JDB

[I'm Hornby]

300k?? That’s honestly fkd. We would be paying Klemmer and guler more than that for half the output.
Disgusting

It probably would've made him the lowest paid forward in the side besides some of the kids who have been upgraded and maybe even then!

 

[Maximus]

Listening to Paul Kent on any topic is embarrassing.

 

[since77]

Listen to the Kenty podcast - apparently JDB (who is on paltry 300K this season) was blindsided by Haran and Flanagan. JDB was in tears as he thought and wanted to be a one team player.
Honestly 300K for JDB is the best deal in the game! Ignoring age - his playing value is more like $700K - $800K.
Even Kenty was dumbfounded.

Kent is in a permanent state of being dumbfounded. Still recovering from his scuffle with the tree. And the worst of the worst of the tabloid muckrakers, worse than Weidler even. I don’t believe the way that story is being spun at all.
The club made a business decision - and there’s arguments for and against keeping JDB - and that’s all there is to it.
As for all the moaning on this thread - check out in various places what Parra fans think of this “marquee” signing - a large percentage of them are not happy at all with it.

 

[Maximus]

Kent is in a permanent state of being dumbfounded. Still recovering from his scuffle with the tree. And the worst of the worst of the tabloid muckrakers, worse than Weidler even. I don’t believe the way that story is being spun at all.
The club made a business decision - and there’s arguments for and against keeping JDB - and that’s all there is to it.
As for all the moaning on this thread - check out in various places what Parra fans think of this “marquee” signing - a large percentage of them are not happy at all with it.

You know that if we re-signed him, the same posters would have the exact opposite opinion. They'd all be complaining that we re-signed the old guy, the stories would be that he was on 600k not 300k.

 

[Lovemedragons]

If JDB is really only on $300k a season with us then I am no longer unhappy he is going, we deserve every ars splinter we get from the wooden spoon (s) that are coming our way.

 

[True_Believer]

How would people feel if he came out and announced retirement instead? Would people be up in arms then? I mean sure, the guy has been playing well, but I can also understand the club wanting to move away from a 35yr old forward. I don't think the issue is letting go of JDB, it's understanding what the team looks like going forward. We are blooding a lot of young players which is fantastic, but recruitment for upcoming years is a non-event and that is a major concern.

 

[True_Believer]

Kent is in a permanent state of being dumbfounded. Still recovering from his scuffle with the tree. And the worst of the worst of the tabloid muckrakers, worse than Weidler even. I don’t believe the way that story is being spun at all.
The club made a business decision - and there’s arguments for and against keeping JDB - and that’s all there is to it.
As for all the moaning on this thread - check out in various places what Parra fans think of this “marquee” signing - a large percentage of them are not happy at all with it.

Yep. Based on what I've seen, a lot of Parra fans aren't happy at all about this signing.

Also, who cares whether we paid him $300k and are letting him go @ 35? The club stood by him during those years with the court case which cost us money, reputation and progress. That period of time set the club back years. I think the club has earnt the right to make a decision they believe is for the good of the club going forward.

 

[Dragon David]

I agree with you in regards to it gets harder to continue supporting the club ...
That being said, I wouldn't put Jack in the same basket as Morris etc.

The Club stood by Jack a few years ago when he was stood down.
It would have been Great for him to remain a one club player, but not at the expense of the young guys coming through .
He is 34 years old....we keep him and lose one of the younger players and everybody is up in arms.

The biggest problem is the people who have been around for ages and seemingly serving their own self interests.
The club needs a broom put through it at Board level....We have all been saying this for years.

Unfortunately, I just cannot see it happening... We will continue to just be making up the numbers...zero ambition ...it is really quite sad....rinse spin repeat year after year since Bennett left.

I unfortunately have lost the passion...the club has killed it for me....

Just not worth the angst it brings.... very little satisfaction watching games anymore....

We the supporters pay for memberships...they have offered us little over the last 12 years....

Price , McGregor coach for 7 &1/2 years ...Griffin...an absolute joke....

And we all know when Flanno is gone...Dean Young will be the man.

The ship on which the great SGI Dragon sits had its glory days during Bennett's management of our teams in 2009-2011 and since then that ship has started its slow sinking movement down into the unknown. It's a decline like something aging through lack of maintenance and servicing and unless we have the ship to have a major overhaul, it will continue to sink lower into the depths of despair. Not a pretty picture to put into ones mind because we have always held our beloved Dragons to be of the highest and best rugby league club in the world - not now unfortunately and the way you are feeling now getsmarty, that is the way I have been especially this year.

Still we have got to live in hope that the tide will turn for the better and the Dragons ship gets to sail along with pride again on top of the surface.

 

[Dragon David]

LPT
Stewart
Couchman T
Couchman R
Egan

all emerging middles

Guler middle
Sele middle
Klem staying on for minimal $
Hopefully fighting for Kobe Hetherington middle

sort of makes sense to grab another genuine edge player to replace Luc and the other 7 fight for the middle rotation

Egan has been described a few times by Flanno as a Lock and he ended up a significant % defending in the middle in his NRL games this season

Garner though can play centre and edge second row and is pretty solid

Garner can also play lock Auntie -

About

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Luke Garner is an Australian professional rugby league footballer who plays as a second-row forward for the Penrith Panthers in the National Rugby League. Wikipedia
Born: 6 September 1995 (age 29 years), Gold Coast
Position: Second-row, Lock, Centre

He could be a good addition to our squad after having played under Ivan Cleary's tutelage.

 

[Gazzamataz]

I can't understand why we would be letting go him go. He has been our most consistent forward over this season and last. He is the only one who moves up in defence. He tackles like a demon. He runs good lines back in behind the play the ball and then plays the ball quick. Runs that get us on the front foot (unlike any other forward, Liddle aside. He leads the team song. The younger blokes clearly look at him as a leader (you only have to see their faces in the sheds when they sing the team song). He costs us next to nothing. He only wanted another year. There are no better players on the market. He's way better than Klemmer, Guler and Lawrie combined. He's still fresh due to the 2 years off. We need an experienced head who believes in the Dragons, leading our young guys over the next 12 months. He ticks that box as well. Can't wait to hear the thinking around this move. Also, why are we looking at Luke Garner when we have Nick Tsougranis? Unbelievable...

 

[KingFlanno7]

Garner can also play lock Auntie -

About

Description​

Luke Garner is an Australian professional rugby league footballer who plays as a second-row forward for the Penrith Panthers in the National Rugby League. Wikipedia
Born: 6 September 1995 (age 29 years), Gold Coast
Position: Second-row, Lock, Centre

He could be a good addition to our squad after having played under Ivan Cleary's tutelage.

Luke garner - 91.2 tackle efficiency 240 tackles, 87 AVG run metres.

Debelin 96.3 tackle efficiency 443 tackles, 110 AVG run metres.

Debelin outperforms garner in every way even at his age. Terrible decision if we sign Garner honestly.

 

[I'm Hornby]

Luke garner - 91.2 tackle efficiency 240 tackles, 87 AVG run metres.

Debelin 96.3 tackle efficiency 443 tackles, 110 AVG run metres.

Debelin outperforms garner in every way even at his age. Terrible decision if we sign Garner honestly.

Well said mate, now just wait for the stats don't tell the whole story arguments to come rolling in

 

[Draginzaaar]

If JDB is really only on $300k a season with us then I am no longer unhappy he is going, we deserve every ars splinter we get from the wooden spoon (s) that are coming our way.

Not while the Titans are in the comp.

 

[John moz]

It's been a issue with JD not getting co captain . Why did Cook before JD after all the years being a loyal Dragon.

 

[possm]

It probably would've made him the lowest paid forward in the side besides some of the kids who have been upgraded and maybe even then!

Hee would've been receiving double that money. That is what is applied to the Dragon's salary cap, not what De Belin receives.

From another point of view, De Belin owes the Dragons a great deal, given the Clubs support during his 'Stand Down' period.

 

[John moz]

To be told JD would be signed for 1 more year is a disgrace. Then last Friday called into flanno office with Haran to be told your not wanted is a poor form again from Haran needs to be removed from the club .

 

[Jim Dragons]

I mean, if this means players like Halangahu get a run now, I'm all for this. But if we replace him with a plodder..than it probably doesn't make sense.

Agree with your sediments BUT through no fault of his own - JDB is part of our problem. While he plays his guts out Jack is a small rotating prop while Stewart is in the 13 next season. Our problem upfront is that we need to swap out small props for game managing props. Stewart has the potential to be a "Carrigan type" for us... and his progress really has meant calling time on JDB. I hate seeing it as well but that is professional sport.
Halangahu has received "Fifita" comparisons. If we had signed Carrigan AND Fifita for next season would we all be happy? We may have just produced our own (at a fraction of the cost) and while a lot of us here have been calling for Flanagan to join every other coach who had no clue - or so we thought.
Isn't it about time that we joined the likes of the Knights supporters and actually cheered for our team rather than just bitching about why we think that we are so stuffed.
Let's just enjoy OUR team before it isn't there... Lets NOT try to be the first one to predict that the team will die a slow and painful death.... because that horse has well and truly bolted.
I am not trying to tell everyone that they can't be a doomsayer - l am just frustrated by the constant arguing about how stuffed we really are. l guess l am just inviting the "Real Believers" to believe. Lets raise our voice and cheer home those Mighty Red and Whites. Penrith were running last 4 weeks ago. Years ago were a laughing stock of the league. for the past 5 years they are standard. Their success came from hard work on pathways and keeping as many good ones that wanted to be part of the solution. And don't forget that the panthers watched Katoa walk to Bennett and the Dolphins.
In the background I can see that the club has worked on our pathways - the revolution may be happening !!! And yes we may lose a Latu Finua... l still think Katoa is a bigger loss and it didn't hurt Penrith.

 

[maestro1]

Listen to the Kenty podcast - apparently JDB (who is on paltry 300K this season) was blindsided by Haran and Flanagan. JDB was in tears as he thought and wanted to be a one team player.
Honestly 300K for JDB is the best deal in the game! Ignoring age - his playing value is more like $700K - $800K.
Even Kenty was dumbfounded.

The Board decided that JDB was NOT going to be surpassing Ben Hornby as the most capped JV player. That is why he wasn't resigned.

 

[KingFlanno7]

Agree with your sediments BUT through no fault of his own - JDB is part of our problem. While he plays his guts out Jack is a small rotating prop while Stewart is in the 13 next season. Our problem upfront is that we need to swap out small props for game managing props. Stewart has the potential to be a "Carrigan type" for us... and his progress really has meant calling time on JDB. I hate seeing it as well but that is professional sport.
Halangahu has received "Fifita" comparisons. If we had signed Carrigan AND Fifita for next season would we all be happy? We may have just produced our own (at a fraction of the cost) and while a lot of us here have been calling for Flanagan to join every other coach who had no clue - or so we thought.
Isn't it about time that we joined the likes of the Knights supporters and actually cheered for our team rather than just bitching about why we think that we are so stuffed.
Let's just enjoy OUR team before it isn't there... Lets NOT try to be the first one to predict that the team will die a slow and painful death.... because that horse has well and truly bolted.
I am not trying to tell everyone that they can't be a doomsayer - l am just frustrated by the constant arguing about how stuffed we really are. l guess l am just inviting the "Real Believers" to believe. Lets raise our voice and cheer home those Mighty Red and Whites. Penrith were running last 4 weeks ago. Years ago were a laughing stock of the league. for the past 5 years they are standard. Their success came from hard work on pathways and keeping as many good ones that wanted to be part of the solution. And don't forget that the panthers watched Katoa walk to Bennett and the Dolphins.
In the background I can see that the club has worked on our pathways - the revolution may be happening !!! And yes we may lose a Latu Finua... l still think Katoa is a bigger loss and it didn't hurt Penrith.

Part of our problem my ass. He is our best forward, Flanno is the problem and being a new account it doesn't suprise me that your trying to spin it in a good way. Go back to your alternate accounts and let the three amigos enjoy the forum in peace. (Joined in 2014.. and only 90 post you aren't fooling anyone) ‍

 

[Willow]

Luke garner - 91.2 tackle efficiency 240 tackles, 87 AVG run metres.

Debelin 96.3 tackle efficiency 443 tackles, 110 AVG run metres.

Debelin outperforms garner in every way even at his age. Terrible decision if we sign Garner honestly.

Can you provide a website link to those stats? ie to verify and credit the source.