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Jubilee or WIN?

Where should the home final be?

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Steel-Dragon

Juniors
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This is pretty crazy we all support the same team... #-o

OK what if they split the home games 6 at OKI and 6 at WIN and when they play
at OKI they wear the Red V and the shorts and socks they do now and at WIN the Steeters jumper they played in against the Panthers this year but wear the old
St George shorts and socks...???????

Would that be Cool with every one, What do you guy's think..??????
 

Anonymous

Juniors
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Steel-Dragon said:
This is pretty crazy we all support the same team... #-o

OK what if they split the home games 6 at OKI and 6 at WIN and when they play
at OKI they wear the Red V and the shorts and socks they do now and at WIN the Steeters jumper they played in against the Panthers this year but wear the old
St George shorts and socks...???????

Would that be Cool with every one, What do you guy's think..??????
That's not in line with the JV agreement.
It's a 50/50 split and we play in the Red V (or the away blood & bandages) jersey.
The Red V is more recognisable and far more famous than the Steelers jumper.
With respect, the club is called the St George Illawarra Dragons, not the St George Illawarra Dragons Steelers.
 

drake

First Grade
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Willow said:
Steel-Dragon said:
This is pretty crazy we all support the same team... #-o

OK what if they split the home games 6 at OKI and 6 at WIN and when they play
at OKI they wear the Red V and the shorts and socks they do now and at WIN the Steeters jumper they played in against the Panthers this year but wear the old
St George shorts and socks...???????

Would that be Cool with every one, What do you guy's think..??????
That's not in line with the JV agreement.
It's a 50/50 split and we play in the Red V (or the away blood & bandages) jersey.
The Red V is more recognisable and far more famous than the Steelers jumper.
With respect, the club is called the St George Illawarra Dragons, not the St George Illawarra Dragons Steelers.
And thank heavans for that.
WTF is a Steeler?
 

Steel-Dragon

Juniors
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Yeah I know, I'm just trying think of something that might be good for both fans bases.
Well it's not really a 50/50 split if you get both your jumpers home and away and the Illawarra side of the team gets no jersey.
Wests and Balmain were both Older clubs then the Dragons but they changed their jumpers for the JV.
What do you think of the jumpers they played in this against the Rabbitohs in the chariting shield and the Roosters Anzac game, they weren't the proper
Red V jersey but people still knew who they were.
 

Anonymous

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Steel-Dragon said:
Yeah I know, I'm just trying think of something that might be good for both fans bases.
Well it's not really a 50/50 split if you get both your jumpers home and away and the Illawarra side of the team gets no jersey.
I was talking in two sections:
1.) 50/50 split for home matches.
2.) Jersey is Red V

This was the agreement.
 

Anonymous

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Steel-Dragon said:
What do you think of the jumpers they played in this against the Rabbitohs in the chariting shield and the Roosters Anzac game, they weren't the proper
Red V jersey but people still knew who they were.
My personal view is that it should be Red V at all matches. But marketing doesn't always allow for that.
The Red V is the most popular. It's also the most enduring. Therefore, it is the most recognisable.
 

Steel-Dragon

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Yeah I agree it should be 50/50 on the home games for OKI and WIN.

Yeah but do you think thats fare on the Illawarra side of the JV (Jumpers).??
Maybe they should wright up a new agreement and be 50/50 on everything.!

What do you think about the Wests Tigers JV that's pretty Fare on the Jersey side of things but maybe not on the home games too..?? What is it now for next year 3 each and the rest on Telestra..??
 

RICHO

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It will NEVER be a 50/50 split while OKI doesn't have lights. The NRL won't allow it.

That would mean the Dragons getting 6 Sunday games at home (OKI), plus however many Sundays at WIN.

Just won't happen due to TV commitments.


As for the finals, it was ALWAYS going to be WIN (don't forget that the Dragons don't actually have a home final yet).

And just on the jersey, the "Blood and Bandages" is being replaced in the coming years.
 

Rexxy

Coach
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For such a thin skin your sig is highly inflammatory. I guess you fancy yourself

Now:-
NRL doesnt tell clubs where to play. Its not in the agreement.

Sundays are fine at OKI. TV loves us.

WIN Oki and SFS were options.

Everyone knows the jumper is changing

Looks like your the exclusive gossip from your Steeler Buddy is old news.
 

RICHO

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You've got issues Rex.
Thin Skin am I? Why would you say that?
And why does my sig make me "fancy myself"?


True, the NRL does not tell clubs where to play. But they tell them where they CAN'T play.

I was highlighting the jersey change because WIllow said:
"It's a 50/50 split and we play in the Red V (or the away blood & bandages) jersey." Meaning that both jerseys were "St George" ones, which is likely to change anyway, and I won't go in to the "ANZAC" jersey and "Charity Shield" jerseys...

and the choice of ground for the finals, well, let me just say that you don't know as much as you think you do Rex.
 

Rexxy

Coach
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RICHO said:
and the choice of ground for the finals, well, let me just say that you don't know as much as you think you do Rex.

Your sig is damn offensive. But I guess it caught it off you.

If you wanna come in here with some "Ive got inside contacts" you can just f**k off back to the Sharks forum.

Are you the guy out the front of the club selling hotdogs, or the special someone that gets put on the special bus.

Either you have info or you dont. And all I smell is a big noting, back girl. The final issue IS very much an NRL decision as they are the "dry hirer" of the venue.

And anyone with a commercial brain would take SFS and WIn into account, talk to both Trusts, do the sums and play both off against each other.
 

RICHO

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I'd PM you with the details, but since you took a dislike to it the last time I don't think I'll bother.


My sig is offensive? So are many other sigs that are going around. Big deal.
 

RICHO

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Honestly, I joined in what I thought was a decent conversation, and look what I get.

No wonder some people (and clubs) get bad reputations.
 
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RICHO said:
Honestly, I joined in what I thought was a decent conversation, and look what I get.

No wonder some people (and clubs) get bad reputations.

You wouldn't have any problems if you were'nt so full of shit.
 

Rexxy

Coach
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Pest control
By Edmund Tadros
August 28, 2004
Icon Sydney Morning Herlad

A few years ago, a man turned up at a regular meeting of American feminists. Before he joined in, however, he told the group they would eventually throw him out because, in his words, all feminists were "bigots and liars".

He then proceeded to undermine many of the group's discussions, using a combination of disingenuous comments, intentionally outrageous claims and, eventually, direct insults.

Despite this, he was not immediately ejected. Instead, group members argued with him, argued about arguing with him, argued that everyone should just ignore him, until the meeting organiser took matters into her own hands and kicked him out.

This drama didn't play out in a real-world meeting place but on an internet-based discussion board. These electronic discussions, which cover almost any imaginable interest, allow like-minded people from around the world to post messages.

And the man, who probably would never have behaved this way in real life, is a classic example of an internet troll - a cyber prankster whose sometimes playful, sometimes abusive, mostly puerile and occasionally useful behaviour can tear an online community apart or leave it more bonded than ever.

Trolls take pleasure in disrupting online discussions by posting controversial messages, explains Susan Herring, a professor of information science at Indiana University in the United States, who wrote a paper about the troll attack on the feminist discussion board.

"The group was infiltrated by a couple of different men. One person [who they referred to as Kent] came on the group and announced from the outset that he was going to get kicked off the group. He said that feminists were intolerant," says Herring.

"He said he wanted to discuss the issues but all he really wanted to do was disrupt the group. He actually manipulated the ideologies of feminism, which is open and tolerant, and if people in the group tried to shut him up overtly they would prove they were intolerant. He won either way."

Kent's posts to the feminist discussion group, which had about 200 active participants, were provocative enough that someone would inevitably take the bait. In one post, Kent the troll, oozing false sincerity, wrote: "Incidentally, I take the silence over the gender wage gap hoax to mean that no feminist here even wants to TRY to defend their biggest lie: that men are paid more for the same work than women are."

Fighting with Kent was difficult because he was never specifically offensive, just subversive. In another message, he challenged the group: "In summary, what exactly is offensive about my posts? If you can tell me I will either stop doing it or leave the board. If, however, you refuse to tell me, and I've not been shy about asking SPECIFICALLY what standards I'm supposed to live by, then I will carry on doing it, of course."

Then, when people tried to ignore him, he would write: "Every poster here has told me that I'm wrong and they are right about feminism. Do you see that? I at least offer proof. I want to discuss, not just drop a slogan and ride out throwing dismissive insults."

The result was chaos, Herring says.

"They didn't know about trolling and I think that would have helped them act more actively. Half the people said ignore him because they figured out he was getting off on the attention. But there were always newcomers or someone else who would take the bait.

"There was another group that said we should just ban him. Then they had the whole discussion about banning him. Finally, the webmistress took matters into her own hands and did ban him. In the process they devised guidelines on how to deal with disruptive people."

Kent the troll focused his energy on upsetting feminists but other trolls are happy to upset a wider range of people. "Ari" told Icon his favourite technique was to write messages that were nominally on-topic.

"For example, I had an argument with one gentleman from alt.fan.ronald-reagan whether the title 'the Great Communicator' belongs to the Gipper [Reagan] or Nokia's 9210 Communicator mobile phone," Ari says.

The comparison between the late former president and Nokia's latest mobile communication device disturbed many of Reagan's fans, resulting in a spirited (and totally pointless) debate in the message board.

"Another good one was the 'Trent Reznor [of the band Nine Inch Nails] got his inspiration from the Sledge Hammer! [an '80s TV show)] theme song thread," Ari says. "That one got me an email from the TV series' creator."

Other trolls are a little more sick and twisted than Ari. On a discussion board about pet rabbits, one troll wrote the message: "Please post rabbit recipes." Unaware it was a troll, one of the rabbit lovers reacted in horror: "How inhuman can you be? This is a rabbit LOVERS newsgroup not a rbbit EATER [sic] newsgroup." Others, confused by the message, actually provided their favourite food-for-rabbits recipes.

So why do it? Why purposely find people who have a common interest and upset them? Like bullies, trolls feel alienated and want attention, says Rebekka Sommer, from the health psychology unit at the University of Technology, Sydney.

"If you're a troll, you're feeling fairly disconnected. Because you're not feeling OK, you go into a discussion group where people are sharing vulnerabilities or passions but you're not experiencing any sense of belonging, so you trivialise that sense of belonging and you feel better about yourself. It is a kind of power trip. It comes down to self-esteem."

Herring says trolling is the cyber version of schoolyard or workplace bullying. "The analogue for trolling is bullying at school but rather than overt bullying, the far more insidious type of bullying. The victim gets a sense that something is going on but you can never confront anyone. I think it's driven by the same thing, which is jealousy." The impersonal nature of the internet also gives rise to this anti-social behaviour.

"There is less accountability online because trolls don't know what you look like and in some ways they can disassociate from the effect they're having on people. It's almost dehumanising," Sommer says.

"I can say something nasty because I don't have to look you in the face. If I don't have to look at you it's easier for me to be hurtful and it still serves my purpose which is to make what you're doing look silly and make me feel better about myself."

Ari tells us he trolls because: "It's fun and easy. Also, it makes me feel all superior and stuff. I like feeling all superior and stuff. It's comforting."

Trolls are most common on open internet discussion boards but have also invaded closed online communities such as orkut.com, an invitation-only social networking service. Michael Jones, an active Orkut member, says he has a troll stalking him online.

"I'm not sure where I got this guy from but he's got this doctored photo of me [on his profile]," says the 32-year-old PhD student. "The guy shows up and randomly invites people to my apartment for large amounts of group sex and I don't even know who [he or she] is. Why me?"

Jones believes trolls can be a problem but says they also spice up an otherwise dull discussion: it's no fun when a group of people who agree with each other get together. "If everyone is there to agree with each other, no one is doing anything. You can be a devil's advocate and stir things up then."

Trolls become a nuisance when they descend into direct abuse, he says. "They're just being outright stupid, it's not even entertaining. It's abusive language for the sake of abusive language."

Another Orkut user, 19-year-old university student Yi Shi, says she has helped track down trolls on the site. Orkut trolls will typically create a fake identity before finding discussion groups to disrupt and people to upset.

" 'Leonie Obermeier' was a troll we collectively hunted down," she says. "The German-speakers concluded that none of her posts sounded feminine. Others were getting upset that she kept spamming people to get profile views."

The proof Leonie was a troll came when a sharp-eyed web-surfer discovered Leonie's profile photo actually came from a copyrighted website by typing "blond teen" into Google.

"The trolls are generally not very intelligent," Shi says. "A quick Google images search will yield their photo on a copyrighted website, their grammar/syntax/punctuation is often atrocious and they slip up in many places."

As for dealing with trolls, that's simple: ignore them, says Jones. "Ignore it and delete it without any further comment if you can. The worst thing you can do is give them the attention that they are seeking. It's a kind of social terrorism - if you really appease them and give them what they want, they'll terrorise you."

Infofile

For those bored - or twisted - enough to want to try their hand at trolling, have a look at this site: www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

Check out this Wikipedia link for more background on trolling and links to notable trolls.
 

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