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Jamie Lyon + Reduced Fine

Gus22

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Lyon in limbo as Raiders debate move
By Steve Mascord
August 5, 2004


Errant Australian Test centre Jamie Lyon was yesterday offered to the Canberra Raiders.

After giving permission for Lyon to speak to Penrith, only for the Panthers to turn him down, Parramatta chief executive Denis Fitzgerald said last night the Eels would consider any approach from a club outside Sydney.

And Raiders chief executive Simon Hawkins confirmed Lyon's uncle, Mick Smith, had called to see if they would be interested.

"If living in the country is what he's keen on doing, Canberra's a fairly logical spot for him to be," Hawkins said.

"[But] we've got a bit of a salary cap issue for next year so it would be fairly difficult for us to do something ... we really haven't gone very far with it but we'd be happy to look at the possibilities that might arise."

Fitzgerald had allowed Smith to negotiate with Penrith on behalf of Lyon, while denying Manly the same opportunity.

Asked under what circumstances he would allow Lyon to talk to another club, Fitzgerald said: "Based on what he said about the reason for leaving us, I'd find it very difficult for him to go to another Sydney club."

Lyon told the Eels he didn't like city life and they were willing to let him negotiate with Penrith because of the "semi-rural" nature of the area.

Hawkins admitted: "I don't know what the real story is with Jamie, whether he is available to other clubs at all."

It is thought Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra would be acceptable to Parramatta if Lyon was going to live in Campbelltown or Wollongong.

Asked what he would do if Lyon suggested living somewhere like Wollongong, Fitzgerald said: "I'd at least listen to what Jamie had to say."

But he added at this stage that "we're not looking for anyone or considering anyone" to sign Lyon.

Newcastle chief executive Ken Conway said the Knights could not fit Lyon under their salary cap.

Manly were angered by Fitzgerald's decision to prevent them from talking to Lyon. Sea Eagles CEO Paul Cummings said yesterday he had spoken to NRL chief executive David Gallop about it. He said the club would not take legal action but stressed Manly could afford Lyon without breaching their salary cap.

Gallop said: "Because Jamie Lyon is under contract to Parramatta, they can impose any restrictions they wish on him playing. It is important for players and clubs to respect the sanctity of contracts."

Lyon's agent, Alan Gainey, said he was unconcerned that Smith was acting on his client's behalf.

"Jamie has instructed him to do something," Gainey said. "I'm still there but he's been doing that so you'll have to talk to his uncle. I think [Jamie's] got to get his head around things."

In other news, it is expected Wests Tigers will be given a reduction in their $15,000 fine for abuse of officials and boycotting a media conference at Canberra Stadium on July 3.

The club appealed against the fine and should learn their fate by the end of the week.


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I wonder if anyone at the club is even contemplating having Jamie Lyon on board. God I hope so, there seems there may be an opportunity here.
 

ozcrusader

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We have Paul Whatuira!

We don't need anyone else! :roll:

Seriously, we have Elford, Fitzy, Whatuira, Wilson etc - we have depth here.
 

jy

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lyon is all class and a matchwinner unlike those mentioned above. let graham, o'neill, seneter, mears et al go - get on our hands and knees and beg harry for some money and go after him. i was under the impression that we couldnt afford to spend all our cap therefore we must have room. come on harry - give us some money please
 

Gus22

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Lyon has been playing 5/8 with Wee Waa. Apart from Benji we are lacking quality in this position.

Also Lyon is a class above any centre we have now or next year.
 

ozcrusader

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Lyon is not a matchwinner.

He is a good player, and a rep player yes - and I would sign him if we didnt have Whatuira.

But we have depth in the centres - you can play anyone at centre.
We need a line breaking back rower and a powerful prop.

We have a half (Prince)
We have a 5.8th (Benji)
We have hookers (Mears/Farah)
We have a fullback (Hodgson)
We have one big winger (Richards)
We have a goalkicker (Hogdson)
We have one hard working prop (Skando)
We have a lock (Galea/Fulton)

We just need a decent second rower, a prop and some impact off the bench!
 

Wrighty79

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Gus22 said:
Lyon has been playing 5/8 with Wee Waa. Apart from Benji we are lacking quality in this position.
Also Lyon is a class above any centre we have now or next year.

Cause to make it as 5/8 in the NRL you have to be able to handle playing 5/8 for Wee Waa :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Gus22

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goangod said:
Lyon is not a matchwinner.

He is a good player, and a rep player yes - and I would sign him if we didnt have Whatuira.

But we have depth in the centres - you can play anyone at centre.
We need a line breaking back rower and a powerful prop.

We have a half (Prince)
We have a 5.8th (Benji)
We have hookers (Mears/Farah)
We have a fullback (Hodgson)
We have one big winger (Richards)
We have a goalkicker (Hogdson)
We have one hard working prop (Skando)
We have a lock (Galea/Fulton)

We just need a decent second rower, a prop and some impact off the bench!

We have a 5/8 in Benji, who is in his infancy as far as playing in the NRL goes. And what if his shoulder injury turns out to become chronic, with teams targeting him & running their big men at him.
In Lyon you have a player of undisputed class capable of playing a position we are weak in. Apparantly we are one of only a couple of clubs he would consider playing with, & the others can't fit him under their cap. It would be absolutely, monumentally stupid not to even explore the possibility.

Yes we need a 2nd rower & prop, but there is no-one available that is better than what we already have, we can do no more here.
 

Tap Twist Snap

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Move Elford out to the wing moodie is gone so we need somone to replace him.

1. Hodgson
2. Elford
3. Lyon
4. Whatuira
5. Richards

That backline would be good enough to scare plenty of teams.
 

Wrighty79

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I say if you're going to move Elford, move him even further from the wing, into the stands. It's the best place for him!
 

Gus22

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Wrighty79 said:
Gus22 said:
Lyon has been playing 5/8 with Wee Waa. Apart from Benji we are lacking quality in this position.
Also Lyon is a class above any centre we have now or next year.

Cause to make it as 5/8 in the NRL you have to be able to handle playing 5/8 for Wee Waa :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The point is that he can play 5/8. He has done so for Parramatta in the NRL.

Sorry that (the point) of this statement eluded you. I'll be sure to expand on every point I make from here on end so that you understand. Hell I'm even typing slower for you right now. If you are still unclear about anything let me know & I'll attach a picture or something.
 

Wrighty79

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Yeah, show me a picture of Lyon wearing the number 6 for Parramatta. If he has ever worn that jersey, I'll stand corrected.
 

Gus22

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Wrighty79 said:
Yeah, show me a picture of Lyon wearing the number 6 for Parramatta. If he has ever worn that jersey, I'll stand corrected.

No picture I'm afraid. And I couldn't be bothered looking through past match reports or team sheets to prove it to you. Even if he had never played 5/8 in the NRL (which he has), do you honestly think he dosen't have the attribute to make a success of it? He'd be a better 5/8 than anything we have now, with the possible exception of Benji.
 

Tigerpete

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I dont think the Tigers could even afford a play of Jamie's calibre anyways. Besides, Whatuira and Elford will be a great centre pairing next season and will do the job well.
 

Mighty Tiger

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Anyone saying that we shouldn't take a player of Lyon's class should have a long hard look at themselves!!!!!

He is a played of class, he is one of the best centres in the game and if a player of his class was to come knocking on our door of course we would try and gain his services

On top of this the Eels will only release him to a club based outside of sydney i.e Penrith, Wests Tigers, Dragons and Raiders and well out of those 4 sides only us and the Raiders are under the cap and do have room to move.


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goangod said:
Lyon is not a matchwinner.
He is a good player, and a rep player yes - and I would sign him if we didnt have Whatuira.
But we have depth in the centres - you can play anyone at centre.
We need a line breaking back rower and a powerful prop.

He is more of a match winner than the centres we currently and will have for next year, he is a class above all the players we have in the backline at the moment

Yes we have Depth in the centres but do we have NRL top flight quality ??? NO!!!

Jamie Lyon fits into that bracket!

goangod said:
We just need a decent second rower, a prop and some impact off the bench!

Yes we need those players but if a player of his class knocked on our door no way should we turn him away!!!

Do you think if a top line centre was added to our side that we would have a higher or lesser chance of signing key junior players let alone Benji!!!!

At the end of the day we can't approach him he would need to approach us and well that we will have to wait and see if it happens but if it does I know we won't be saying no thanks we don't need you because we have Elford, Wilson and Fitzy ;-)
 

Mighty Tiger

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Tigerpete said:
I dont think the Tigers could even afford a play of Jamie's calibre anyways. Besides, Whatuira and Elford will be a great centre pairing next season and will do the job well.

I guess it depends on what Benji decides to do - if he wasn't to accept an upgraded contract we would have money to pay Lyon - sure it wouldn't be $300-$400k but it wouldn't be $50k either, I suppose the key would be how much would Jamie really wants to play in the NRL again.
 

Tigerpete

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True, it would come down to where Jaimie would best fit but if it was to come down to a bidding war a side like Canberra would start favs for sure. Still out of all this im laughing at the treatment Manly are copping here. :lol: :lol:
 

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