Kemble's at a loss over big defeat

[Mixmasterreece]

true forgot Smith.

I have no problems with Pritchard, he's talented, but he made a few silly mistakes on sunday trying to push the issue. At least he was trying....

 

[doogiehowser_md]

Hohaia, Mannering, Whats, Halatau! no one wants to dust it up with the poms! Asotasi has been playing good but dont know whether hes the right type of leader the kiwis need! Doesnt talk enough. Jeremy Smith(little jezza) has the mouth but cant make the starting 13. SBW has the skill like Asotasi but is too quiet in speaking. Benji would be quite good as a captain but needs to make it to the field first so the most logical choice I think as captain should be Kidwell or Nathan Cayless.

 

[Dr Crane]

i would love to see a planeload of JK's land at heathrow tonight and say "here we are, wheres these bloody poms ? "

Absof**kinglutely

 

[Skinner]

Hohaia, Mannering, Whats, Halatau! no one wants to dust it up with the poms! Asotasi has been playing good but dont know whether hes the right type of leader the kiwis need! Doesnt talk enough. Jeremy Smith(little jezza) has the mouth but cant make the starting 13. SBW has the skill like Asotasi but is too quiet in speaking. Benji would be quite good as a captain but needs to make it to the field first so the most logical choice I think as captain should be Kidwell or Nathan Cayless.

No way to Kidwell......he's a loose unit.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

Future Kiwis captain = Eddie Paea

 

[Skinner]

Future Kiwis captain = Eddie Paea

That's a few years away yet mate, but I agree it will happen.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

A frank admission from under pressure Kiwis coach Gary Kemble.

Kemble has only been in charge of the Kiwis for three matches but admits he is considering quitting if the team is whitewashed three-nil by Great Britain.

They will need a massive form reversal after the 44-0 hiding last weekend which handed the Lions their first series win in 14 years.

Kemble said he will not make any rash decisions but resigning has been on his mind.

"Of course I'm thinking about it but at the moment I'm working hard to turn this around," he said.

"The players, coaching staff and management staff are a closer unit now and we have to turn it around this week.

"When you're coaching, it's results that count and I'm responsible for those results.

"I'm a passionate Kiwi and everybody after the game new how I felt about it. If they didn't now then, they never will."

Kemble indicated changes were looming after the rampant British exposed limitations in several of the New Zealand players.

"We know now - after the last two test matches really - that there are players out there who aren't up to international standard."

"I'd like to replace maybe about four or five but you have to have players to replace them with."

The cold truth will be onpassed in a series of coach-player one-on-one sessions tomorrow.

"If they're not up to international level, we have to tell them why and they have to go away and improve to get up to that level."

He couldn't explain the flat performance of his players after the coaches had worked 12 hours a day to ensure they would step up following the tight 14-20 first test loss at Huddersfield.

"We did everything we thought was right last week, it didn't change much from the week before when we had a bit of a go," he said.

"Before they ran out, everything was intense, there was urgency there. Then all of a sudden you get a prop (British captain Jamie Peacock) run through about three blokes in the first 60 seconds and you think `well, nothing's right'."

Rookie fullback Sam Perrett had been a revelation but otherwise Kemble was disappointed with the apparent lack of passion of his players.

Addressing the urgency factor would be an important part of this week's buildup.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I got my Foxtel suspended 3 weeks ago (usually cut it off during summer)..... can't say I'm regretting it.

 

[Micistm]

:lol: :lol:

The Kiwis must at least come close to the British in the third test this weekend and beat France the weekend after for coach Gary Kemble to keep his job.


New Zealand must come within a handful of points of the home side at Wigan on Sunday, as another big defeat would be "unacceptable" and could lead to Kemble's sacking as coach.
Sources said that Kemble's excusing of the 44-0 second test result by pointing to the players who have missed this northern hemisphere tour and will be available for the World Cup did not go down well.
One said: "Those players are not 44 points worse than the British".
But the NZRL chairman Andrew Chalmers played a straight bat, while hinting that Kemble's role will be debated when they return home from tour.
Chalmers said: "As I said before, his position is safe and as we indicated previously, we will obviously do a thorough review at the end of the tour."
He said a review of all staff was a standard feature of every away trip, but added: "I think it is important, especially building up to the World Cup, that the review is thorough."
Chalmers could not reveal who would conduct the review or when. He again pointed to Kemble's contract, which runs until the end of the World Cup, and said: "We need to give the coaching staff and management the fullest amount of support throughout this tour.
"It is important to avoid emotional over-reactions to difficult results. We need calm, clear rational thinking."
In Kemble's favour is the apparent atmosphere of team unity despite the humiliating result, but going against him is a feeling he has still to "win over" the dressing room.
Kemble is expected to make substantial changes today to his squad for the third test, after another disappointing performance from some key players.
The Kiwis are shifting to Manchester from Leeds to be closer to Manchester Airport, from where they fly early Monday morning for France for their tour-ending fixture, a game which has become unusually significant as Kemble's future becomes cloudier.
Skipper Roy Asotasi will be in Leeds today, as he features at the official launch of next year's World Cup.
The International Federation was meeting last night and understood to be on the agenda were final World Cup plans and the expansion of the Tri-Nations into a four nations, beginning with a tournament in the northern hemisphere in 2009 and one in the southern in 2010. One issue for debate is whether to include France and the Pacific Cup champion on alternate years, or whether to have an annual play-off between the Pacific and European champions for the fourth spot.

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Lol.chalmers organising a review huh? Will that be before or after the 'grannygate' review he's promised:lol:

 

[Iafeta]

If I were to look at names.... there seems to have been a fair few who've tried, perhaps on D though they're switching off and not working as a team more so than blokes not having a dig... I'd look at some of the comments though some have made, like Fuifui and Taniela Tuiaki's will they won't they debacle before the Australian test, and Andrew Chalmers distractions as more culpable than a uniform team disspirit. Some blokes you'd argue should have been motivated to play for their careers, such as Lance Hohaia.

 

[mean]

The whole team team gets tarnished! Who played like their life depended on it?

 

[mean_maori_mean]

No way to Kidwell......he's a loose unit.

no way - he might appear to be loose unit - but already he demands the respect of all his players on the field and perhaps even more important of the field.

He leads by both example and his people skills.

Also he is full of passion for the black jersey - part of the problem kemble has identified. Also be older he is worried about being one of the boys etc. They look up to him.

Ask any of the players their opinion of kidwell im sure they will concur.

As long as he performs next year I see him as possible co-captain - at least an option which needs to be looked at.

 

[mean_maori_mean]

The main point I think we should take out of this is Kembles suggestion there are a number of players who have undermined his position.

Those who have taken up a bad attitude to the new coaching team and towards playing for their country.

As to their are a number of players who are not up to international standard - as for Lance hohaia, halatau, whatuira etc - Well why were they picked - they have been ordinary all year cant put any blame on them - what did selectors/coach expect??

Some of the names mentioned also ammuse me - most notably Mannering and Rapira - whilst they might not neccasirly be first choice players?

They have both the right attitude,desire and passion - shown by mannering in the last test and Rapira the whole season.

Jeremy Smith - was one of the best in the first test.

As for everybodies referral to the J.K's - it is equally a joke that players like Iosefa are likely to be handed a kiwi jersey - considering all he is a jersey flegg player.
And why? Is he the next best option? no It is because they wont to prevent him from changing alliegance in the future

 

[Mixmasterreece]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4264131a1823.html

Kiwis captain Roy Asotasi held a crisis meeting with his players yesterday before approaching team management to explain what had gone wrong in the 44-0 second rugby league test hammering by Great Britain.

Asotasi called the unscheduled meeting to demand his team-mates come up with answers as to why they had succumbed in such abject fashion, before taking them to see coach Gary Kemble and his staff.

The under-pressure Kemble – who says he accepts the Kiwis must be competitive in the third test and beat France the following weekend for him to retain his job – said those answers essentially boiled down to attitude.

But neither he nor the players could understand why that had been lacking.

"We just can't fathom it," he said. "We are lost for words, we can't understand it."

Kemble said the meeting had been initiated by Asotasi, not management.

"He (Asotasi) has had four bad test losses (as captain) and he is not happy about it and he has to address that and his way of doing things as well.

"We are working together: there are no factions, Roy is backing me, the core players are backing me and the coaching staff are.

"We are doing all we can and at the moment it is not working, so we just have to work harder."

The team had not apologised for their performance and did not need to.

"We don't need to apologise to each other, we need to work through it together and make sure we work harder to win a test match ... they are still a tight-knit group and they are still disciplined, still learning, and learning heaps from this experience.

"They are used to being in club teams winning week-in, week-out, then losing a couple and getting the chance to rectify it – but they are learning they have only one chance at it and they have got to put their hands up every game."

Kemble said he had reviewed the video of the game and admitted "we just didn't turn up for some reason", being most disappointed by a second half where he admitted the Kiwis "wilted" and "crumbled".

He is now expected to make changes to the team, although he said they would "not be wholesale".

Both halfbacks are expected to be dropped after what the coach called a performance "lacking in direction", although in Thomas Leuluai's case, he may not be fit as he is carrying a thigh strain.

He will wait on Leuluai, Tame Tupou and Epalahame Lauaki's fitness before making a decision.

Asked if any players had emerged with credit from the game, Kemble nominated fullback Sam Perrett and skipper Asotasi. "The pack let us down, Roy is the only one standing up at the moment," he said

 

[ozbash]

It shouldnt rest on roy's shoulders. he isnt the coach or the selectors.

he shouldnt have to recognise players not pulling their weight, theres other people paid a lot of money to do that.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

It shouldnt rest on roy's shoulders. he isnt the coach or the selectors.

he shouldnt have to recognise players not pulling their weight, theres other people paid a lot of money to do that.

What would Wiki do?

He'd a call a f**king meeting alright

 

[Skinner]

What would Wiki do?

He'd a call a f**king meeting alright

There wouldn't be anyone left standing to have a meeting with, sunshine.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

There wouldn't be anyone left standing to have a meeting with, sunshine.

ok then sugar.

 

[Skinner]

ok then sugar.

Sorry, only Equal for me these days.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

Sorry, only Equal for me these days.

ok then 'faux sugar' or 'fairy sweetener' - which Pseudonym do you prefer?


I knew you werent man enough for sugar and the Aspartame running through your withered old veins explain your irrational outbursts.