John Cartwright's coaching ability

[Porkie]

1. Preston Campbell
2. Matt Petersen
3. Mat Rogers
4. Brett Delaney
5. Jake Webster
6. Josh Lewis
7. Scott Prince
8. Luke Bailey
9. Nathan Friend
10. Ian Donnelly
11. Anthony Laffranchi
12. Mark Minichello
13. Luke Swain

14. Matt Hilder
15. Michael Hodgson
16. Brad Meyers
17. Clint Amos

Too much time on your hands pal.

Like I said. Apples and Oranges.

Your stats were meaningless against those teams that had initial reserve grade quality sides or have been dismantled/merged.

The Titans were blessed a great squad for their first year and Cartwright's performance as an NRL coach is poor considering.

 

[anjado]

Too much time on your hands pal.

Like I said. Apples and Oranges.

Your stats were meaningless against those teams that had initial reserve grade quality sides or have been dismantled/merged.

The Titans were blessed a great squad for their first year and Cartwright's performance as an NRL coach is poor considering.

Thank you for proving to me you have no idea. The sides i listed were clearly much better than reserve grade standard and some were merged thus they had a stronger squad than the Titans in their first year. As it took me about 10 minutes to prove.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Those stats mean nothing. Apples and Oranges. The teams he has better performance records than are those that started with reserve grade (or worse) quality squads and no assistance from the league whatsoever.

The Titans started with a leg up from the NRL and a great squad. Very similar to the Broncos and the Storm when they were initiated. That is where the comparison ends though.

Cartwright has had his chances imo and won't last the 2014 season.

What exactly do you mean by these bolded parts? The Titans weren't given any draft picks or salary cap leg room.

 

[Helmet Man]

The Titan's current squad is similar if not better than the team which they made semis in 2009/2010 but Carty is still unable to produce the goods. The only reason the Titans made semis in the first place was because Prince was in the form of his life and arguably the best club halfback during that time. Also Mat Rogers had an outstanding partnership with Prince. These two carried the whole team and therefore were a deadly attacking team. Their defence in 2010 was very shaky so Carty did not play a significant part within the team. So i believe Carty is VERY VERY lucky to have a coaching job for such a long time.

2010 Titans. 1 Preston Campbell, 2 Kevin Gordon, 3 Mat Rogers, 4 Joseph Tomane, 5 David Mead, 6 Greg Bird, 7 Scott Prince 8 Luke Bailey, 9 Nathan Friend, 10 Brad Meyers, 11 Anthony Laffranchi, 12 Mark Minichiello, 13 Ashley Harrison. Subs: 14 Matthew White, 15 Sam Tagataese, 16 Bodene Thompson, 17 Riley Brown (made Semis)

2013 Titans. 1 William Zillman, 2 Kevin Gordon, 3 Brad Takairangi, 4 Jamal Idris, 5 David Mead, 6 Aidan Sezer, 7 Albert Kelly, 8 Luke Bailey, 9 Beau Falloon, 10 Nate Myles, 11 Greg Bird, 12 Mark Minichiello, 13 Ashley Harrison. Subs: 14 Dave Taylor, 15 Luke Douglas, 16 Ryan James, 17 Matt Srama (came 9th)

 

[anjado]

The Titan's current squad is similar if not better than the team which they made semis in 2010/2009 but Carty is still unable to produce the goods. The only reason the Titans made semis in the first place was because Prince was in the form of his life and arguably the best club halfback during that time. Also Mat Rogers had an outstanding partnership with Prince. These two carried the whole team and were a deadly attacking team. Their defence in 2010 was very shaky. Carty did not play a significant part within the team. SO i believe Carty is VERY VERY lucky to have a coaching job for a long time.

2010 Titans. 1 Preston Campbell, 2 Kevin Gordon, 3 Mat Rogers, 4 Joseph Tomane, 5 David Mead, 6 Greg Bird, 7 Scott Prince [c], 8 Luke Bailey, 9 Nathan Friend, 10 Brad Meyers, 11 Anthony Laffranchi, 12 Mark Minichiello, 13 Ashley Harrison. Subs: 14 Matthew White, 15 Sam Tagataese, 16 Bodene Thompson, 17 Riley Brown

To be fair as someone else mentioned they ran into Parramatta who were on fire in 2009 and in 2010 the competition was weaker by Melbourne's absence and they played poorly against the Roosters in the major semi. But in saying that 2009 and 2010 is only 3 and 4 seasons after they entered the competition. To do so well is a credit to them in my opinion it shows they are on a par with the likes of the Knights and Warriors etc.

Also to your other point i am not sure if the current side is better than the 2010 side but i will say i think the 2010 side is much better in 1,6,7,9 than the current side. The 2010 competition was massively weak Penrith finished 2nd in the minor premiership just by constantly scoring tries from kicks.

The thing with the current Gold Coast side is that they have very young players in key positions. It might take them another season or two to click into gear.

I am not sure if John Cartwright is a great coach or even a good on but unless Gold Coast completely stagnate or go backwards this year he really should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think you can say he has done a bad job. I have never really considered Gold Coast premiership contenders and they have always been pretty good.

For a new club they have done well. They have rebuilt the original side into the side they have today and aren't really any worse off and for that they deserve credit.

 

[Helmet Man]

To be fair as someone else mentioned they ran into Parramatta who were on fire in 2009 and in 2010 the competition was weaker by Melbourne's absence and they played poorly against the Roosters in the major semi. But in saying that 2009 and 2010 is only 3 and 4 seasons after they entered the competition. To do so well is a credit to them in my opinion it shows they are on a par with the likes of the Knights and Warriors etc.

Also to your other point i am not sure if the current side is better than the 2010 side but i will say i think the 2010 side is much better in 1,6,7,9 than the current side. The 2010 competition was massively weak Penrith finished 2nd in the minor premiership just by constantly scoring tries from kicks.

The thing with the current Gold Coast side is that they have very young players in key positions. It might take them another season or two to click into gear.

I am not sure if John Cartwright is a great coach or even a good on but unless Gold Coast completely stagnate or go backwards this year he really should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think you can say he has done a bad job. I have never really considered Gold Coast premiership contenders and they have always been pretty good.

For a new club they have done well. They have rebuilt the original side into the side they have today and aren't really any worse off and for that they deserve credit.

Fair enough points but a coach that has won 46% of matches is lucky to be coaching the same footy team for 7 years. He made the finals 2 of those 7 years and has a wooden spoon to his name.

I'd give him one last season but if the Titans don't make the 8 then he should leave. There have been reports from players about Carty's confusing coaching tactics.

One of them was when Bodene Thompson was with the club. He was continuously dropped and picked and dropped from the team. He asked Carty what should he do to improve his game to stay in the team. Carty couldn't respond properly and that confused Bodene. Now Bodene is at the Tigers.

Another one comes that Carty does not coach attacking sets in training. Greg Bird mentioned this. The players apparently have to stay after training to practice attacking sets by themselves. Real shocker this one.

With the Bodene situation many other players expressed similar problems. Carty never critiqued a player properly or pin pointed flaws in a person's game which would allow them to improve. Carty is a very nice and genuine good bloke. Players like him but in terms of footy its a whole different situation. Sometimes nice guys finish last.

 

[skeepe]

Good recruiter, bad coach. Put him in some kind of football management role and he'd probably go alright, but he's not cut out to be a coach.

 

[Garbler]

Titans fan here. Seriously who would you replace Cartwright with?

Also most of the comments are talking as if winning is 100% related to head coach performance. Would Hasler have all his success without the dollars and support staff he has?

And what can we say about our CEO, who burned all bridges with the community, almost sunk us a couple of years ago & refuses to relinquish control of the club?

 

[Mr Angry]

And what can we say about our CEO, who burned all bridges with the community, almost sunk us a couple of years ago & refuses to relinquish control of the club?

He hired him?

Will you be happy if you miss the finals again?

 

[Loudstrat]

Carty's also manufactured 3/4's of a potentially future origin level spine from the juniors (Kelly a troubled journeyman who never gained a foothold on FG anywhere else). He did so in the space of, what, 3 seasons? Cant recall another coach doing that. Hasler did 2 with DCE and Foran, Sheens with Farah and Benji. Gibson did it with 3 - Sterling, Kenny and Taylor. One can argue about Bellamy with Smith and Slater, but he had a few years before bringing in Cronk, and Inglis was only ever a fill in pivot anyway.

Carty is beginning to remind me of Graham Murray in that many of his achievements are in player development and team building rather than the glamour stuff like winning comps. I would never lie awake praying that Carty would coach Parramatta, but would love a coach that cn provide stability, develop new blood and wayward recruits to their best potential. Idris in particular is an example of what he can do.

 

[Garbler]

He hired him?

Touche!

Will you be happy if you miss the finals again?

No.

Does a change in head coach ensure we do?

 

[umina panther]

In 2010 Titans scored more tries from kicks than us im pretty sure

 

[Bring it home Knights]

I'm the first to admit that it can be hard to judge a coach. I like the quote that goes something along the lines of "when a team is struggling, a coach often receives more criticism then worthwhile and when a team is going well, the coach receives more accolades then they are deserving". For instance Brian Smith was able to get Parra to minor premiers in 2001 and 2005, yet in the years the team went poorly or other teams he coached went poorl, he was now considered a bad coach. So did he go from a good coach to a bad coach in a couple of years, or did he cop it unjustifiably?

 

[Helmet Man]

I'm the first to admit that it can be hard to judge a coach. I like the quote that goes something along the lines of "when a team is struggling, a coach often receives more criticism then worthwhile and when a team is going well, the coach receives more accolades then they are deserving". For instance Brian Smith was able to get Parra to minor premiers in 2001 and 2005, yet in the years the team went poorly or other teams he coached went poorl, he was now considered a bad coach. So did he go from a good coach to a bad coach in a couple of years, or did he cop it unjustifiably?

Yeah it is tough to judge. A coach can be judged if he has a decent squad to work with. Carty has a fantastic squad to work with. Ricky Stuart didn't have the best squads to work with when he was at the Eels. I think a coach with a good squad who can't produce results is clearly incompetent.