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Kiwis coach Michael Maguire: Tonga clash can be New Zealand's State of Origin

kiwileaguefan

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/leagu...nga-clash-can-be-new-zealands-state-of-origin

Kiwis coach Michael Maguire has already set his sights on next year's grudge match against Tonga after wrapping up his first season in charge of the national side.

The Kodi Nikorima-inspired Kiwis ended 2018 in impressive fashion on Sunday (Monday NZ time), thumping England 34-0 in Leeds to avoid a 3-0 whitewash.

Despite losing the series, Maguire is confident he has the Kiwis headed in the right direction and has the chance to continue their development against Tonga next June when they attempt to avenge last year's World Cup upset.

Inspired by Jason Taumalolo's shock defection from New Zealand of the eve of that tournament, Tonga have emerged as a genuine force on the international scene.

Last month they backed up their semifinal appearance at the World Cup with a solid showing against the Kangaroos at a sold out Mt Smart Stadium.

And with as many as eight former Kiwis in that squad, Maguire believes the match has the potential to become New Zealand's own version of State of Origin.

"It's definitely got an opportunity to do that, I'd like to see that," Maguire said.

"It's obviously going to be played on that standalone weekend, so what a weekend of rugby league that's going to be. Culturally, the things you can do around those games.... I think it's going to be a spectacular weekend."

After two close losses in the first two tests against England, Sunday's performance was the response Maguire was hoping for.

He admitted there was a sense of what could have been in the dressing room after the match but says his young squad will only continue to grow the longer they are together.

"[England] showed what test match footy is all about and I think our boys took that forward into this game and realised what you need to do. Every play counts in a test match and that's how you build pressure," Maguire said.

"I've got a belief in this group. In the relationships that they've gained over the last five weeks there's a real strong bond between this team and I think it's very exciting for New Zealand Rugby League moving forward.

Tasked with rebuilding the side after last year's World Cup failure, Maguire finished the season with a 2-3 record.

All three losses came against England, starting with the controversial Denver test which has since been scrapped, while the highlight was undoubtedly last month's stunning win over Australia in Auckland.

That result snapped a three-year drought against the Kangaroos but the fact that they were unable to follow that up with a rare series win in the UK showed there is still plenty of work ahead.

But Maguire says the squad has put the building blocks in place to create a culture others want to be part of.

"The players themselves have got to realise that this jersey is special jersey and taking this forward, you're very lucky to be a part of it," the coach added.

"All the players back home wanting to be a part of this jersey is something this group has started and they're building in a big way."

The victory was led by Nikorima, who produced a masterclass in the No 7 jersey, scoring a try and setting up three others.

It was the 24-year-old's finest performance in a black and white jersey and Maguire believes he is poised to take the next step in his career.

"He's really improved. I remember catching up with Kodi six months ago and having a coffee with him and I was really impressed then," Maguire said.

"I've felt as he's growing, and knowing him over the last six weeks, I think he's going to be a strong leader if he keeps progressing the way he's going."

Three test in NZ would be amazing and would bring a much need injection to the game in the country...will be interesting to see how far this new rivalry goes...
 

Matua

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How long is it realistically going to last as a competitive match? The Tongans only need to get tonked a couple of times and the stench of last year is already wearing off for the Kiwis.

The Tongans have got a good team at the moment, but their halves depth is worse than ours. Once Taumalolo and Fifita retire then I don't think the Tongan wave will continue.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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How long is it realistically going to last as a competitive match? The Tongans only need to get tonked a couple of times and the stench of last year is already wearing off for the Kiwis.

The Tongans have got a good team at the moment, but their halves depth is worse than ours. Once Taumalolo and Fifita retire then I don't think the Tongan wave will continue.

Maybe if the Tongans start to get a bunch of games every year, players will start picking them over the Aussies/Kiwis as JT and Fafita did.

Exactly don't kill the golden goose, keep it to a minimum to keep the public hungry for it.

F*ck that, this is the opposite of what we should do...

Build it quickly while there is life in this Tongan team!!!!
 

magpie_man

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The Tongans have got a good team at the moment, but their halves depth is worse than ours. Once Taumalolo and Fifita retire then I don't think the Tongan wave will continue.

I disagree. The sheer number of Tongan diaspora throughout Australia and New Zealand who take up Rugby League means that they will have a significant player pool to draw from based on heritage.
The only real hurdle is making a Tongan jersey more desirable than a NSW/Qld/Aus/NZ one for these players. Regular fixtures, stoking the rivalry with NZ, and better match payments will go a long way to helping with this.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Well if it's meant to be anything "of Origin" then Tonga won't have a team.

The Samoan diaspora in NZ/Aus is significantly larger than the Tongan diaspora. We are literally coming up with all of these "plans" based on the fact that a handful of top current Kiwi and Aussie players have Tongan heritage and defected. There is no long term logic in focusing on Tonga.
 

Hawkins

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Maybe if the Tongans start to get a bunch of games every year, players will start picking them over the Aussies/Kiwis as JT and Fafita did.

What is this PR spin bullshit. The blues didn't want Fafita this year he got his mum to tweet that NSW would be honored to have him in game 1 and 3 but he was busy for game 2.

His day is past.
 

Matua

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i feel for the other PI teams. what about them?
Yeah, what if Marty Taupau decides to defect to Samoa next year and takes Isaako, Papali'i, Liu and Maumalo with him and then Josh Macguire and Josh Papali'i defect from Oz, and then Valentine Holmes, Esarn Masters, Joseph Manu and Jordan Rapana defect to the Cooks.

We'll be having so many origins. And the Kiwis will have to start getting Oz defectors to be able to field a team.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Well if it's meant to be anything "of Origin" then Tonga won't have a team.

The Samoan diaspora in NZ/Aus is significantly larger than the Tongan diaspora. We are literally coming up with all of these "plans" based on the fact that a handful of top current Kiwi and Aussie players have Tongan heritage and defected. There is no long term logic in focusing on Tonga.

Pfft, how many Maroons Origin players are ACTUALLY from QLD?

If a 3 game series is quickly put together, i see 3 likely outcomes:

At BEST, the game inspires enough Tongan heritage players to pick the team (a successful yearly series will mean decent match payments too, which wont hurt attracting players.)

At WORST, it dies after a few years and all we achieve is to show the smaller nations that there is hope and to prove that the Big 3 can be beaten. (Still a pretty great outcome)

Most likely though is something in between. NZ win most years and Tonga slowly build a strong system. But I really dont think the contest needs to be perfectly even to be successful. QLD have won 11 of the past 13 Origin comps and the game has never been bigger. We just need Tonga to have hope each year and the game would be huge...
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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i feel for the other PI teams. what about them?

I think they would benefit in the long term too...

If an NZ-Tonga series series was successful, it would show that Pacific nations can be viable as regular opponents. If the Kangaroos have priced themselves out of the market with the huge player payments, there are other Aussie rep teams that could step up.

PMs13 v PNG is a perfect example of this. We dont always need to go with the Kangaroos...
 

Matua

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I think they would benefit in the long term too...

If an NZ-Tonga series series was successful, it would show that Pacific nations can be viable as regular opponents. If the Kangaroos have priced themselves out of the market with the huge player payments, there are other Aussie rep teams that could step up.

PMs13 v PNG is a perfect example of this. We dont always need to go with the Kangaroos...
The Pacific nations being viable means gutting NZ which will just leave Oz and Eng at the top of the tree by themselves.

It makes little sense for the NZRL to build up the PI teams at the expense of themselves.
 

taste2taste

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The Pacific nations being viable means gutting NZ which will just leave Oz and Eng at the top of the tree by themselves.

It makes little sense for the NZRL to build up the PI teams at the expense of themselves.

So the kiwis should become like the All Blacks and basically be a PI all star team ? leaving Tonga, Fiji, Samoa totally irrelevant.
I think its a great point of difference between us and union that we have competitive pacific island teams.
Besides, the kiwis just showed they are competitive without their Tongan players, easily beating Australia and England in game 3.
 

Matua

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So the kiwis should become like the All Blacks and basically be a PI all star team ? leaving Tonga, Fiji, Samoa totally irrelevant.
I think its a great point of difference between us and union that we have competitive pacific island teams.
Besides, the kiwis just showed they are competitive without their Tongan players, easily beating Australia and England in game 3.
Jesus, there's so much wrong in this post. The PIs we're talking about are NZers - are you suggesting players of PI heritage aren't NZers? It doesn't matter if they're PIs, Maori, Pakeha, Asian, they're all NZers.

At any rate, there's only two Tongans that would walk into the Kiwis at the moment in JT and Fusitua, and then Taukeiaho would be in with a good shot. For the PIs to be consistently competitive they have pick up NZers and Australians regularly, Australia have the depth to lose players consistently, NZ probably doesn't.

Also, odd week to take a shot at the ABs when there were only 4 players of PI heritage in the starting lineup (including Ioane who's also Maori and SBW who's also Pakeha).
 

Mr Angry

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Well I am not sure how you sell it, but can all the little Islands come together to play the bigger Islands of NZ. Polynesia or Something.

Then play the even bigger Island of Australia, then the small Island of Britannia?
 

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