Joe Williams

[110kgpantherpower]

r.williams to fullback over wesser j.williams to 5/8th

 

[Bob]

Sammut kicked ok the other night, but he had trouble detting distance and height on some kicks and we had a very poor chase based on the back of those kicks. I;d like to see either joey or richie williams in the halves for their kicking games.

Kicked a GREAT 40/20 didn't he. A little more practice with Brandy and he might become a very good kicker. As for Joe Williams No Thanks.

 

[mxlegend99]

r.williams to fullback over wesser j.williams to 5/8th

Richie Williams at fullback? WTF?

He cost us the game against the Raiders last year when he played fullback. He is a crap fullback.

 

[*Sandy*]

Kicked a GREAT 40/20 didn't he. A little more practice with Brandy and he might become a very good kicker. As for Joe Williams No Thanks.

Agree.

Those chip kicks and chases he was putting on I thought were pretty good too. Practice makes perfect.

 

[Fibroman]

I'm sorry. I have to disagree.

To me, Sammut kicking is like having a great player on the wing than runs the 100m in 15 seconds. Sammut simply doesn't get enough power behind the kicks to make a quality long kicker. 1 x 40/20 doesn't make you a good kicker.

It's easier to get a 9 iron on the green than a 3 wood. Sammut placed his long kicks ok, but because he didn't get enough height or hang time on the kicks, it didn't give our chasers enough time to get to the opposition receiver.

Canberra's first try was in part because of a shocking missed tackle by Rooney, but also in part because the chasers didn't get there in time.

 

[Satsok]

at the beginning of the season, i thought id see the headline "Williams Twins On Fire"

i honestly thought ud give them a decent crack at the halves, considering you got nothing at the moment..

sammut i will agree has some potential, but he is rough around the edges, give him a try next year!!

 

[Dave Q]

at the beginning of the season, i thought id see the headline "Williams Twins On Fire"

i honestly thought ud give them a decent crack at the halves, considering you got nothing at the moment..

sammut i will agree has some potential, but he is rough around the edges, give him a try next year!!

No, I disagree, Sammut has been living up to his promise.

What I like the most about him is his elusiveness, he always seems to be looking for an opportunity. That makes him very dangerous.

Right now he's the most exciting Panther to watch play footy.

In fact I think he could teach a few things to more senior players.

I'm on the ceiling already about this weeks game. I just cant wait.

 

[Magpie Nick]

IMO Souths did well when joe Williams was at five-eight.

That way it took the pressure of playmaking off his shoulders and he had space to move..

IMO Joe Williams isn't a leader or a talker, he needs to be at five-eight.

6. Joe Williams
7. Jarrod Sammut

That is what i'd like to try, with Williams and Sammut kicking options and Williams not having the pressure of being primary playmaker. I think that is best.

Williams did probably play his best last year when he was wearing the 6 at Souths but he was still playing more first receiver and an actual Halfback's game than Jeremy Smith (partly because Smith is crap and partly because Williams is a Halfback and he had a Forward Pack).

Williams might not be the greatest organiser ever but he still pushed Souths around well when their Forwards were playing well. With a Hooker like Priddis who could and, with Williams and Sammut in the Halves, probably should be taking a more organising role.

Give Williams a gauranteed stint in Firsts and stick a rocket up the Forwards' arse and Penrith will produce (provided that people like Blair and Lewis are played in the positions they've best performed in).

 

[Big Mick]

IMO our best squad is this:

1. Jennings, 2. Lewis, 3. Gordon, 4. Blair, 5. Rooney, 6. J.Williams, 7. Sammut, 8. T.Puletua, 9. Priddis, 10. Civoniceiva, 11. Pritchard, 12. Waterhouse, 13. Paulo
14. Woolnough, 15. Bell, 16. Moors, 17. Iosefa

Great back three, solid centres, creative but defensively unsound halves, and a ball playing lock in the mould of Feleti Mateo. Iosefa adds impact off the bench.

Bell and Moors allows for a mobile big man to replace anyone in the pack.

 

[110kgpantherpower]

Richie Williams at fullback? WTF?

He cost us the game against the Raiders last year when he played fullback. He is a crap fullback.

And wesser is doing so much better????

But hey lets single out williams at fullback based on one game and keep in wesser who has been pathetic in his last what 60 games great idead buddy.

Hell even though i dont like the idea id sooner big micks idea of jennings at fullback then wesser.

Hell id play fullback myself i think anyone would be better then wesser at the moment.

And correct me if im worng mick but wasnt it richy williams at fullbck for windsor and joe in the halves.

Does anyone want to know how they went haha.

 

[The Rhino]

Canberra's first try was in part because of a shocking missed tackle by Rooney, but also in part because the chasers didn't get there in time.

That's your opinion but its also bullsh*t, Fibro - Canberra's first try came about simply because 2 blokes, Rooney and TIGHE didn't number up properly, they left a gap the size of the grand canyon and the canberra bloke took it, it had nothing to do with Sammut's kick. Sammut's kicking game I thought was quite good, a few chip kicks, a massive 40-20 (must have some power to kick one of those regardless), a kick that resulted in a disallowed try for us - a hell of a lot better then J. Williams kicking game: STRAIGHT DOWN THE THROAT of the opposition fullback from the Brisbane game!!!

 

[110kgpantherpower]

Ha ha you tell him rhino lol.

Agree that sammuts kicking game is better then williams however id love to see them be the halves pair.

 

[Big Mick]

And correct me if im worng mick but wasnt it richy williams at fullbck for windsor and joe in the halves.

Does anyone want to know how they went haha.

Correct.

Richie was at fullback and Joe halfback.

Apparantly they were both pretty solid, from what i'd heard.

Hutch Maivia had a great game apparantly and picked up MOTM. Also got selected in this teams NSW Cup team of the week for his efforts.

Richie made a mistake against the Raiders...yes...but he was playing out of position, and also doing what a lot of fullbacks do...willing the ball over the line and sheltering it. His reactions to kick it out may not have been quick enough, but 99 times out of a 100...the chasing player doesn't score a try out of it.

IMO he has natural attacking instinct, and while playing him at fullback in PL will save him from defending, in my opinion that is preventing him from fixing his problem.

The only way you get better at something is continuosly doing it. So in other words, the only way to get better defence is to continuously make him tackle, that teaches him proper technique, and a technique where he can effectively bring down a defender.

This is the only barrier standing in the way of him being a regular first grader in my humble opinion. Sheltering him away in Premier League isn't gonna help him.

I wouldn't mind knowing how Dave Georgiou is going in Prems....playing centre isn't natural to him, and tbh I wouldn't mind seeing him and Sammut in the halves in First's either.

We need to keep Blair at either Centre, or lock...in my view lock is his position. Big, agile, defends with mongrel, runs hard and has the ability to chime in with a kick..exactly what we havn't had since Sattler left.

Joe Williams feels less pressure with a #6..so while he may still be a primary playmaker...without the #7 and the pressure of leadership, he would thrive playing his natural game.

We are not short of options for halves, we just continually look at the wrong ones and don't take a risk. That is the fault of the coach.

 

[110kgpantherpower]

Correct.

Richie was at fullback and Joe halfback.

Apparantly they were both pretty solid, from what i'd heard.

Hutch Maivia had a great game apparantly and picked up MOTM. Also got selected in this teams NSW Cup team of the week for his efforts.

Richie made a mistake against the Raiders...yes...but he was playing out of position, and also doing what a lot of fullbacks do...willing the ball over the line and sheltering it. His reactions to kick it out may not have been quick enough, but 99 times out of a 100...the chasing player doesn't score a try out of it.

IMO he has natural attacking instinct, and while playing him at fullback in PL will save him from defending, in my opinion that is preventing him from fixing his problem.

The only way you get better at something is continuosly doing it. So in other words, the only way to get better defence is to continuously make him tackle, that teaches him proper technique, and a technique where he can effectively bring down a defender.

This is the only barrier standing in the way of him being a regular first grader in my humble opinion. Sheltering him away in Premier League isn't gonna help him.

I wouldn't mind knowing how Dave Georgiou is going in Prems....playing centre isn't natural to him, and tbh I wouldn't mind seeing him and Sammut in the halves in First's either.

We need to keep Blair at either Centre, or lock...in my view lock is his position. Big, agile, defends with mongrel, runs hard and has the ability to chime in with a kick..exactly what we havn't had since Sattler left.

Joe Williams feels less pressure with a #6..so while he may still be a primary playmaker...without the #7 and the pressure of leadership, he would thrive playing his natural game.

We are not short of options for halves, we just continually look at the wrong ones and don't take a risk. That is the fault of the coach.

And bingo was his name o.

Well put richie was great so was joe and hutch was sensational.

It was a great game for the wolves.

I was just thinking while reading your comment and well you know your footy so from memory against the raiders smithy spent time at lock so my thoughts are.

Switch blair to lock bring richie up play him at centre for a few games so he can get that defensive lesson you agree he needs.

Then once he has those skills drop him to fullback for wesser.

After all its worth a shot if it dont work well we aint going nowhere anyways right....

As for joe williams i really think he would suit us playing off sammut those 2 combined and in form could be the best halves combo in the league and could really take us places.

 

[Big Mick]

IMO Richie Williams is a a five-eight/halfback and not a fullback.

I believe Lachlan Coote is a much better fullback than Richie Williams

Having said that, it is up to Sammut/ R.Williams /J.Williams / Georgiou / Caldwell (is he injured again? geez that bloke is unlucky) / McCrone to fight out the halves.

 

[110kgpantherpower]

Yea im not sure on caldwell great bloke great player just to damm unlucky.

Georgiou is awesome big time player oneday just not today unfortunately but within a season or 2 he will be first grade for sure.

My halves combo has to be sammut and joe id still say richie replacemnt fullback till wesser hits form and maybe a run in the centres can always switch part game with sammut or something.

 

[mxlegend99]

Richie Williams shouldn't be anywhere near the #1 jersey in first grade. If a player is to replace Rhys Wesser from the lower grades, Lachlan Coote should be first inline. IMO he is the best fullback at the club already.

Short term though, i'd rather see Gordon or Jennings shifted to fullback until Lachlan Coote is ready. These blokes are consistant, great at busting tackles and have plenty of pace.

 

[Kilkenny]

That's your opinion but its also bullsh*t, Fibro - Canberra's first try came about simply because 2 blokes, Rooney and TIGHE didn't number up properly, they left a gap the size of the grand canyon and the canberra bloke took it, it had nothing to do with Sammut's kick. Sammut's kicking game I thought was quite good, a few chip kicks, a massive 40-20 (must have some power to kick one of those regardless), a kick that resulted in a disallowed try for us - a hell of a lot better then J. Williams kicking game: STRAIGHT DOWN THE THROAT of the opposition fullback from the Brisbane game!!!

The point Fibroman is making is the kick leading to the Zillman try was not deep enough, which is wasn't, thereby not allowing our defence to get there in numbers. Thereafter Rooney and Tighe contrived to somehow allow Zillman thru untouched and to compound matters there was absolutely no cover Wesser and Co were expecting the kick to go to the right side. There was a lack of communication all round.

Judging Joe Williams so harshly as most fans seem to be doing on the back on the one performance is very, very sad. We should be supporting him, not bagging him out unmercifully.