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News Jarryd Hayne convicted of aggravated sexual assault

Kilkenny

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Since I used the words, "seems apparent", "appears", and the phrase "I'd like to know how the jury came to the decision", don't you think I'm aware of the possibility that there may be some kind of other evidence that the jury was privy to, that I'm not aware of?

I literally said that I'd like to know what the jury saw that made them reach there conclusion. Dummy.



Very confidently states that there was "significant" corroborating evidence, and that I missed the "significant" corroborating evidence, yet does not present said "significant" corroborating evidence when questioned. Good one.

It’s probably in your best interests to back of a little given your predisposed to Jarryd Haynes innocence.

I’m a little older and sexual activity has evolved somewhat in recent generations particularly given ‘porn’ is so freely available.

Even allowing for my age and conservative sexual views I’m not sure the injuries sustained by the victim in this current case are consistent with consensual sexual activity. The injuries sustained is strong evidence the perpetrator was indifferent at the very least as to whether there was consent to the sexual intercourse, his intoxication, actions around the whole information provided to his driver, post event recorded conversations and not least the sworn testimony of the alleged victim persuaded a jury of 12 men and women as to his guilt. Fair play to the victim, she was a victim and her courage and strength is to be commended as opposed to your view she was a women scorned.
 

Gardenia

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It’s probably in your best interests to back of a little given your predisposed to Jarryd Haynes innocence.

I’m a little older and sexual activity has evolved somewhat in recent generations particularly given ‘porn’ is so freely available.

Even allowing for my age and conservative sexual views I’m not sure the injuries sustained by the victim in this current case are consistent with consensual sexual activity. The injuries sustained is strong evidence the perpetrator was indifferent at the very least as to whether there was consent to the sexual intercourse, his intoxication, actions around the whole information provided to his driver, post event recorded conversations and not least the sworn testimony of the alleged victim persuaded a jury of 12 men and women as to his guilt. Fair play to the victim, she was a victim and her courage and strength is to be commended as opposed to your view she was a women scorned.

I read that injuries, particularly to genitals, are an aggravating factor for the jury in sexual assault cases . For this reason I thought at the start he may not get the result he was hoping for in this case.
 

undertaker

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Something that's confusing about the case....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-victim-gives-details-daughters-injuries.html

Apparently, the girl's mother was also in the house at the same time this alleged incident occurred. Often wonder how Hayne would've been able to get away with doing this "forcibly", and that her mother supposedly never heard any of this:

She said Hayne tried to kiss her and she said no before he pushed her head into the pillow, pulled her pants off and attacked her, ignoring her pleas to stop.
 

undertaker

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So the first jury couldn’t come to some agreement, so the second trail he was found guilty. Was there differences to the evidence that was shown in the first trail, so what was the make up of the jury members? How could one group get it so wrong and the other so right. I think it’s about time we should do away with jury trails the legal jargon will definitely go over my head.
Good question
 

fourplay

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It’s probably in your best interests to back of a little given your predisposed to Jarryd Haynes innocence.

I’m a little older and sexual activity has evolved somewhat in recent generations particularly given ‘porn’ is so freely available.

Even allowing for my age and conservative sexual views I’m not sure the injuries sustained by the victim in this current case are consistent with consensual sexual activity. The injuries sustained is strong evidence the perpetrator was indifferent at the very least as to whether there was consent to the sexual intercourse, his intoxication, actions around the whole information provided to his driver, post event recorded conversations and not least the sworn testimony of the alleged victim persuaded a jury of 12 men and women as to his guilt. Fair play to the victim, she was a victim and her courage and strength is to be commended as opposed to your view she was a women scorned.

You're not sure? I thought you were convinced beyond reasonable doubt.... ;)

It's okay, we just have different opinions based on the evidence that has been made public. Different opinions much like the jurors did in the first trial. Sure, I have biases too, no doubt about it, we all do, hence one of the major flaws in our legal system.

Bullshit.

You’re accusing her of making false allegations, and accusing the jury of making a decision after being influenced by a social media movement, based on the limited information that you’ve read in a newspaper.

I was trying to be polite by asking if you’d considered the possibility that they had more information than you do.

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Lmao. How dramatic. :joy:

Do you think lengthy and tedious juror selection processes exist around the world just for fun? Or have you considered that it is because jurors, believe it or not, actually do get influenced from a whole range of sources, including social media.
 
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SBD82

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@fourplay
@T-Boon

Hayne has been found guilty after the case has been through exhaustive checks and balances in our legal system that are designed to ensure that innocent people are not found guilty,

But you don’t believe it. And that has nothing to do with your exposure to the culture wars on social media, and everything to do with the influence that social media has had on 12 independent Jurors, who have been heavily scrutinised during the selection process for the jury.

Seriously?
 

Kilkenny

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Do you truly believe what you have written?

I truly hope you never have a daughter who may be the victim of any crime, never mind a sexual assault.

The ‘victim’ should be the one in trial am I reading you correctly or have I missed something here.

In case you are so dumb, I suspect you are given what you have posted, the alleged victim exposes herself to the most rigorous torture of cross examination from highly skilled highly paid barristers for what benefit other than justice.

It largely doesn’t matter what a bonehead like you thinks, or me for that matter, the jury of 12 men and women formed a conclusion on the available evidence presented to them Hayne was guilty of certain offences.

Yes Jarryd should be sent straight to the slammer, even though he wasn’t, given he was granted bail pending sentence.

I am truly astonished anyone could form a view that it is the alleged victim should be on trial in situations such as these.
 
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T-Boon

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Do you truly believe what you have written?

I truly hope you never have a daughter who may be the victim of any crime, never mind a sexual assault.

The ‘victim’ should be the one in trial am I reading you correctly or have I missed something here.

In case you are so dumb, I suspect you are given what you have posted, the alleged victim exposes herself to the most rigorous torture of cross examination from highly skilled highly paid barristers for what benefit other than justice.

It largely doesn’t matter what a bonehead like you thinks, or me for that matter, the jury of 12 men and women formed a conclusion on the available evidence presented to them Hayne was guilty of certain offences.

Yes Jarryd should be sent straight to the slammer, even though he wasn’t, given he was granted bail pending sentence.

I am truly astonished anyone could form a view that it is the alleged victim should be on trial in situations such as these.

What? You have been drinking since St Patricks day.
 

Kilkenny

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There is clearly some on here who have a predisposition to believe in the innocence of Jarryd Hayne and that’s fine and dandy I guess.

At the same time the suggestions around the victims motives or agendas or being a scorned women are rather offensive on the basis of all the information available to the public, not to mention the 12 jury members who had access to all of the evidence.

The Jarryd Hayne Civil Matter in the USA is rather interesting, not dissimilar scenario, which he chose to settle out of court. While obviously none of what he was alleged to have done in SF was admissible evidence in the current proceedings it remains rather compelling in the court of public opinion.

At the end of the day, 12 ordinary members of our society very persuaded by the available evidence during criminal trial proceedings to find Jarryd Hayne guilty of certain charges and despite all of that some choose to come on here and want to question the integrity of the victim. As a society we really aren’t in a great place at present, sadly.
 

Kilkenny

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You're not sure? I thought you were convinced beyond reasonable doubt.... ;)

It's okay, we just have different opinions based on the evidence that has been made public. Different opinions much like the jurors did in the first trial. Sure, I have biases too, no doubt about it, we all do, hence one of the major flaws in our legal system.



Lmao. How dramatic. :joy:

Do you think lengthy and tedious juror selection processes exist around the world just for fun? Or have you considered that it is because jurors, believe it or not, actually do get influenced from a whole range of sources, including social media.

I see you have 44 likes in over 2000 posts, there is probably a reason for that. You are an absolute moron.
 

T-Boon

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Hayne fronted the media and said he was telling the truth, while she is hiding from the media and will not answer the media's questions. I find that very suspicious.
 

Kilkenny

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Hayne fronted the media and said he was telling the truth, while she is hiding from the media and will not answer the media's questions. I find that very suspicious.

Wow you just get better and better.

I couldn’t go to the Melbourne Comedy Festival this year, turns out I didn’t need you are comedic gold.
 
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