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Kiwis cant not get done!!!!

carlnz

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/fien-offers-to-fall-on-sword-to-save-kiwis/2006/10/31/1162278141876.html?page=2

Because then the clubs have cheated by not realesing players for the tests matches!!!

If the NZRL get done for this whole Nathen Fien crap (which they should!) then they better police these four rules next year!

Section 4 of the RLIF constitution, headed "Availability for International Rugby League", states that "a player who has been selected to play a senior international match approved as such by the board:

■ Must be made available by his club for all such matches;

■ Shall not play for his club or any other team in the period of five days before;

■ Shall not withdraw from a match without the approval of the [country] which has selected him; and,

■ In the event of withdrawing after selection shall not be permitted to play for his club … in the period commencing five days prior to and ending five days after such a match he has been selected."

NATHAN Fien is prepared to stand down from the rest of the Tri-Nations in what is almost certain to prove a futile bid to save New Zealand from being stripped of competition points.

But the Kiwis may use the "Grannygate" scandal to argue for the international constitution to be enforced to ensure clubs release their players for Test duty.

NZRL lawyers will outline legal arguments for why Fien is eligible to play for the Kiwis even though it was his great-grandmother that was born in New Zealand - not his grandmother - in written submissions to be forwarded to the International Federation executive by 3pm today.

But Kiwis officials will also concede there had been a misunderstanding over Fien's New Zealand heritage when he made himself available for selection and insist neither they nor the former Queensland Origin hooker set out to deceive, but made a simple error.

It is understood the possibility that the birth certificate Fien presented as his "Nan's" may have really been that of his Wanganui-born great-grandmother first emerged last week in the lead-up to New Zealand's Test against Great Britain in Christchurch.

Until then, NZRL officials and coach Brian McClennan had believed it was his grandmother and forwarded a copy to the ARL after naming him to make his Test debut in Melbourne the week before. The Kiwis accept that Fien had never differentiated between his grandmother and great-grandmother and reported yesterday that the 27-year-old Warriors hooker, who has a New Zealand-born daughter, was devastated by the prospect he might have cost the team its points and has offered to stand down.

A decision on whether New Zealand has breached section 3.1(B) of the RLIF constitution that says "a player is eligible to play for the country in which either of his parents or any of his grandparents was born" will be made tomorrow, with the Kiwis expected to be docked two points and Fien suspended from the New Zealand team until next year when he qualifies on residency grounds.

But the NZRL maintains the international eligibility regulations were not drafted tightly enough to mean only grandparentage, not great-grandparentage.

"We just want it clarified," NZRL chairman Selwyn Bennett told the Herald last night. "When you look at the international constitution it is very unclear about player eligibility and we believe the whole thing needs cleaning up. But we never set out to deceive anyone, it's just an innocent mistake.

"Nathan referred to her as his Nan and he told us that he knew her. After we found out, I referred to her as his great-grandmother in a TV interview last Sunday. I had nothing to hide. After reading the constitution, I didn't think it made any difference anyway." With NRL clubs refusing all but a few requests to release players for July's Test against Great Britain in England, Kiwis officials have been well versed in the wording of the RLIF constitution and have been looking for an opportunity to raise issues of player availability and neutral referees.

Few Super League-based players were available for this season's Anzac Test and McClennan was unable to use prop Jason Cayless and utility Motu Tony in the opening two matches of the Tri-Nations tournament.

Section 4 of the RLIF constitution, headed "Availability for International Rugby League", states that "a player who has been selected to play a senior international match approved as such by the board:

■ Must be made available by his club for all such matches;

■ Shall not play for his club or any other team in the period of five days before;

■ Shall not withdraw from a match without the approval of the [country] which has selected him; and,

■ In the event of withdrawing after selection shall not be permitted to play for his club … in the period commencing five days prior to and ending five days after such a match he has been selected."

Bennett said: "They're pulling one section of the constitution on us for one thing and yet you go to the next section and that isn't being enforced."
 

ozbash

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its dead right but the NZRL are a bit bloody late showing any spine in enforcing it. The SBW "urgent surgury" determined by club AND kangaroo doctor, hugh the hazzard immediately springs to mind.

its time the big 3 sat down, threw the old rules into an incinerator and wrote an entire new rule book.

Sel is stuck in a corner at the moment and trying to fight his way out,, trouble is, he cant fight for sh*t.
 
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Agreed. I'm sick and tired of these scumbag Pommy clubs ruling our players out. The aussie clubs are only slightly better.

As for eligibilty they need to make it black and white.
Set it so a player can only possibly be eligible for one nation.
 

The Colonel

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douglasallen91 said:
fuifui moimoi sticks out, for the northern hemisphere test this year.

Given the finals tight rope that the Eels were treading at that time, regardless of how many matches he was likely to miss, it was a risk not really worth taking. He did get suspended but I wouldn't have been very impressed if he was released for some Mickey Mouse game mid season and was injured as I know a lot of other fans wouldn't have been either. He has now made himself available for Tonga anyways so no real issue. They could have picked him for New Zealand A if they really wanted him.

End of season is a completely different issue. Clubs shouldn't force players to miss these games.....
 

Fairleigh Good!

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Bobby DIGital said:
Agreed. I'm sick and tired of these scumbag Pommy clubs ruling our players out. The aussie clubs are only slightly better.

As for eligibilty they need to make it black and white.
Set it so a player can only possibly be eligible for one nation.

Scumbag pommies? Is openly racist communication allowed on this forum?

Anyway, the easiest way to solve this grannygate issue is to fine New Zealand a lot of money and hand the points over to GB.

In future when a player is registered to an NRL, Superleague or Bartercard team, part of their registration should be the provision of proof of eligibility for the nations they are eligible for, plus a declaration of which side they would prefer to represent. Players with dual eligibility can then be contacted by the national coaches and asked to play for them and its then up to the player to call it. Once they agree to play for one nation, thats it, case closed.
 

Frank_Grimes

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I would love to see the international sides have more power to utilise the big players. The international fixtures are never going to fully eclipse the spectacle and competition of SOO and big NRL matches if they can't feature those big players who make SOO and NRL so great. If a player is fit to play and selected, he plays. Simple. If RLIF and ARL want to promote and grow the international game they need to prioritise it over NRL clubs.
 

Frank_Grimes

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And from the horses mouth:

Fairleigh Good! said:
Sure Australia is a beautiful place, but it is let down somewhat by its people.

Sounds pretty racist to me. Please try not to trip over your hypocrisy on your way out.
 

JoeD

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Mickey Mouse game mid season
Great attitude to international footy. . .Maybe the reason it was a mickey mouse game is because the clubs wouldn't release their players?
 

Pierced Soul

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kiwi's just need to admit they f**ked up and get on with it without crying like girls. if they were serious about this whole issue they would have stood fien down STRAIGHT away after finding out this info instead of whinging about everyone else
 

thatsold

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JoeD said:
Great attitude to international footy. . .Maybe the reason it was a mickey mouse game is because the clubs wouldn't release their players?

I agree to some extent with that.

In terms of club vs country I really think it should be up to the players who they want to play for and when. Generic rules like the player must play for their country no matter what might be ok normally, but during the finals it just wouldnt work. The players alone should make the decisions based on which games are more important to them.
 

The Colonel

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JoeD said:
Great attitude to international footy. . .Maybe the reason it was a mickey mouse game is because the clubs wouldn't release their players?

Besides the fact it was an 'A' side to prepare for the Tri-Nations, it was hardly the fault of clubs that nobody could decide whether it was a Test match or not. If it was a true international game then all the internationals would have been selected as opposed to reserve graders and players on the fringes of selection. Great attitude to international football? Maybe the Kiwis could pick their attitude up to start with and then maybe such games would be taken a lot more seriously, particularly in the middle of the season.
 

JoeD

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If it was a true international game
do you honestly think this would have made any difference?

Speaking of mickey mouse non international games, imagine the uproar if the Warriors refused to release Steve Price for SOO?
 

The Colonel

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JoeD said:
do you honestly think this would have made any difference?

Speaking of mickey mouse non international games, imagine the uproar if the Warriors refused to release Steve Price for SOO?

It would have made more of a difference if he was selected in a full strength side. Given that he wasn't selected for the Kiwi Tri-Nations side anyway and is now off playing for Tonga it makes a bit of a mockery of his selection in the first place.

Not sure who would whinge more, Qld or the Kiwis. There would be an uproar when Price was stood down for the club game anyway.
 

Micistm

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Qld & Kiwis insulted in the one post?! Must be a NSWer huh? That's why I cheer on Qld in the SOO...we're in the same boat of being judged in a Kangaroo Court
 

hutch

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ozbash said:
its time the big 3 sat down, threw the old rules into an incinerator and wrote an entire new rule book.

i agree, we need an overhaul! they should be pro-active with this to make sure it doesnt happen again. i think they should also take input from other nations such as france. we cant ignore the minor nations.
 

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