road trip, NZ, NQ then melbourne. anyteam who can do that will deserve a Grand final spot if either dogs or eels lose the first game they'll have a tough road to travel to get to the grand final.

 

[Suitman]

I havent looked at the chances, but say all the top 4 teams win, that means parra go to NQ if the win that they might have to go down to Melbourne, talk about a tough road trip, NZ, NQ then melbourne. anyteam who can do that will deserve a Grand final spot if either dogs or eels lose the first game they'll have a tough road to travel to get to the grand final.

If Melbourne play in Melbourne in week three, I think they have Colonial Stadium booked. Interesting to see what sort of crowd they'd get.

Suity

 

[The Colonel]

Colonel on that basis we would be worse off though?

It would make this game sudden death instead of possibly a second-chance?

Technically yes, however (as Macca points out) we would have home field advantage against an injury ravaged Broncos who we beat 68-22 less then a week before hand.

While we would be dis-advantaged this week it would give the advantage back to the top four, who really should have the advantage of progressing or having the losers chance.

At the moment if in the highly unlikely event that 5, 6, 7 and 8 win, 3 and 4 would be eliminated from the finals. While it is a highly unlikely scenario the only two teams who have any advantage are the top two teams.

 

[fanool]

This semi is a waste of time......

AND (assuming the top 4 wins)

If we Lose on Friday and then win next week we play Manly at the SFS

If we Win this Friday and we Win next week we Play Melbourne in Melbourne.

Which do you prefer?

If I were the coach I would forfeit this week and go into Camp to play the Cowboys in a fortnight................

 

[TheParraboy]

I havent looked at the chances, but say all the top 4 teams win, that means parra go to NQ if the win that they might have to go down to Melbourne, talk about a tough road trip, NZ, NQ then melbourne. anyteam who can do that will deserve a Grand final spot if either dogs or eels lose the first game they'll have a tough road to travel to get to the grand final.

Im a little confused

So the top 4 sides always have a home semi, right up to the GF?