Jack DeBelin interview

[Gardenia]

Indeed.

Very sad if true.

Also sad if untrue...

agree
Sad on so many levels if true or not true

 

[blue bags]

We all want justice served and I'm wondering why in this particular case allegations made in the courtroom are being splashed all over the media with gay abandon when usually the line on most court cases is " we can't say anything while the matter is before the courts " ?

L O L calm down bud, the media is a massive beast

 

[BLM01]

If he is found “not guilty” should not and hopefully will not mean that he is immediately returned to the club.

The evidence and agreed facts should have a bearing on any decision and I believe in my own mind that will be the case with the major if not all sponsors.

If the details are “sordid and / or sleazy” regardless of being legal then the sponsors will not be happy and they are far more important than JDB’s playing ability.

No way... agreed facts?..who has agreed to those facts yet in the detail that one argument or side have just portayed.
Because Fox sports published the most damming facts out of the whole statement to make it all about being sleazy and sordid as you call it. What about the counter side and what about the whole statement or court readings from both sides displaying "all" facts.
Is not the court system yet to determine what they believe the facts really are?

You are playing the PC card in this issue in regards to appease what you believe the feel good response is that the majority may think.(except for those directly involved) and thank god hopefully the court system does not take your point of view.
If he is found innocent.or not guilty as other people want to quote correct words on all charges.....then the after storm you are believing to happen (outside of the people that are really directly affected most from this matter) will blow over and be accepted. (including the media, NRL, sponsors and club and the like)....unless their is an appeal from the other side.

 

[BLM01]

He cannot be found innocent. The options are guilty and not guilty. Unless the charges are dropped mid-trial I suppose.


If there are he is not guilty.

legal words and interpretation..you all know what it means if the verdict is the opposite to guilty.on all charges of course

 

[BLM01]

Possum you are so wrong on this it is hard to know where to start.

He is not on trial in court for cheating on his wife.

He is on trial for a heinous crime with massive consequences.

This is not a family matter as you put it it is a criminal matter which was reported to the police who presented the evidence to the DPP who believe that on that basis there is a case to answer.

Your post unfortunately appears to trivialise or simplify a very complex situation with far reaching ramifications for all concerned including the club.

@possm may be doing what you say..but you doing the exact opposite and sensationalising your opinion and others perception based at this stage on and incomplete trial with no criminal charges proven yet in a court of law.

 

[Gardenia]

No way... agreed facts?..who has agreed to those facts yet in the detail that one argument or side have just portayed.
Because Fox sports published the most damming facts out of the whole statement to make it all about being sleazy and sordid as you call it. What about the counter side and what about the whole statement or court readings from both sides displaying "all" facts.
Is not the court system yet to determine what they believe the facts really are?

You are playing the PC card in this issue in regards to appease what you believe the feel good response is that the majority may think.(except for those directly involved) and thank god hopefully the court system does not take your point of view.
If he is found innocent.or not guilty as other people want to quote correct words on all charges.....then the after storm you are believing to happen (outside of the people that are really directly affected most from this matter) will blow over and be accepted. (including the media, NRL, sponsors and club and the like)....unless their is an appeal from the other side.

They cant appeal if he is found not guilty. Double jeopardy laws. There have been some somewhat scant reports of the defenses side of the argument from today. I was wondering if today the prosecution just had the entire floor and the defense doesnt get to speak till days later - as no detail on the defense claims only the complainants claims. I was genuinely wondering if thats how it works - if the prosecution says their part and the defense cant talk.

 

[Gareth67]

He cannot be found innocent. The options are guilty and not guilty. Unless the charges are dropped mid-trial I suppose.


If there are he is not guilty.

I do appreciate the niceties of what you are saying Mr. Frog , however I believe that you also understood just what it was that I was attempting to get across .

Should the case be declared a mis-trial , then there would always be some doubt hovering over the heads of both parties - something that will be with them for the rest of their days .

 

[St Tangles]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...m/news-story/8cc5ee32e546000c6425a9baca6ebe5f

Defence has started the cross examination

 

[Gardenia]

Unless you lock them in a cage how could you do that?

Its illegal for Jurors to access the internet regarding any aspects of the case during the trial. They can face criminal charges and punishment if they do.

 

[possm]

@possm may be doing what you say..but you doing the exact opposite and sensationalising your opinion and others perception based at this stage on and incomplete trial with no criminal charges proven yet in a court of law.

If De Belin is found not guilty, then his only wrong doing is having cheated on his partner, something I do not condone and something that goes against my life values but not something that I would judge to be a reason not to have him in the Saints team.

If De Belin if found guilty then he should face the penalty for that crime and obviously will not be in the Saints team.

I agree the full facts are not yet known by us observers and no judgement should be made until the facts are known AND the court has made it's decision.

 

[_Johnsy]

No way... agreed facts?..who has agreed to those facts yet in the detail that one argument or side have just portayed.
Because Fox sports published the most damming facts out of the whole statement to make it all about being sleazy and sordid as you call it. What about the counter side and what about the whole statement or court readings from both sides displaying "all" facts.
Is not the court system yet to determine what they believe the facts really are?

You are playing the PC card in this issue in regards to appease what you believe the feel good response is that the majority may think.(except for those directly involved) and thank god hopefully the court system does not take your point of view.
If he is found innocent.or not guilty as other people want to quote correct words on all charges.....then the after storm you are believing to happen (outside of the people that are really directly affected most from this matter) will blow over and be accepted. (including the media, NRL, sponsors and club and the like)....unless their is an appeal from the other side.

I noticed foxsports made no mention of the below.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11...l-hears-evidence-from-alleged-victim/12848628

Under cross-examination Mr de Belin's lawyer, David Campbell SC, introduced Wollongong City Council CCTV from outside a nightclub on Crown Street that was recorded about half an hour after the alleged assault.

Mr Campbell told the jury the footage showed the two accused and the woman walking along the street together.

Mr Campbell told the jury the video showed the complainant was laughing.

"I suggest to you it is clear and you can see that you were laughing, and quite hysterically," he said.

"That wasn't hysterical," the woman replied.

"And you were – obviously, to anyone looking at that footage – having a good time with people you wanted to be with?" Mr Campbell said.

"No" the woman said.

"The position is plain, isn't it? You were happy to be there, weren't you?" Mr Campbell asked.

"No," the woman said.

 

[possm]

I noticed foxsports made no mention of the below.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11...l-hears-evidence-from-alleged-victim/12848628

Under cross-examination Mr de Belin's lawyer, David Campbell SC, introduced Wollongong City Council CCTV from outside a nightclub on Crown Street that was recorded about half an hour after the alleged assault.

Mr Campbell told the jury the footage showed the two accused and the woman walking along the street together.

Mr Campbell told the jury the video showed the complainant was laughing.

"I suggest to you it is clear and you can see that you were laughing, and quite hysterically," he said.

"That wasn't hysterical," the woman replied.

"And you were – obviously, to anyone looking at that footage – having a good time with people you wanted to be with?" Mr Campbell said.

"No" the woman said.

"The position is plain, isn't it? You were happy to be there, weren't you?" Mr Campbell asked.

"No," the woman said.

I am sure there is a lot more similar evidence to more before the end of this court case. So I suggest we keep an open mind and treat JDB according to the findings of the court rather than single him out to be judged differently than those who have extra marital affairs; male or female or both.

 

[Old Timer]

@possm may be doing what you say..but you doing the exact opposite and sensationalising your opinion and others perception based at this stage on and incomplete trial with no criminal charges proven yet in a court of law.

Sensationalising my opinion???

I simply pointed out what is actually happening can you confirm / point out that is not what is happening?

 

[Splinters]

I don't know if this comment will be deleted. I am not commenting on the case.

But any young man needs to be told by his father that after having sex with a young lady, never, ever part from her on bad terms. A woman who has just had sex with a young man should not be offered $50 for an uber. She needs to hear "That was great, when can I see you again?" whether or not the young man intends to see her again. Ideally, there should be friendly post-coital banter via text.

It is well known that how a young woman feels about what happened may differ between when she goes to bed and when she wakes up - perhaps full of regret - the next morning. Young men need to fully understand this.

 

[BLM01]

Sensationalising my opinion???

I simply pointed out what is actually happening can you confirm / point out that is not what is happening?

I I don’t care what’s happening in the court room or arguments or what has been agreed behind close doors by both sides.
the court will decide what is actually happening, did happen or will happen, not us not the sponsors, not the media, WAGS, not the club nor NRL or anyone else that you mentioned will have concerns accepting him back if he is found not guilty of all charges is my whole point.
only people that will have a concern about the verdict are the people directly involved snd families and that’s where it should stay

My other point is that the club and the sponsors will except JDB contrary to your opinion and concerns if and only if he is found innocent or not guilty of all charges
If he does not sign with us some other club will pick him up who also have sponsors and all those other people you mentioned attached to the club

 

[Walpole]

I wonder if the Roosters or Melbourne, clubs held up by this very forum as annoyingly successful, would sign DeBelin if he was available.

 

[Slippery Morris]

I remember when Brett Stewart was in the same position and reading the victims accusations at the time in court, I was convinced Brett was guilty, I did not expect him to get off to be honest. She did not even go back to a room, it was in a public area from memory which you would think may be worse. Don't make any judgement until all evidence is heard as both sides will plead good cases and it is up to the jurors who will have a heap of evidence to decide. I would ignore what you read about the case until a verdict is made.

At the end of the day, if he does get off do you think the fans of other clubs will not be calling him a ra*pist? Of course they will. His name just like Brett's will still be remembered for this type of incident. The dogs players from Coffs Harbour were copping it for years from opposition fans and they ended up being innocent and that was even worse by the sounds of it as it involved quite a few of them.

All this new rule has done is emphasise it more. JDB will be remembered for this because he will be the first player to miss 2 years of footy. If JDB gets off I can see this stand down rule being thrown out and it will only have ever applied to him.

 

[Forbes Creek Dragons]

I don't know if this comment will be deleted. I am not commenting on the case.

But any young man needs to be told by his father that after having sex with a young lady, never, ever part from her on bad terms. A woman who has just had sex with a young man should not be offered $50 for an uber. She needs to hear "That was great, when can I see you again?" whether or not the young man intends to see her again. Ideally, there should be friendly post-coital banter via text.

It is well known that how a young woman feels about what happened may differ between when she goes to bed and when she wakes up - perhaps full of regret - the next morning. Young men need to fully understand this.

I get a feeling I know what you are thinking, and I’ll go no further than to say I tend to agree.

 

[Gardenia]

I have a feeling this whole court case is going to get even uglier. The prosecution hasn't had their chance yet to rip into the defendants. Their evidence hasn't as far as I can tell been presented as yet. I hope everyone has strong stomachs. Thank the lord I don't live in the area and had any possibility of being on that jury.

 

[possm]

I have a feeling this whole court case is going to get even uglier. The prosecution hasn't had their chance yet to rip into the defendants. Their evidence hasn't as far as I can tell been presented as yet. I hope everyone has strong stomachs. Thank the lord I don't live in the area and had any possibility of being on that jury.

There is still a lot of witnesses to be cross examined before De Belin takes the stand. I think De Belin will handle himself all right.