Jubilee or WIN?

[Anonymous]

It's been announced that the NRL wants Saints to play the home semi-final at WIN should we score a top 4 spot.

They indicate lighting, broadcast quality and seating at WIN as being the governing factors.
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,10628837-23210,00.html

But Jubilee has had a higher crowd average this year and the share of matches this year has been uneven with Jubilee deserving of more games.

So if lighting wasn't a problem, where should the home semi-final be?

 

[SHD]

My personal preference is WIN, simply because it would put me closer to a game of finals football.
All factors considered outside of my personal preference, i'd say Kograh just readong what some dragons supporters think on the issue. I'm indifferent however.

 

[Southernsaint]

1. Jubilee

2. SFS

3. Away

4. Not making the fianls

5. WIN aka The Fortress

Cheers,
Ben S.

 

[Cheesie-the-Pirate]

WIN

Why? Because it is closer for me to travel!

Leaving that aside... it depends how lighting is not an issue.

If lighting isn't an issue because Jubilee has lights.... then it is still WIN.

If lighting isn't an issue because it is a day game... then it is Jubilee.

I like both grounds a lot. But I've always thought of Jubilee as ideal for a wonderful winter afternoon and WIN ideal for a crisp winter evening.

 

[Southernsaint]

SCS - it's not really fair for WIN, with already 7 games played against higher quality opposition, to get another game at the expense of Kogarah, who've only had 4, is it??

Especially consdiering that the club this year has a better winning record & attendance average at Jubille.

Cheers,
Ben S.

 

[SHD]

Well you mentioned yourself the teams the dragons played at WIN were higher class, so comparing winning records isn't totally fair.

 

[Anonymous]

I think the crowd averages are the gimme.
Plus the the ever elusive 50/50 arrangement and the old 'fair go'.

 

[Follow Me Up To Carlton]

I think the crowd averages are the gimme.
Plus the the ever elusive 50/50 arrangement and the old 'fair go'.

Right on Willow.

I'd even go so far as to say that it would be un-Australian not to play the game at Kogarah.

 

[Southernsaint]

I think the crowd averages are the gimme.
Plus the the ever elusive 50/50 arrangement and the old 'fair go'.

Right on Willow.

I'd even go so far as to say that it would be un-Australian not to play the game at Kogarah.

Well, we've already thrown the Easter Egg overboard. But I don't theink Doust's talk of playing the semi at home was a "core" promise.

Bring on Jubilee under lights!!

Cheers,
Ben S.

 

[Anonymous]

:lol: You better believe it.

 

[R2K]

No Home Final For Kogarah

The NRL has reportedly told St.George-Illawarra that it must play its home final at WIN Stadium if the Dragons finish in the top four after round 26.

Oki Jubilee Stadium has missed out on a possible home final because St.George-Illawarra are yet to resolve the permanent lighting issue at the Dragons’ most popular home venue.

While temporary lighting could be hired at Kogarah for the final, the NRL’s Graham Annesley has made the bizarre claim that the lights would “…only add to the congestion within the precinct.” Annesley made another questionable statement when he remarked that temporary lighting would fail to meet broadcasting needs.

With previous night matches at Kogarah there has been no issue with the temporary lighting not meeting the relevant broadcasting needs as “Musco Lighting” was used to supply these lights.

Musco hold the distinction of being the official lighting provider for the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens and were also the provider for the 2000 Sydney Olympics. The 2004 Olympics was the biggest temporary lighting project in Musco’s history, with 11 lighting trucks being shipped from the United States to Athens for the event. If Musco are able to satisfy the broadcasting standards of the Olympic Games, it is laughable to suggest that the NRL’s broadcasting standards would not be satisfied.

If holding a home final at Kogarah wasn’t a possibility, the NRL should have come out and refuted the possibility from the outset. Instead the issue lingered in the newspapers for the best part of a fortnight, during which the NRL were reportedly in discussions with Kogarah Council, St.George-Illawarra and the WIN Stadium Trust.

This outcome places additional pressure on St.George-Illawarra to arrange for the installation of permanent lighting at Kogarah. The Dragons must ensure that the St.George District’s premier sporting facility remains competitive with other venues.

The decision to grant the final to WIN Stadium emphasises how inequitable the current home game split is between Wollongong and Kogarah. A home final at WIN would mean that WIN Stadium has hosted twice the number of NRL matches that Kogarah has been granted in 2004. Supporters should be concerned that the Dragons are yet to make concrete guarantees that Kogarah will host a minimum of 50% of home matches from 2006 onwards.

For more information on the permanent lighting issue at Oki Jubilee Stadium, visit R2K’s lighting page at:

http://www.r2k.info/lights.html

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

miss-post.

 

[Man_of_Steel_1982]

Perhaps if we have a 50/50 split with the home games, we should also have a 50/50 jersey and logo.

yeah, yeah, I know St.George puts in more money, but the Steelers control the juniors and head the rich Illawarra league.

Don't forget, you can also watch the Dragons play at other Sydney venues throughout the year - Cronulla, Roosters, Tigers, Souths, etc.

We were told down here that the merger would see all home games at WIN from the year 2000. That was what we were going to get from the merger and why many people (myself included) accepted the JV in the beginning.

 

[Follow Me Up To Carlton]

We were told down here that the merger would see all home games at WIN from the year 2000.

By whom?

 

[Southernsaint]

Perhaps if we have a 50/50 split with the home games, we should also have a 50/50 jersey and logo.

The 50/50 split of home games was integral to the JV, the colours, jersey & logo were non-negotiable. As you probably know, the Steelers faction are strying to shoe-horn their shitty jersey into being the away strip in 2006. Whatever, I'll just go & cheer whomever is playing against the Steelers that day.

yeah, yeah, I know St.George puts in more money, but the Steelers control the juniors and head the rich Illawarra league.

LMFAO!! Rich, my arse!! At the moment St George Leagues actually hold a secured mortgage over your beloved fire-riddled Steelers Leagues because Steelers owe them to the tune of $8.29 million. One Steelers official has even admitted to the fact that Illawarra basically contribute nothing to the JV saying that "one day we hope to be in a position to make an effort to help fund the JV" or words to that effect.

Don't forget, you can also watch the Dragons play at other Sydney venues throughout the year - Cronulla, Roosters, Tigers, Souths, etc.

We were told down here that the merger would see all home games at WIN from the year 2000. That was what we were going to get from the merger and why many people (myself included) accepted the JV in the beginning.

So can you. You can also watch them in Newcastle, Auckland, Brisbane, Melbourne & Townsville. The point is that Sydneysiders are basically subsidising Illawarra people to have a football team in their town, one which they don't even support as well us we do.

Who told you that you were going to get all the home matches?? The Illawarra Mockery?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers,
Ben S.

 

[Cheesie-the-Pirate]

SCS - it's not really fair for WIN, with already 7 games played against higher quality opposition, to get another game at the expense of Kogarah, who've only had 4, is it??

Especially consdiering that the club this year has a better winning record & attendance average at Jubille.

Cheers,
Ben S.

Yeah.... I wasn't really including fairness in my equation. Why? Because I didn't think of it.

But I wouldn't think of fairness anyway. If we were talking about fairness then the team wouldn't be the St. George Illawarra Dragons anyway. That is hardly fair for Illawarra Steelers fans. Nor is the jersey, nor is the badge etc. etc.

Sure St. George is the dominant part of the Merger. Everyone knows that. But that doesn't mean that everything has to be in their favour all the time. The 7 games a season contract was relevent when the SFS was our Sydney ground and when the Northern Grandstand was being built. Perhaps it isn't now that we are back to the beloved Jubilee. But the contract has another year on it, so what are we going to do? St. George fans overall have the better side of the deal and I imagine WIN will revert to 6 games a season when the current deal expires.

Now... better winning record is difficult to argue either way. This isn't AFL or Cricket where the actual ground matters that much.

But I think comparing attendances is unfair. Clearly WIN suffered from the torential rain for the Newcastle game. That was the only home game I missed all season. Also, WIN got the North Queensland, Melbourne and Warriors games - the worst draws in the competition.

Now, this is an excuse that only goes so far. Nth Queensland and New Zealand drew better at Kogarah last year then WIN this year. Perhaps the novelty of the return to Kogarah was still there. Perhaps Sunday afternoon matches are more popular. Perhaps Illawarra fans aren't as keen. I don't know and I don't think anyone can safely conclude anything at this stage.

The nature of sports attendences is odd. Some times it is up, some times it is down.

I was shocked that the Cronulla game didn't sell out. I was shocked that the Wests game did.

 

[Jamesy]

[quote="Southernsaint]The 50/50 split of home games was integral to the JV, the colours, jersey & logo were non-negotiable. As you probably know, the Steelers faction are strying to shoe-horn their shitty jersey into being the away strip in 2006. Whatever, I'll just go & cheer whomever is playing against the Steelers that day.
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You should hang your head in shame. You call yourself a supporter. Although I was too a Dragons fan be4 the JV but i still wouldn't cheer for the other side. Don't forget that the majoriy of the squad actuall come from the illawarra area or were playing for the steelers before the JV. PULL YOU f**kING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ARSE S.S.

 

[Steel-Dragon]

All these "Old School St George Fans" should have a hard long look at them self's in the mirror and see who there supporting
"NOW" The St George "Illawarra" Dragons, Not the St George Dragons and see where most of the team comes from.?

1. Ben Hornby
2. Ben Creagh
3. Matt Cooper
4.
5.
6. Trent Barrett
7. Matt Head
8. Luke Bailey
9. Ryan Powell
10. Jason Ryles
11. Dean Young
12. Justin Poore
13. Shaun Timmins
14. Ashton Sims

Yep that's right the Illawarra and Old Steelers.
I don't get why you hate the Steelers and Illawarra so much. When I a "Old Steelers" supporter was at the game on the weekend the Club was celebrating the 1979 Grand Final side and there was quit a few Illawarra players playing in that team too so you should be use to it by now.!

You guy's need to get over it, your hanging on the past Grand Finals and teams. It's good to remember that stuff but what about the present.

 

[Southernsaint]

All these "Old School St George Fans" should have a hard long look at them self's in the mirror and see who there supporting
"NOW" The St George "Illawarra" Dragons, Not the St George Dragons and see where most of the team comes from.?

1. Ben Hornby
2. Ben Creagh
3. Matt Cooper
4.
5.
6. Trent Barrett
7. Matt Head
8. Luke Bailey
9. Ryan Powell
10. Jason Ryles
11. Dean Young
12. Justin Poore
13. Shaun Timmins
14. Ashton Sims

Yep that's right the Illawarra and Old Steelers.
I don't get why you hate the Steelers and Illawarra so much. When I a "Old Steelers" supporter was at the game on the weekend the Club was celebrating the 1979 Grand Final side and there was quit a few Illawarra players playing in that team too so you should be use to it by now.!

You guy's need to get over it, your hanging on the past Grand Finals and teams. It's good to remember that stuff but what about the present.

Ahhhh, the old "juniors" chestnut. The same players that have guided us to a 50% winning record & zero Premierships since 1999.

Who knows whether the Steelers would be able to keep those juniors in Scarlet & White whithout the funding that St George provides. Who knows Who would have been able to come through the Kogarah ranks had the JV's priority not been the South Coast.

I don't care where the players come from, to be honest. They could come from Equatorial Guinea or Lesotho for all I care as long as they put in for the Red Vee.

Cheers,
Ben S.

 

[alive103]

I don't care where the players come from, to be honest. They could come from Equatorial Guinea or Lesotho for all I care as long as they put in for the Red Vee.

I'm actually scouting these areas for the club on the weekend!

Ah the steelers and their juniors, where would we be without them? Faceless probably.... there's one good point, $8.29 million richer.... that's two good points...... better eyesight because I wouldn't have to remove Fortress grass clippings out of my eyes.... that's 3..... Sydney supporters wouldn't have to go six weeks at a time without seeing their team play at home.... that's 4.... I could go on.

Illawarra gets 7 home games a year due to some dodgy agreement they reached with the State Government when the last piece of Lego-Land was put on the Northern End of the Fortress. Wollongong has had it's 7 games, it's Steelers day where we celebrated 22 years of nothingness. Meanwhile in Sydney where the majority of money and support comes from, we have 4 games at home and one at a neutral venue.... Wow!

If Doust had any type of strong leader capabilities, why did he leave the NRL to make the decision? Because he is gutless. This is a joke. 8 home games in Wollongong. I hope we don't send through the money for the light bill.

There's a big loan, a big loan, a big loan over there
We own it, we own it, we own what's over there!