Jdb case

[Glenn012]

Might be off topic but not that long ago there was a college player in the states that was virtually going to play in the NFL.
A girl accused him of rape and he was jailed. The girl got one million from the college, she went on to blow the lot and then came forward and said she was not raped.
The player was released from jail but his football career was gone. One club signed him for one year and the player was happy to have been given a chance to play with the big boys.
I am not trying to say that this could have happened with JDB, it’s just an example of how high profile players can be taken advantage of.
If this post is not seen to be relevant I would ask the mods to delete it

And in this case, the guy was obviously tried and found guilty even if mistakenly. THE NRL don't even want to give that chance before suspending! It's extremely audacious and tyrannical on their behalf. But this is a good reflection of how gambling syndicates or organized crime could, and if it stands, will no doubt try take advantage of it. Let's say we are playing Storm in a big game. 5 days before the game, someone comes forward with a credible story, a witness and some circumstantial evidence to say Munster raped her.

Without Munster those scum bags have no chance against us! Our odds would shorten dramatically and whoever got in to make bets, from anywhere in the world these days, before the news broke would stand to make a fortune.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

I have refrained from making comments about this and I cant decide what rights or whose rights should be respected over others.

1. I am not happy about JDB's actions whether he is guilty or innocent and would be OK with the club moving him on (regardless of how good a player he may be).
2. I think the media have influenced his case and reputation regardless of his innocence or guilt.
3. Individual clubs should not be commenting on the case.
4. Beattie and Greenburg in my opinion should be sacked for incompetence.
5. If JDB is guilty I hope they throw the book at him.
6. If a player is innocent it seems unfair that their career would effectively be terminated by the new stand down policy.
7. The assumptions and conclusions made by some people, who do not have any real knowledge of the events range from naive to outright disgusting.
8. The degree of blatant hypocrisy shown by some of the people within the game is disappointing at the least.
9. The situation with JDB's employment is not on all fours with most other employment situations.
10. I believe there is the spectre of false or unreasonable stand downs given this new policy and dont like the idea of the NRL acting as if they are a legal body. You can call it a No Fault policy but the name is irrelevant, it implies fault simply by the fact it is initiated when someone is charged.
11. There is a girl in the centre of this who, if JDB is guilty, also has the right for her grievance to be fairly heard and treated with respect.

I hope that for JDB - he is innocent.
There is already far too much commentary about this situation and you have to wonder whether it would even make the papers if De Belin was a reserve grader.
I totally agree with point 2.

 

[Glenn012]

Me personally I think the club is still caught in the mindset of owing the NRL money.

When we owed them money we towed the company line and that continues.

We need to move forward debt payed we owe them nothing.

One thing I'm happy about is the possibility the club has to sue the NRL for damages in the event our persecuted hero is found not-guilty, which I believe he will be. there would certainly be a case if the head office is brave and ruthless enough to pursue it. Melbourne or Rorters almost certainly would IMO.

 

[merahputih]

I hope that for JDB - he is innocent.
There is already far too much commentary about this situation and you have to wonder whether it would even make the papers if De Belin was a reserve grader.
I totally agree with point 2.

His co accused is hardly mentioned, if at all since the beginning. A lot of people wouldn't know his name which I'm sure his family is grateful for.

 

[Dr Fruitbasket Returns]

And in this case, the guy was obviously tried and found guilty even if mistakenly. THE NRL don't even want to give that chance before suspending! It's extremely audacious and tyrannical on their behalf. But this is a good reflection of how gambling syndicates or organized crime could, and if it stands, will no doubt try take advantage of it. Let's say we are playing Storm in a big game. 5 days before the game, someone comes forward with a credible story, a witness and some circumstantial evidence to say Munster raped her.

Without Munster those scum bags have no chance against us! Our odds would shorten dramatically and whoever got in to make bets, from anywhere in the world these days, before the news broke would stand to make a fortune.

Dude, that scenario's possible, but the odds of it happening and the perpetrators pulling it off is vanishingly small. Every piece of research into actual false and frivolous rape claims indicates they're incredibly rare.

 

[RufusRex]

more chance the perps just belting the player across the knee

 

[RufusRex]

Such paranoia ...

 

[randomdragon]

What the hell are the courts waiting for??? It’s been 2 weeks now with no word???

 

[RufusRex]

What the hell are the courts waiting for??? It’s been 2 weeks now with no word???

informed/considered decision making?

 

[RufusRex]

If a teacher, policeman, lawyer, nurse was charged with rape but he pleaded not guilty and adamantly, uncompromisingly claimed innocence, he would be immediately stood down??? Really? Well then in the 30-40% of cases where the accused is found not guilty, there are going to be a lot of lawsuits against law firms, schools, the police and etc.
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I do know a law passed in South Australia last year dictating exactly this.
Teachers can not only be stood down but also de-registered if charged (not convicted).

This is not an uncommon scenario ... the real issue is retrospective nature with respect to JDB.

There are instances i know of in NSW as well with Teachers removed from the classroom and placed on admin duties even prior to charge but whilst investigations are going on.


Often the risk to the individual involved (the teacher or Jack in our case) is deemed to be worth standing them down ...

None of this has any bearing on guilt/innocence.

 

[Glenn012]

I do know a law passed in South Australia last year dictating exactly this.
Teachers can not only be stood down but also de-registered if charged (not convicted).

This is not an uncommon scenario ... the real issue is retrospective nature with respect to JDB.

There are instances i know of in NSW as well with Teachers removed from the classroom and placed on admin duties even prior to charge but whilst investigations are going on.


Often the risk to the individual involved (the teacher or Jack in our case) is deemed to be worth standing them down ...

None of this has any bearing on guilt/innocence.

That makes sense. And as soon as the first teacher is charged, and subsequently cleared, the school or government (in the event of a state school) should justifiably prepare to be sued.

If the teacher is stood down on full pay it may be different but that isn't applicable to JDB and his professional career as a RL player.

 

[RufusRex]

well it is ... You just have to equate selection for higher honors with Jack with promotion to higher positions within a school ie head teacher/deputy. Sure a teacher may have greater opportunity to get a career back on track but the stigma would still stay with them ...

Those opportunities are lost to a teacher suspended on pay the same way that Jack is denied those opporutnities for higher honor but still paid his base rate.

perhaps the world was better off when shit was allowed to happen ...

litigation may line Jacks pockets but someone is still ultimately paying for it ...

 

[Glenn012]

well it is ... You just have to equate selection for higher honors with Jack with promotion to higher positions within a school ie head teacher/deputy. Sure a teacher may have greater opportunity to get a career back on track but the stigma would still stay with them ...

Those opportunities are lost to a teacher suspended on pay the same way that Jack is denied those opporutnities for higher honor but still paid his base rate.

perhaps the world was better off when shit was allowed to happen ...

litigation may line Jacks pockets but someone is still ultimately paying for it ...

No it isn't and to suggest it is, is absurd for reasons that have been alluded to at least 10 times in this thread. And that doesn't even get into the disadvantage the team and club faces in such a strictly supervised professional competition with a small number of rivals. It's so audacious that I'm afraid a number of administrators have lost their grubby little minds. If our persecuted hero is found not guilty, there is already going to be hell to pay even if he is allowed to play in the meantime.

Though I'm interested in what you mean by the following. Could you elaborate?

perhaps the world was better off when shit was allowed to happen ...

When what kind if shit was allowed to happen?

litigation may line Jacks pockets but someone is still ultimately paying for it ...

Good point. At least several of the administrators can be personally held to account so as to prevent such an injustice happening again. And the governing body will have to make cutbacks or foist the bill onto all the clubs.

 

[snogard6]

well it is ... You just have to equate selection for higher honors with Jack with promotion to higher positions within a school ie head teacher/deputy. Sure a teacher may have greater opportunity to get a career back on track but the stigma would still stay with them ...

Those opportunities are lost to a teacher suspended on pay the same way that Jack is denied those opporutnities for higher honor but still paid his base rate.

perhaps the world was better off when shit was allowed to happen ...

litigation may line Jacks pockets but someone is still ultimately paying for it ...

A teacher doesn’t have a year to year contract, and they also have the ability to teach well past their mid 30s

 

[Saints Forever]

What the hell are the courts waiting for??? It’s been 2 weeks now with no word???

I was once involved in a Supreme Court matter where the judge took 11 months to deliver his judgment.

Shortly after the judgment was delivered, the other side appealed.

The whole matter took 2 1/2 years to be finalised from the date the proceedings were started.

 

[The Damo]

A teacher doesn’t have a year to year contract, and they also have the ability to teach well past their mid 30s

Many teachers do have shorter term and temporary contracts. A teacher also doesn’t earn 550 grand a year.
And both teachers and rugby league players can move into other careers.

 

[The Damo]

No it isn't and to suggest it is, is absurd for reasons that have been alluded to at least 10 times in this thread. And that doesn't even get into the disadvantage the team and club faces in such a strictly supervised professional competition with a small number of rivals. It's so audacious that I'm afraid a number of administrators have lost their grubby little minds. If our persecuted hero is found not guilty, there is already going to be hell to pay even if he is allowed to play in the meantime.

Though I'm interested in what you mean by the following. Could you elaborate?

When what kind if shit was allowed to happen?


Good point. At least several of the administrators can be personally held to account so as to prevent such an injustice happening again. And the governing body will have to make cutbacks or foist the bill onto all the clubs.

You genuinely have no idea how stuff actually works do you? I suggest going to the library and reading some books. A high school level textbook on legal studies and commerce would be a good start. Oh and stop getting your info from numbskulls on reddit and YouTube.

 

[Glenn012]

You genuinely have no idea how stuff actually works do you? I suggest going to the library and reading some books. A high school level textbook on legal studies and commerce would be a good start. Oh and stop getting your info from numbskulls on reddit and YouTube.

You seem to be trying really hard to get a reaction out of me. I have no interest in what you say. I don't read it. You are a dog barking at the moon. Woof woof doggy. That is the extent of the reaction you can gain from me.

 

[The Damo]

You seem to be trying really hard to get a reaction out of me. I have no interest in what you say. I don't read it. You are a dog barking at the moon. Woof woof doggy. That is the extent of the reaction you can gain from me.

Bark bark. Weird how you’re aggressively rude to others, then don’t want to interact when you’ll get asked for evidence. Bark.

 

[Old Timer]

Bark bark. Weird how you’re aggressively rude to others, then don’t want to interact when you’ll get asked for evidence. Bark.

He is s dick if the 1st order and not worthy iof the sage advice you offer
I find it objectionable how he now refers to JDB as our “persecuted hero” but it is an indication of how screwed up his view is of this tragic and messy saga.