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John Grant quits....

BuffaloRules

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How the hell were Penrith supposedly broke at the time on the back of the biggest poker machine palace in the country pumping in the dollars?
 

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The small Sydney clubs like sharks and panthers joined as the ARL had been very clear that they were going to rationalise Sydney down to 5 or 6 clubs and they could see the writing on the wall if they didn't jump. Reds, allegedly, signed as news offered them a massive sponsorship deal and to cover travel that would secure their financial issues that were looming for the foreseeable future. Not sure why the raiders decided to join up?

Reading some of the documents from that time this week it seems that news was being pretty reasonable in offering ARL control of the game, the ARL chairman would be SL chairman, a decent slice of the finances, $73mill a year pay tv funding, a 14 team structure pretty much what ARL had been trying to achieve since the late 80's etc.
packer seems to have been the main factor that the stopped the ARL joining news in a partnership.
 

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The small Sydney clubs like sharks and panthers joined as the ARL had been very clear that they were going to rationalise Sydney down to 5 or 6 clubs and they could see the writing on the wall if they didn't jump. Reds, allegedly, signed as news offered them a massive sponsorship deal and to cover travel that would secure their financial issues that were looming for the foreseeable future. Not sure why the raiders decided to join up?

Reading some of the documents from that time this week it seems that news was being pretty reasonable in offering ARL control of the game, the ARL chairman would be SL chairman, a decent slice of the finances, $73mill a year pay tv funding, a 14 team structure pretty much what ARL had been trying to achieve since the late 80's etc.
packer seems to have been the main factor that the stopped the ARL joining news in a partnership.


Gow Shark's head moved quickly and was fully aware St George was the pick of the Southern franchise as far as News was concerned.
Other Sydney clubs were in financial trouble apart from those mentioned,including Illawarra,hnece the reasoning behind the ARL's planned rationalisation.Also when rationalisation was on the cards, the Swans were struggling, union wasn't professional openly, and there was no A league.A lot easier to do it then than now.

The Reds I understood ended up paying travel and accommodation costs for visiting teams ,and because they had limited funding ebbed up in the red(sic), so much for the value of News promises.They still jumped after being invited in.

The ARL's money on hand $25m plus and Packer's money and loyalty from a number of clubs were the deciding factors in the ARL, not jumping on board.
Packer was fully aware he had the ARL contract, and therefore a competing Pay TV contract with Fox was competition that was unnecessary.Rupert could not give a stuff ,about any other TV station's contract.News reasonable LOL.They were out for one thing pay TV content.Ride roughshod if you don't get it.
So Packer's honchos go to South Africa to try and set up a world ru comp.which is stymied, the result union goes fully pro.

In the end SL was a costly exercise for the ARL as well as News,although News got their Pay Tv set up..In the end some clubs went by the wayside, and the code lost 10 years of growth and 20 years of decent Tv deals.Has Ribot ever acknowledged the fact? Is E.T capable of walking the streets of Beijing without being mobbed?
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Dogs didnt sign on day 1

Brisbane and Canberra were the first two

With Perth, Nth Qld and Auckland deserting the ARL almost immediately

Penrith and Cronulla jumped over because they were both broke


That has SL with 7 teams and on shaky ground

Dogs were offered a huge package to swap over

Then Newcastle-Wests were courted and agreed before the FC members voted no. But the Mariners were off and running

This is where i lose sympathy for the ARL...

It took 3 groups to make Super League happen; players, clubs and financers (Murdoch). The ARL pissing off the Murdoch was difficult to avoid after Packer regused to deal (if the ARL had jumped to Murdoch, Packer would have done his own SL. He had form with World Series Cricket). And the players are blackholes for cash, they always want more than is on offer.

What i dont understand is how the ARL could give the valuable clubs so much freedom. Year-to-year contracts made sense for the little Sydney clubs, but why not sign the expasion clubs up to long term deals.

The simple fact that nz, nqld and Perth were able to jump shit before they evenbegan their first year shows how incompitent the ARLs people were. They were begin for SL to happen...

There were then lots of deals to try and get the 10th team - with Redcliffe, Auckland #2 and even Japan being courted. Before they finally setup Adelaide.

I never heard of these...

Its a shame none happened. Redcliffe or Auckland2 would have been far more likely to survive the 98 cull.
 

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If they had fans turn up to games perhaps they'd have survived

They didn't meet the criterion therefore they were cut, manly tried to save them but they tried to white ant manly while not paying for the stadium they were to buy

Thus they died and should never be allowed in North Sydney nor Gosford, they should buy the gold coast
North Sydney in the Tina Turner days got better crowds then some of the other Sydney clubs ?
 

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Reading some of the documents from that time this week it seems that news was being pretty reasonable in offering ARL control of the game, the ARL chairman would be SL chairman, a decent slice of the finances, $73mill a year pay tv funding, a 14 team structure pretty much what ARL had been trying to achieve since the late 80's etc.
packer seems to have been the main factor that the stopped the ARL joining news in a partnership.

You have a funny idea of reasonable. The sport stops becoming a sport and essentially becomes a TV product first and foremost.
 

Perth Red

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You have a funny idea of reasonable. The sport stops becoming a sport and essentially becomes a TV product first and foremost.

It happened anyway, the Murdoch offer was a good one for the game. ARL still ran the game, we got a strong inter-national top tier 14 club comp, a 20 club second division and a shed load of pay tv money every year. Plus they had a bigger vision for the game in other countries. We ended up with losinpir national profile, sht revenue streams and afl forging ahead after an amicable agreement. The fact arl couldn't do a deal with Murdoch was where the game was lost, pay tv was a relit and Murdoch was never going to let packer control it. But it's all water under the bridge now, time to get on a rebuild the top tier into something more.
 

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It happened anyway, the Murdoch offer was a good one for the game. ARL still ran the game, we got a strong inter-national top tier 14 club comp, a 20 club second division and a shed load of pay tv money every year. Plus they had a bigger vision for the game in other countries. We ended up with losinpir national profile, sht revenue streams and afl forging ahead after an amicable agreement. The fact arl couldn't do a deal with Murdoch was where the game was lost, pay tv was a relit and Murdoch was never going to let packer control it. But it's all water under the bridge now, time to get on a rebuild the top tier into something more.

If Murdoch got that anyway, how come we didn't get a strong international top tier, 20 team second division and the 'shed' load of pay TV money anyway?

You seemed to think that the game would be better off if we had of taken Murdoch's deal. Hardly as we'd have been sued by Packer for breaking the contract with him. Let alone News Ldts track record of taking care of Rugby League as is.
 

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If Murdoch got that anyway, how come we didn't get a strong international top tier, 20 team second division and the 'shed' load of pay TV money anyway?

You seemed to think that the game would be better off if we had of taken Murdoch's deal. Hardly as we'd have been sued by Packer for breaking the contract with him. Let alone News Ldts track record of taking care of Rugby League as is.

This argument has been done to death and it's been pointed out plenty of times in the past that Packer controlled the FTA and Pay TV rights so the ARL couldn't deal with Murdoch...

Now we move on to why the ARL agreed to the deal with Packer and it has to be explained to the Gen Ys and the Poms living on the other side of the world at the time that Packer secured the ARL rights at such terms as Ten had gone broke mid contract previously and Seven didn't want a bar of RL at that time...so Packer was the only player in town at the time and he certainly knew how to get his maximum pound of flesh..

Can't believe the support for Murdoch and News when after the SL war they couldn't jettison the Reds quick enough...
 

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Can't believe the support for Murdoch and News when after the SL war they couldn't jettison the Reds quick enough...

Perth Red is just bitter at Rugby League for not having a team in Perth and will blame anyone he can to take the focus off his teams betrayal which resulted in their demise.

The Reds backed the wrong horse. Simple as that.
 

siv

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We're talking about 97-98 tho,not 87

1996-1999 was a period where you should not judge figures of established clubs

It was a period where normal fans were staying away in droves

Hell even SL aligned clubs forfieted matches in 1996. If players didnt turn up - why should fans ?
 
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siv

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This argument has been done to death and it's been pointed out plenty of times in the past that Packer controlled the FTA and Pay TV rights so the ARL couldn't deal with Murdoch...

Now we move on to why the ARL agreed to the deal with Packer and it has to be explained to the Gen Ys and the Poms living on the other side of the world at the time that Packer secured the ARL rights at such terms as Ten had gone broke mid contract previously and Seven didn't want a bar of RL at that time...so Packer was the only player in town at the time and he certainly knew how to get his maximum pound of flesh..

Can't believe the support for Murdoch and News when after the SL war they couldn't jettison the Reds quick enough...

Can you add Pay-TV was only a futuristic dream when he payed money for something that didnt exist and wasnt going to for a number of years
 
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1996-1999 was a period where you should not judge figures of established clubs

It was a period where normal fans were staying away in droves

Hell even SL aligned clubs forfieted matches in 1996. If players didnt turn up - why should fans ?
The criterion was for one year from memory,1998

North Sydney did not meet the criterion,Manly although cash strapped from fighting super league still owned it's own f**king license,the license simply reverted once the cousin-f**king merge was disbanded

Lately the thing that pisses me off a lot is Gordon Tallis

This f**kwit,continually bitches about DCE staying at Manly

Gordon mate,you are a disloyal prick who sat out an entire season
instead of honoring his word to play for saints as per signed contract

Why the f**k is this useless merkin allowed to speak?
 

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/b4f65fe48edbcfbd4b51415cf2932f25

Secret plot to extend Grant’s role as chairman of ARC until the end of the Commonwealth Games

DAVID RICCIO CHIEF SPORTS WRITER, The Daily Telegraph
an hour ago

ARLC chairman John Grant will remain in his post until the end of the Commonwealth Games in April, if a backroom proposal to extend his tenure is approved.

The unlikely scenario has been proposed by at least one of the eight commissioners, who believes Grant should continue to control the game during the crossover period when his heir apparent, Peter Beattie is running the Games on the Gold Coast.

Beattie is the Commonwealth Games chair and is widely expected to replace Grant as ARL chairman.

Beattie, the Queensland premier from 1998 until 2007, was headhunted by the commission before being appointed in July.

Discontent from within the clubs was a factor in Grant’s decision to announce last June that he would not be reapplying for the ARL chairmanship, once his tenure ends in February.

However, the timing of his exit has led to the question from inside the commission — and which has reached several club chairman — of whether Grant should remain in the role, until Beattie relinquishes all duties from the Commonwealth Games?

Grant’s 2018 pre-season departure would mean that Beattie’s introduction to leading the Commission would be divided both in commitment and state lines.

He would be expected to lead the code, which is under alarming financial strain, while also delivering on a Queensland government promise to deliver the “best ever” Commonwealth Games, which will be held on the Gold Coast between April 4-15.

Not surprisingly, the mere notion of Grant staying longer than his intended February departure has been met with disapproval by leading club administrators, who had called for his axing 12 months ago.

“There’s been a discussion and a suggestion by one of the commissioners that he (Grant) stays until Beattie can step in after the Commonwealth Games,’’ one club chairman said.

“It’s a suggestion which has made its way to the clubs. It can’t happen. Are we surprised that it’s been suggested by one of Grant’s supporters? No.

“But given the state of the game has found itself in, how could it even be raised as a possibility?”

The proposal flies in the face of Beattie’s belief that as chairman of the Commonwealth Games organising committee, he could continue in the role during the Games, while also commencing his role on the ARL commission.

“The ugly, hard decisions on the Commonwealth Games have been made in the past year and the Games are humming,’’ Beattie said last July.

“Everything I do, I do 100 per cent. But just as the NRL has a CEO, GOLDOC has a very good CEO in Mark Peters. In eight and a half months’ time, the heavy work of the Games would be over.’’
 

LeagueXIII

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It's a shame the News Ltd press didn't put David Gallops tenure under such srcutiny years ago, then we wouldn't be where we are today ie. playing catch up.
 

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