Just how many NZ/Islanders play the game?

[Holla if ya hear me]

There cant be any team in the NRL with out a few..interesting to see a head count..minus the warriors i guess

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

I think it was 2003/2004 when it was around 19-20% of players were of Maori/Island/NZ heritage. Couldn't say now though.

 

[ozbash]

theres not enough.

 

[Quidgybo]

I think it was 2003/2004 when it was around 19-20% of players were of Maori/Island/NZ heritage.

And yet we've still got people in here arguing against a second NZ team.

Leigh.

 

[dontmakemeangry]

it would be up around the 30%-35% mark now...Surely?

 

[Hatzy]

it would be up around the 30%-35% mark now...Surely?

Not sure but when we played the Eels prem team the other day they had 6 Kiwis in their ranks.

 

[sharko]

I think there are a larger proportion of Islanders in NRL squads now as the interchange suits their style of play and athleticism. I think Chris Anderson was making reference to something similar when he said this year that the game is less skilful now and more designed for large powerful types who can go hard for 10-12 minutes and then take a breather. Gus Gould was bemoaning the dearth of skill of 5/8s in the current game..more of them with a few exceptions of course, are glorified lock forwards who bash it over the advantage line and get a quick play the ball. At junior level these Islanders are very big for their age and scare the crap out of their junior opponents.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

A quick scan through the lineups for round 2 (and these are just the ones I know)

Dragons - 1
Knights - 2
Panthers - 3
Dogs - 4
Tigers - 5
Sea Eagles - 1
Raiders - 0 (must be why they're rubbish!)
Storm - 3
Cowboys - 1
Roosters - 5
Warriors - 8
Broncos - 6
Rabbitohs - 5
Eels - 3
Titans - 2
Sharks 1

Total - 50, or 18.3% of the total number of players playing this weekend.


(list includes both Australian based players with PI ancestry like Mason and Hayne and European NZers like Covell, Eastwood and Mannering)

 

[Dr Crane]

A quick scan through the lineups for round 2 (and these are just the ones I know)

Dragons - 1
Knights - 2
Panthers - 3
Dogs - 4
Tigers - 5
Sea Eagles - 1
Raiders - 0 (must be why they're rubbish!)
Storm - 3
Cowboys - 1
Roosters - 5
Warriors - 8
Broncos - 6
Rabbitohs - 5
Eels - 3
Titans - 2
Sharks 1

Total - 50, or 18.3% of the total number of players playing this weekend.


(list includes both Australian based players with PI ancestry like Mason and Hayne and European NZers like Covell, Eastwood and Mannering)

It would be interesting to see the numbers from PL too.

 

[Panther_Daz]

Panthers - 3

Penrith had 5 in the Friday night team.

Tony Puletua,Frank Puletua, Frank Pricthard. Michael Jennings and Junior Moors.

 

[fobsta]

Going by Pacific Island or Maori heritage, full or part -

A lot have an Islander/Maori parent and a european parent eg. Kite, Mason, Maitua. Williams, Webb, Thurston, Sims etc.

Correct where you think I'm wrong.



St George Illawarra

1. Josh MORRIS
2. Luke MACDOUGALL
3. Keith LULIA (COOK ISLANDER)
4. Matt COOPER
5. Wes NAIQAMA (FIJIAN)
6. Richard WILLIAMS
7. Ben HORNBY (c)
8. Dan HUNT
9. Simon WOOLFORD
10. Jason RYLES (c)
11. Ashton SIMS (FIJIAN)
12. Beau SCOTT
13. Ben CREAGH
14. Adam PEEK
15. Danny WICKS
16. Corey PAYNE
17. Tony CAINE


Newcastle Knights

1. Kurt Gidley
2. James McManus
3. George Carmont (SAMOAN)
4. Brad Tighe
5. Adam MacDougall
6. Daniel Abraham
7. Jarrod Mullen
8. Josh Perry
9. Terence Seu Seu (SAMOAN)
10. Adam Woolnough
11. Steve Simpson (C)
12. Clint Newton
13. Kirk Reynoldson
14. Todd Polglase
15. Cory Paterson
16. Matthew White
17. Daniel Tolar
18. Jesse Royal(MAORI)
19. Riley Brown
20. Akuila Uate (FIJIAN)
21. Kade Snowden


Penrith Panthers

1. Rhys Wesser
2. Luke Rooney
3. Luke Lewis
4. Michael Gordon
5. Michael Jennings (SAMOAN)
6. Peter Wallace
7. Craig Gower (c)
8. Frank Puletua (SAMOAN)
9. Luke Priddis
10. Joel Clinton(EURONZ)
11. Frank Pritchard (SAMOAN)
12. Tony Puletua (SAMOAN)
13. Trent Waterhouse
14. Junior Moors (SAMOAN)
15. Nathan Smith
16. Paul Aiton
17. Matthew Cross
18. Brendan Worth


Bulldogs

1. Luke Patten
2. Hazem El Masri
3. Daryl Millard (FIJIAN)
4. Willie Tonga (TONGAN)
5. Matt Utai (SAMOAN)
6. Daniel Holdsworth
7. Ben Roberts (SAMOAN)
8. Mark O'Meley
9. Adam Perry
10. Willie Mason (TONGAN)
11. Andrw Ryan (C)
12. Reni Maitua (SAMOAN)
13. Sonny-Bill Williams (SAMOAN)
14. Dallas McIlwain
15. Chris Armit
16. Kane Cleal
17. Jarrad Hickey


Wests Tigers

1 Brett Hodgson ©
2 Taniela Tuiaki (TONGAN)
3 Dean Collis
4 Paul Whatuira (MAORI/COOK ISLANDER)
5 Jason Moodie
6 Benji Marshall (MAORI)
7 John Morris
8 Keith Galloway
9 Robbie Farah
10 Bryce Gibbs
11 Ben Galea
12 Todd Payten
13 Dene Halatau (NIUEAN)
14 Liam Fulton
15 Daniel Fitzhenry
16 Chris Heighington
17 Bronson Harrison (MAORI)
18 Danny Galea


Manly Sea Eagles

1. Brett Stewart
2. Michael Robertson
3. Steve Bell
4. Steve Matai (SAMOAN)
5. Chris Hicks
6. Jamie Lyon
7. Matt Orford (c)
8. Jason King
9. Michael Monaghan
10. Brent Kite (TONGAN)
11. Anthony Watmough
12. Glenn Stewart
13. Luke Williamson
14. Clint Halden
15. Matt Ballin
16. George Rose
17. Mark Bryant
18. Glenn Hall


Canberra Raiders

1. Marshall Chalk
2. Colin Best
3. Phil Graham
4. David Howell
5. Adrian Purtell
6. Todd Carney
7. Michael Dobson
8. Scott Logan
9. Lincoln Withers
10. Dane Tilse
11. Glen Turner(EURONZ)
12. Ben Jones
13. Alan Tongue (C)
14. Andrew Dunemann
15. Joe Picker
16. Josh Miller
17. Alan Rothery
18. William Zillman


Melbourne Storm

1. Billy Slater
2. Matt Geyer
3. Matt King
4. Anthony Quinn
5. Israel Folau (TONGAN)
6. Greg Inglis
7. Cooper Cronk
8. Antonio Kaufusi(TONGAN)
9. Cameron Smith
10. Brett White
11. Jeremy Smith (SAMOAN/MAORI)
12. Ryan Hoffman
13. Dallas Johnson
14. Michael Crocker
15. Garret Crossman
16. Jeff Lima (SAMOAN)
17. James Aubusson
18. Ben Cross
19. Ryan Shortland(EURONZ)
20. Sam Tagataese (SAMOAN/TONGAN)


North Queensland Cowboys

1. Matt Bowen
2. Brenton Bowen
3. Ashley Graham
4. Paul Bowman
5. Neil Sweeney
6. Jason Smith
7. Johnathan Thurston ©(MAORI)
8. Matthew Scott
9. Aaron Payne (vc)
10. Carl Webb (MAORI)
11. Steve Southern
12. Luke O'Donnell
13. Justin Smith
14. Rod Jensen
15. Jacob Lillyman
16. Sione Faumuina (SAMOAN)
17. Shane Tronc


Sydney Roosters

1. Anthony Minichello
2. Shaun Kenny-Dowall (EURONZ)
3. Joel Monaghan
4. Sia Soliola (SAMOAN)
5. Sam Perrett (SAMOAN/MAORI)
6. Mitchell Aubusson
7. Josh Lewis
8. Chris Beattie
9. Craig Wing
10. Danny Nutley
11. Anthony Tupou (TONGAN)
12. Craig Fitzbiggon ©
13. Braith Anasta
14. Charles Tonga (TONGAN)
15. Nate Myles
16. Mickey Paea (TONGAN)
17. Lopini Paea (TONGAN)


Warriors

1. WADE McKINNON
2. MICHAEL CROCKETT
3. TONY MARTIN
4. LANCE HOHAIA (MAORI)
5. MANU VATUVEI (TONGAN)
6. MICHAEL WITT
7. GRANT ROVELLI
8. RUBEN WIKI (V-C) (SAMOAN/MAORI)
9. GEORGE GATIS
10. STEVE PRICE (C)
11. SIMON MANNERING (EURONZ)
12. LOGAN SWANN (SAMOAN)
13. MICHEAL LUCK
14. NATHAN FIEN
15. EVARN TUIMAVAVE (SAMOAN)
16. EPALAHAME LAUAKI (TONGAN)
17. SAM RAPIRA (MAORI)
18. JEROME ROPATI (SAMOAN)


Brisbane Broncos

1. Justin Hodges
2. Steve Michaels
3. Brent Tate
4. Joel Moon
5. Darius Boyd
6. Shane Perry
7. Karmichael Hunt (COOK ISLANDER/SAMOAN)
8. Dane Carlaw
9. Shaun Berrigan
10. Petero Civoniceva (c) (FIJIAN)
11. Sam Thaiday
12. Brad Thorn (EURONZ)
13. Tonie Carroll (EURONZ)
14. Nick Kenny
15. Ben Hannant
16. Greg Eastwood (MAORI)
17. John Te Reo (MAORI)
[/B]

South Sydney Rabbitohs

1. David Peachey
2. Nathan Merritt
3. Nigel Vagana (SAMOAN)
4. Shannon Hegarty
5. Paul Mellor
6. Jeremy Smith (SAMOAN)
7. Joe Williams
8. Peter Cusack (c)
9. Daniel Irvine
10. Roy Asotasi (SAMOAN)
11. David Kidwell (c) (MAORI)
12. David Fa'alogo (SAMOAN)
13. John Sutton (FIJIAN)
14. Shane Rigon
15. Dean Widders
16. Luke Stuart
17. Scott Geddes
18. Manase Manuokafoa (SAMOAN/TONGAN)


Parramatta Eels

1. Luke BURT
2. Jarryd HAYNE (FIJIAN)
3. Ben SMITH
4. Timana TAHU (MAORI)
5. Joel REDDY
6. Brett FINCH
7. Tim SMITH
8. Nathan CAYLESS © (MAORI)
9. Mark RIDDELL
10. Aaron CANNINGS (COOK ISLANDER)
11. Ian HINDMARSH
12. Chad ROBINSON
13. Daniel WAGON
14. PJ MARSH
15. Josh CORDOBA
16. Todd LOWRIE
17. Justin TSOULOS


Gold Coast Titans

1. Preston Campbell
2. Lelea Paea (TONGAN)
3. Mat Rogers
4. Jake Webster (MAORI)
5. Matthew Petersen
6. Matthew Hilder
7. Scott Prince
8. Luke Bailey
9. Clint Amos
10. Kris Kahler
11. Anthony Laffranchi
12. Gavin Cooper
13. Luke Swain
14. Josh Graham
15. Michael Henderson
16. Mark Minichiello
17. Nathan Friend
18. James Stosic (MAORI)


Cronulla Sharks

1. Brett Kearney
2. Fraser Anderson (TONGAN)
3. Ben Pomeroy
4. Josh Hannay
5. Luke Covell (EURONZ)
6. Adam Dykes
7. Brett Kimmorley
8. Ben Ross
9. Kevin Kingston
10. Luke Douglas
11. Reece Williams(EURONZ)
12. Lance Thompson
13. Greg Bird
14. Craig Stapleton
15. Jacob Selmes
16. Cameron Ciraldo
17. Isaac De Gois
19. Dustin Cooper

 

[RABK]

18. Jesse Royal is a Kiwi.

 

[Johns Magic]

And I'm fairly sure Dan Tolar is a full-blooded Samoan

 

[ByRd]

mannering???

 

[nadera78]

Keith Lulia at the dragons is a Cook Islander not Samoan. Just for reference.

 

[girvie]

Great list Fobsta

A couple of additions/corrections

Newcastle
Jesse Royal – Maori

Penrith
Joel Clinton – EuroNZ heritage

Canterbury
Daryl Millard – Fijian

Wests Tigers
Dene Halatau – Niue
Paul Whatuira – Maori/Cook Islands

Canberra
Glen Turner – EuroNZ

Melbourne
Antonio Kaufusi – Tonga
Ryan Shortland is Kiwi heritage. Not 100% sure if he is part Maori or Islander or just EuroNZ.

Warriors
Simon Mannering - EuroNZ
Nathan Fien - EuroNZ

Brisbane
Greg Eastwood – Maori
Petero Civoniceva – Fijian
Tonie Carroll – Maori. Not 100% sure.

South Sydney
David Kidwell – Maori
Manase Manuokafoa – Tonga
Jeremy Smith - Maori

Cronulla
Reece Williams – EuroNZ. Not 100% sure.

 

[fobsta]

Team of "players with Pacific Island/NZ/Maori heritage", 25yrs old or younger


1. Karmichael Hunt (SAMOAN/COOK ISLANDER)
2. Manu Vatuvei (TONGAN)
3. Iosia Soliola (SAMOAN)
4. Wes Naiqama (FIJIAN)
5. Jarrod Hayne (FIJIAN)
6. Benji Marshall (MAORI)
7. Johnathon Thurston (MAORI) (C)
8. Roy Asotasi (SAMOAN)
9. Terence Seu Seu (SAMOAN)
10. Anthony Tupou (TONGAN)
11. Frank Pritchard (SAMOAN)
12. Sonny-Bill Williams (SAMOAN)
13. John Sutton (FIJIAN)

14. Ashton Sims (FIJIAN)
15. Mickey Paea (TONGAN)
16. Reni Maitua (SAMOAN)
17. Jerome Ropati (SAMOAN)

 

[The Riddler]

Going by Pacific Island or Maori heritage, full or part -

A lot have an Islander/Maori parent and a european parent eg. Kite, Mason, Maitua. Williams, Webb, Thurston, Sims etc.

Correct where you think I'm wrong.



St George Illawarra

1. Josh MORRIS
2. Luke MACDOUGALL
3. Keith LULIA (COOK ISLANDER)
4. Matt COOPER
5. Wes NAIQAMA (FIJIAN)
6. Richard WILLIAMS
7. Ben HORNBY (c)
8. Dan HUNT
9. Simon WOOLFORD
10. Jason RYLES (c)
11. Ashton SIMS (FIJIAN)
12. Beau SCOTT
13. Ben CREAGH
14. Adam PEEK
15. Danny WICKS
16. Corey PAYNE
17. Tony CAINE


Newcastle Knights

1. Kurt Gidley
2. James McManus
3. George Carmont (SAMOAN)
4. Brad Tighe
5. Adam MacDougall
6. Daniel Abraham
7. Jarrod Mullen
8. Josh Perry
9. Terence Seu Seu (SAMOAN)
10. Adam Woolnough
11. Steve Simpson (C)
12. Clint Newton
13. Kirk Reynoldson
14. Todd Polglase
15. Cory Paterson
16. Matthew White
17. Daniel Tolar
18. Jesse Royal(MAORI)
19. Riley Brown
20. Akuila Uate (FIJIAN)
21. Kade Snowden


Penrith Panthers

1. Rhys Wesser
2. Luke Rooney
3. Luke Lewis
4. Michael Gordon
5. Michael Jennings (SAMOAN)
6. Peter Wallace
7. Craig Gower (c)
8. Frank Puletua (SAMOAN)
9. Luke Priddis
10. Joel Clinton(EURONZ)
11. Frank Pritchard (SAMOAN)
12. Tony Puletua (SAMOAN)
13. Trent Waterhouse
14. Junior Moors (SAMOAN)
15. Nathan Smith
16. Paul Aiton
17. Matthew Cross
18. Brendan Worth


Bulldogs

1. Luke Patten
2. Hazem El Masri
3. Daryl Millard (FIJIAN)
4. Willie Tonga (TONGAN)
5. Matt Utai (SAMOAN)
6. Daniel Holdsworth
7. Ben Roberts (SAMOAN)
8. Mark O'Meley
9. Adam Perry
10. Willie Mason (TONGAN)
11. Andrw Ryan (C)
12. Reni Maitua (SAMOAN)
13. Sonny-Bill Williams (SAMOAN)
14. Dallas McIlwain
15. Chris Armit
16. Kane Cleal
17. Jarrad Hickey


Wests Tigers

1 Brett Hodgson ©
2 Taniela Tuiaki (TONGAN)
3 Dean Collis
4 Paul Whatuira (MAORI/COOK ISLANDER)
5 Jason Moodie
6 Benji Marshall (MAORI)
7 John Morris
8 Keith Galloway
9 Robbie Farah
10 Bryce Gibbs
11 Ben Galea
12 Todd Payten
13 Dene Halatau (NIUEAN)
14 Liam Fulton
15 Daniel Fitzhenry
16 Chris Heighington
17 Bronson Harrison (MAORI)
18 Danny Galea


Manly Sea Eagles

1. Brett Stewart
2. Michael Robertson
3. Steve Bell
4. Steve Matai (SAMOAN)
5. Chris Hicks
6. Jamie Lyon
7. Matt Orford (c)
8. Jason King
9. Michael Monaghan
10. Brent Kite (TONGAN)
11. Anthony Watmough
12. Glenn Stewart
13. Luke Williamson
14. Clint Halden
15. Matt Ballin
16. George Rose
17. Mark Bryant
18. Glenn Hall


Canberra Raiders

1. Marshall Chalk
2. Colin Best
3. Phil Graham
4. David Howell
5. Adrian Purtell
6. Todd Carney
7. Michael Dobson
8. Scott Logan
9. Lincoln Withers
10. Dane Tilse
11. Glen Turner(EURONZ)
12. Ben Jones
13. Alan Tongue (C)
14. Andrew Dunemann
15. Joe Picker
16. Josh Miller
17. Alan Rothery
18. William Zillman


Melbourne Storm

1. Billy Slater
2. Matt Geyer
3. Matt King
4. Anthony Quinn
5. Israel Folau (TONGAN)
6. Greg Inglis
7. Cooper Cronk
8. Antonio Kaufusi(TONGAN)
9. Cameron Smith
10. Brett White
11. Jeremy Smith (SAMOAN/MAORI)
12. Ryan Hoffman
13. Dallas Johnson
14. Michael Crocker
15. Garret Crossman
16. Jeff Lima (SAMOAN)
17. James Aubusson
18. Ben Cross
19. Ryan Shortland(EURONZ)
20. Sam Tagataese (SAMOAN/TONGAN)


North Queensland Cowboys

1. Matt Bowen
2. Brenton Bowen
3. Ashley Graham
4. Paul Bowman
5. Neil Sweeney
6. Jason Smith
7. Johnathan Thurston ©(MAORI)
8. Matthew Scott
9. Aaron Payne (vc)
10. Carl Webb (MAORI)
11. Steve Southern
12. Luke O'Donnell
13. Justin Smith
14. Rod Jensen
15. Jacob Lillyman
16. Sione Faumuina (SAMOAN)
17. Shane Tronc


Sydney Roosters

1. Anthony Minichello
2. Shaun Kenny-Dowall (EURONZ)
3. Joel Monaghan
4. Sia Soliola (SAMOAN)
5. Sam Perrett (SAMOAN/MAORI)
6. Mitchell Aubusson
7. Josh Lewis
8. Chris Beattie
9. Craig Wing
10. Danny Nutley
11. Anthony Tupou (TONGAN)
12. Craig Fitzbiggon ©
13. Braith Anasta
14. Charles Tonga (TONGAN)
15. Nate Myles
16. Mickey Paea (TONGAN)
17. Lopini Paea (TONGAN)


Warriors

1. WADE McKINNON
2. MICHAEL CROCKETT
3. TONY MARTIN
4. LANCE HOHAIA (MAORI)
5. MANU VATUVEI (TONGAN)
6. MICHAEL WITT
7. GRANT ROVELLI
8. RUBEN WIKI (V-C) (SAMOAN/MAORI)
9. GEORGE GATIS
10. STEVE PRICE (C)
11. SIMON MANNERING (EURONZ)
12. LOGAN SWANN (SAMOAN)
13. MICHEAL LUCK
14. NATHAN FIEN
15. EVARN TUIMAVAVE (SAMOAN)
16. EPALAHAME LAUAKI (TONGAN)
17. SAM RAPIRA (MAORI)
18. JEROME ROPATI (SAMOAN)


Brisbane Broncos

1. Justin Hodges
2. Steve Michaels
3. Brent Tate
4. Joel Moon
5. Darius Boyd
6. Shane Perry
7. Karmichael Hunt (COOK ISLANDER/SAMOAN)
8. Dane Carlaw
9. Shaun Berrigan
10. Petero Civoniceva (c) (FIJIAN)
11. Sam Thaiday
12. Brad Thorn (EURONZ)
13. Tonie Carroll (EURONZ)
14. Nick Kenny
15. Ben Hannant
16. Greg Eastwood (MAORI)
17. John Te Reo (MAORI)
[/b]

South Sydney Rabbitohs

1. David Peachey
2. Nathan Merritt
3. Nigel Vagana (SAMOAN)
4. Shannon Hegarty
5. Paul Mellor
6. Jeremy Smith (SAMOAN)
7. Joe Williams
8. Peter Cusack (c)
9. Daniel Irvine
10. Roy Asotasi (SAMOAN)
11. David Kidwell (c) (MAORI)
12. David Fa'alogo (SAMOAN)
13. John Sutton (FIJIAN)
14. Shane Rigon
15. Dean Widders
16. Luke Stuart
17. Scott Geddes
18. Manase Manuokafoa (SAMOAN/TONGAN)


Parramatta Eels

1. Luke BURT
2. Jarryd HAYNE (FIJIAN)
3. Ben SMITH
4. Timana TAHU (MAORI)
5. Joel REDDY
6. Brett FINCH
7. Tim SMITH
8. Nathan CAYLESS © (MAORI)
9. Mark RIDDELL
10. Aaron CANNINGS (COOK ISLANDER)
11. Ian HINDMARSH
12. Chad ROBINSON
13. Daniel WAGON
14. PJ MARSH
15. Josh CORDOBA
16. Todd LOWRIE
17. Justin TSOULOS


Gold Coast Titans

1. Preston Campbell
2. Lelea Paea (TONGAN)
3. Mat Rogers
4. Jake Webster (MAORI)
5. Matthew Petersen
6. Matthew Hilder
7. Scott Prince
8. Luke Bailey
9. Clint Amos
10. Kris Kahler
11. Anthony Laffranchi
12. Gavin Cooper
13. Luke Swain
14. Josh Graham
15. Michael Henderson
16. Mark Minichiello
17. Nathan Friend
18. James Stosic (MAORI)


Cronulla Sharks

1. Brett Kearney
2. Fraser Anderson (TONGAN)
3. Ben Pomeroy
4. Josh Hannay
5. Luke Covell (EURONZ)
6. Adam Dykes
7. Brett Kimmorley
8. Ben Ross
9. Kevin Kingston
10. Luke Douglas
11. Reece Williams(EURONZ)
12. Lance Thompson
13. Greg Bird
14. Craig Stapleton
15. Jacob Selmes
16. Cameron Ciraldo
17. Isaac De Gois
19. Dustin Cooper

Is'nt Paul Aiton an Islander aswell?

 

[ozbash]

Team of "players with Pacific Island/NZ/Maori heritage", 25yrs old or younger


1. Karmichael Hunt (SAMOAN/COOK ISLANDER)
2. Manu Vatuvei (TONGAN)
3. Iosia Soliola (SAMOAN)
4. Wes Naiqama (FIJIAN)
5. Jarrod Hayne (FIJIAN)
6. Benji Marshall (MAORI)
7. Johnathon Thurston (MAORI) (C)
8. Roy Asotasi (SAMOAN)
9. Terence Seu Seu (SAMOAN)
10. Anthony Tupou (TONGAN)
11. Frank Pritchard (SAMOAN)
12. Sonny-Bill Williams (SAMOAN)
13. John Sutton (FIJIAN)

14. Ashton Sims (FIJIAN)
15. Mickey Paea (TONGAN)
16. Reni Maitua (SAMOAN)
17. Jerome Ropati (SAMOAN)

thats a pretty good team.

good work fobsta.

 

[fobsta]

Is'nt Paul Aiton an Islander aswell?

PNG I'm pretty sure